It was you banned from IRC back in august for that same stuff you say here. I have never run heavy on free beers not even back in may when i started. So that shows you how stupid you are

you may have thought about joining imperfects but none of us thought about you. There are about 1000 players in dust we would take before you. then we would accept you to just kick you for a laugh

Again you just want to attack people when your lame arguements fail. Lets look at them

1. real military blah blah blah
2. QQ
3. You aren't good
4. grow a pair
5. your inbread blah blah blah
6. your corp blah blah blah

I have come to the conclusion that you are a nade spammer and you are trying to defend your only way to get kills. Any match i have played I have never remember coming across your name when I look at the top players at the end of the match. Thats pretty telling

The other way to fix it would be to take out the nade button and make it an equipment selection button where you can select between nades and other equipment you have

It was an issue when chromosome came out, only difference then was that people were used to using flux and av nades and kept it at that. Once the wipe came around everyone had nothing but militia locus and now we have this grenade spam bs.

yes, i agree with this, they did it to the nova knives and now it needs done to grenades. i'm not saying it'll be fun to use 'nades anymore but this is a simple solution to fix spamming them as they currently are.

New grenades are horrible. Horrible horrible horrible.

Interesting, you don't remember my name but you can recall me getting banned from the IRC...

Tell you what, hit up Nova Knife and ask him if I got banned. He'll tell you otherwise because -it wasn't Aeon Amadi-.

Argument isn't even over the grenades anymore, yet somehow I'm the troll, lol. Gorgeous. Peace out.

I use nade, alot. Logibro Need a way to put the PH33R in your pants :p And it is my way to win when I have my hand full of nanite injector, repair tool, nano hive etc.

I know that you don't like to be kill by Nadepooper. But nade them first and you will win without shooting a bullet.

I play skirmish all the time much faster sp gain that way. I was refering to the fact i never see you at the top of the leader boards at the end of the match.

why dont you log into the the irc dust channel then if you weren't banned? it was you that just argued with everyone and called them names when they didn't agree with your wild and lame ideals of what game play should be.

the reason this turned to you being a troll is because you bring no valid arguement to the discussion and right away turn to attacks instead of making points. Worst part is you are a bad troll.

Honestly, you need to just go play board games or something because dust common sense isn't your friend

If one would look at reall life. (allthough i'm not a soldier.) if i knew i was about to die and i wanted to make sure my enemy died with me, i would toss a grenade. And no offence but grenades kill. you can't expect a game, that is trying to copy possible life(future life) examples and say well sorry, but if someone tossed a grenade at me, i would walk away from it as if i was hit by a baseball. yes we have armor and shields in the game. So all it means is you have a chance of surviving, the bullet or explosive, just like a modern day explosives suit or kevlar. all it does is give you a chance, but it does not mean for surtain, cause you could still die, and these mechanics apply to the game aswell.

So saying nerf this or nerf that is just another way of saying, mister could you please nerf that nuke or m16 rifle its hurting me.

game play > real life. CCP isn't and should be focused on anything real life because there are very few things in dust that are remotely real life.

laser rifle?
forge gun?
rail gun snipers?
flux nades?
nanhives?
injectors?
shields?
armor repping?
clones?
implants?

I could go on but you get my point right. That vast majority of stuff in dust isn't real in todays world. Saying nades should be like they are in real life when everything else isn't does make it a valid arguement.

Wrong Aeon dude. Never was banned from the IRC and the last time I got on the IRC was, pssh, August/September.

But nah, pretty sure that was you last build - the name looks dreadfully familiar. I had a real argument, you're just too carebear to recognize what it was. I'll spell it out for you.

You're terrible at combat and it can't possibly be you so it must be (by your logic) the game-play itself.

Same ****, different person, different day.

Edit: Also, I thought about joining Imperfects - but the sheer amount of that corporation's members bitching about -something- on the forums has detracted that completely. Seriously, any thread that's currently going on usually has someone from Imperfects in there whining about it. Starting to think it must be the inbred genetics.

FURTHER EDIT: Sleepy Zan (rest his soul for me pointing it out) actually raises a good point, this wasn't an issue when Chromosome first came out - only when the reset occurred. Thereby, you're just complaining because you're now on par with everyone else and, well, grenades are effective.

Cheers.

As soon as t3h ++ber 1337 p14y3r5 get their proto gear back the complaining will stop. At that point, when they kill a new player or someone running BPOs with a militia grenade, it will be declared skill an the taunts of "get good" will be over abundant. Seriously, a ton of mechanics are being abused/exploited. It's been fun to see with the reset that the stratification of the playerbase's skill isn't as drastic as it first appeared when I joined. Methinks self overestimation of ability is rampant and the culprit for the incredulity of virtual mortality that's been on display since the tenth.

This is terrible >_< All they need is their timer back, nothing else.

