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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2013.01.14 18:20:00 -
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Grenades? Powerful weapons that KILL?
Man, I'd imagine every US Marine must be shaking their head at how unrealistic that is.
Seriously though, they're grenades and they're supposed to kill. Don't nerf them, they're useful for a reason - this is war after all.
Also, save your complaining for when they implement Smart Bombs, which description says that it goes off whenever the user dies. |
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Posted - 2013.01.14 18:41:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Grenades? Powerful weapons that KILL?
Man, I'd imagine every US Marine must be shaking their head at how unrealistic that is.
Seriously though, they're grenades and they're supposed to kill. Don't nerf them, they're useful for a reason - this is war after all.
Also, save your complaining for when they implement Smart Bombs, which description says that it goes off whenever the user dies. This is game play and game play trumps any and all real world bull**** so please take that sorry ass **** reasoning somewhere else. This game has to support the GUN FIGHTS = GOOD FIGHTS idea. If not there will be no aurum items being used when everything 1 shots people. Players will always gravitate towards weapons/vehicles that give them the best opportunity to succeed for their individual skill level. Hence why spamming nades is the cool kid in school now. Also you want nade tatics ill give you nade tatics. step 1 hide in area of elevation or with cover from direct gun fire step 2 drop nano hive step 3 throw nades randomly step 4 gtfo out if here with your real world military **** no one cares
Boo hoo someone found a way to punch through your Heavy's armor. Cry some more, I say. Grenades are not nearly as prevalent of an issue as you make them out to be - hell I'll take my chances with the grenades over the snipers and their "snap back" reticles that return to the position they were in when they were fired.
You're seriously bitching about people using something that works - and what's even more silly is that because it works you want them to be nerfed. This is an endless cycle that is going to persist for a ******* eternity because GOD FOR ******* BID YOU EVER DIED AMIRIGHT?
Quit your bitching and grow a pair.
Edit: Wait a second - aren't you one of the guys that uses his Militia Heavy and an LAV as a fast transport device to negate the heavy's speed in the first place? Why are you even bitching about grenades then with that cheap ass tactic? |
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Posted - 2013.01.14 18:53:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:
I dont have a heavy toon this build as I run assault and logi, but my all means continue to attack a fictious me you made up to try to destract from the fact that you have no real argurement. Wait, wasn't that the same reason you were banned from IRC dust channel because of stupid random arguements that ended with you attacking everyone. Yeah same old Aeon
Wrong Aeon dude. Never was banned from the IRC and the last time I got on the IRC was, pssh, August/September.
But nah, pretty sure that was you last build - the name looks dreadfully familiar. I had a real argument, you're just too carebear to recognize what it was. I'll spell it out for you.
You're terrible at combat and it can't possibly be you so it must be (by your logic) the game-play itself.
Same ****, different person, different day.
Edit: Also, I thought about joining Imperfects - but the sheer amount of that corporation's members bitching about -something- on the forums has detracted that completely. Seriously, any thread that's currently going on usually has someone from Imperfects in there whining about it. Starting to think it must be the inbred genetics.
FURTHER EDIT: Sleepy Zan (rest his soul for me pointing it out) actually raises a good point, this wasn't an issue when Chromosome first came out - only when the reset occurred. Thereby, you're just complaining because you're now on par with everyone else and, well, grenades are effective.
Cheers. |
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Posted - 2013.01.14 19:04:00 -
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-Shakes head- Next it'll be the Plasma Cannon's dumb fire mechanics, same as the early Swarm Launcher.... |
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Posted - 2013.01.14 19:11:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Free Beers wrote:
I dont have a heavy toon this build as I run assault and logi, but my all means continue to attack a fictious me you made up to try to destract from the fact that you have no real argurement. Wait, wasn't that the same reason you were banned from IRC dust channel because of stupid random arguements that ended with you attacking everyone. Yeah same old Aeon
Wrong Aeon dude. Never was banned from the IRC and the last time I got on the IRC was, pssh, August/September. But nah, pretty sure that was you last build - the name looks dreadfully familiar. I had a real argument, you're just too carebear to recognize what it was. I'll spell it out for you. You're terrible at combat and it can't possibly be you so it must be (by your logic) the game-play itself. Same ****, different person, different day. Edit: Also, I thought about joining Imperfects - but the sheer amount of that corporation's members bitching about -something- on the forums has detracted that completely. Seriously, any thread that's currently going on usually has someone from Imperfects in there whining about it. Starting to think it must be the inbred genetics. FURTHER EDIT: Sleepy Zan (rest his soul for me pointing it out) actually raises a good point, this wasn't an issue when Chromosome first came out - only when the reset occurred. Thereby, you're just complaining because you're now on par with everyone else and, well, grenades are effective. Cheers. It was you banned from IRC back in august for that same stuff you say here. I have never run heavy on free beers not even back in may when i started. So that shows you how stupid you are you may have thought about joining imperfects but none of us thought about you. There are about 1000 players in dust we would take before you. then we would accept you to just kick you for a laugh Again you just want to attack people when your lame arguements fail. Lets look at them 1. real military blah blah blah 2. QQ 3. You aren't good 4. grow a pair 5. your inbread blah blah blah 6. your corp blah blah blah I have come to the conclusion that you are a nade spammer and you are trying to defend your only way to get kills. Any match i have played I have never remember coming across your name when I look at the top players at the end of the match. Thats pretty telling
Interesting, you don't remember my name but you can recall me getting banned from the IRC...