Uncharted
Killzone
Medal of Honor
BF3

All games with decent nade mechanics that act a little more than instawin buttons

Sorry to break it to everyone but nades in this game are junk and ppl dont want to admit it because an IMP suggested it. For all the ppl who say they want BALANCE and not BIAS have a funny way of showing it. Fact is most people here see an IMP comment and automatically assume QQ, talk about bias.

I mean the bias is so bad against them that i didnt think much of them until i actually took the time to read some of their posts and talk to them in game.

Fact is Free Beers makes a good point and ppl can't remove their bias against IMP post to see it.

Nades either need a throwback feature, a longer fuse timer, the removal of quick toss, made into a selectable equipment that can be either selected through the wheel or by 2 presses of R2 to switch to primary then secondary then nade(though this would have a huge advantage for mouse users since the scroll wheel can make this change much faster DS3 users can).


Now to me i think nade spam must be reduced with either a reduction in damage/radius of the militia variant or a longer timer. Personally i think the longer timer is the proper solution because without it the M1 locus will be beast, the M1 locus is in fact real beast mainly because of the timer(the damage level for it is fine and warranted).

I have noticed allot more people using grenades. Frankly tho I don't have a problem with it. From the jist of this post and well frankly every post I've seen posted by an imperfects member this build has been "if it's capable of killing an imperfects member it's too effective and needs to be nerfed". I'm not talking **** here, this is just an observation. I might actually agree with you on this if it weren't for the fact that I played just about every other fps on console and PC there is. If you think the grenades are bad in this game i'd hate to see you play any build of Counter-Strike or even any fps that requires a bit more skill than this one, if ya did I'm sure you wouldn't be playing it for long.

I would go as far as to say that you have a valid point, and all the points imperfects members have brought up are valid if it weren't for the fact that just before reset you guys used every one of the things you now complain about to your advantage. I mean before reset you guys were known to rock militia gear every now and then and just own because ya spec'd your skills intelligently and ya were known to use team work of just one squad to take out just about any tank or vehicle with little more than militia gear. Also your top players were/are known for their grenade skills, heck I remember one time MR. Zitro describing his game-play style was one that utilized grenades. So now that people are learning from your corps example and doing many of the things you guys have done to you, you start complaining and saying things need to be nerfed. I don't see a problem with balance, and I don't see a problem with grenades. What I do see tho is you guys increasingly becoming victims of your own success as the community increasingly learns what it is you do and then does it themselves to you.

Lastly you Mr. Free Beers are the LLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASt person that should be complaining about the way grenades are now. That is because I remember a specific conversation between you and others in IRC while wolfman was present and talking about how he had just jerry-rigged grenades before he could go in and do a complete revamp later. That later revamp being mostly what we have now. In that conversation and later conversation it was YOUR and others present direct feedback that shaped the way grenades are now.

Maybe you should dicuss my OP based upon the merits instead of your inherent bias towards the Imperfects. I was very specific in what i was concerned about and am open to hearing all side. If you believe the is no issues with this, then state that and support your arguement. Sadly, I dont see any support for your assertion that either way. Instead there is simply a lecture about imperfects. its true we are abrasive trolls but that doesn't discount our opinions or points regardless how much hatred one has for us.

That truth of the matter if we test every weapon and every fit over and over. We even keep track of each builds statistical data to watch how ccp moves things. We are even test everything in practices to determine actual range of weapons, where fall off begings, and true radius damage of nades and MD. I am personally running 5 alts this build to test everything I can. if you didn't notice either I stated I die because of me and NOT gear this is the same mentality that Imperfects have. We believe you can't nerf skill regardless of how hard ccp is trying too.

I doubt any other corp has been as thurogh as we have in this matter. When changes were made to the nades last build we had 10 weeks of sp and it wasn't an issue and hardly noticed especially me since I didn't play much after new build. It's quite obvious with the skill point reset that nades have added value and that the nade spamming has become prolific because of effectiveness. If you can't discuss theat then plesae just troll and leave the lectures as no one gives a fk its the internet and we aren't going to change for it.

also I have no idea what you are talking about refering to grenade conversation in irc. I like everyone else stay logged in 24/7 but never remember a nade discussion. Sadly I have missed many important conversation simply because they occur at 2 am my time.

The truth is most imperfects enjoy trolling and giving other people a hard time on the forums because too many ppl take our posts (or the game in general) wayyyy to seriously.

One of these days people will realize that we imperfects troll ourselves too...both on the forums and in game. Infact I think the QQing would be much much worse if we trolled ppl here as much as we troll eachother.

Not being there at 2AM is not a valid excuse beers. You are supposed to stay up every night and participate in any and all meaningful conversations. We dont need your kind in our corp if your not going to take your responsibilities seriously.

I am curious Fiend. What do you think is wrong with the switch mechanic rather than a panic nade button?

No grenades for heavies, and severely limited fitting options for everyone else?