Tell you what, hit up Nova Knife and ask him if I got banned. He'll tell you otherwise because -it wasn't Aeon Amadi-.
Argument isn't even over the grenades anymore, yet somehow I'm the troll, lol. Gorgeous. Peace out. |
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Posted - 2013.01.14 19:12:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote: Sleepy Zan (rest his soul for me pointing it out) actually raises a good point, this wasn't an issue when Chromosome first came out - only when the reset occurred. Thereby, you're just complaining because you're now on par with everyone else and, well, grenades are effective. It was an issue when chromosome came out, only difference then was that people were used to using flux and av nades and kept it at that. Once the wipe came around everyone had nothing but militia locus and now we have this grenade spam bs. 
Maybe it's in Ambush then, I never play Ambush. Never really have an issue with the grenades and can't recall any time when I've honestly had a prevalent issue with them. |
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Posted - 2013.01.14 19:30:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Free Beers wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Free Beers wrote:
I dont have a heavy toon this build as I run assault and logi, but my all means continue to attack a fictious me you made up to try to destract from the fact that you have no real argurement. Wait, wasn't that the same reason you were banned from IRC dust channel because of stupid random arguements that ended with you attacking everyone. Yeah same old Aeon
Wrong Aeon dude. Never was banned from the IRC and the last time I got on the IRC was, pssh, August/September. But nah, pretty sure that was you last build - the name looks dreadfully familiar. I had a real argument, you're just too carebear to recognize what it was. I'll spell it out for you. You're terrible at combat and it can't possibly be you so it must be (by your logic) the game-play itself. Same ****, different person, different day. Edit: Also, I thought about joining Imperfects - but the sheer amount of that corporation's members bitching about -something- on the forums has detracted that completely. Seriously, any thread that's currently going on usually has someone from Imperfects in there whining about it. Starting to think it must be the inbred genetics. FURTHER EDIT: Sleepy Zan (rest his soul for me pointing it out) actually raises a good point, this wasn't an issue when Chromosome first came out - only when the reset occurred. Thereby, you're just complaining because you're now on par with everyone else and, well, grenades are effective. Cheers. It was you banned from IRC back in august for that same stuff you say here. I have never run heavy on free beers not even back in may when i started. So that shows you how stupid you are you may have thought about joining imperfects but none of us thought about you. There are about 1000 players in dust we would take before you. then we would accept you to just kick you for a laugh Again you just want to attack people when your lame arguements fail. Lets look at them 1. real military blah blah blah 2. QQ 3. You aren't good 4. grow a pair 5. your inbread blah blah blah 6. your corp blah blah blah I have come to the conclusion that you are a nade spammer and you are trying to defend your only way to get kills. Any match i have played I have never remember coming across your name when I look at the top players at the end of the match. Thats pretty telling Interesting, you don't remember my name but you can recall me getting banned from the IRC... Tell you what, hit up Nova Knife and ask him if I got banned. He'll tell you otherwise because -it wasn't Aeon Amadi-. Argument isn't even over the grenades anymore, yet somehow I'm the troll, lol. Gorgeous. Peace out. I play skirmish all the time much faster sp gain that way. I was refering to the fact i never see you at the top of the leader boards at the end of the match. why dont you log into the the irc dust channel then if you weren't banned? it was you that just argued with everyone and called them names when they didn't agree with your wild and lame ideals of what game play should be. the reason this turned to you being a troll is because you bring no valid arguement to the discussion and right away turn to attacks instead of making points. Worst part is you are a bad troll. Honestly, you need to just go play board games or something because dust common sense isn't your friend
On Coldfront right now bub. Can't get into the IRC currently because the registered NickServ expires after 30 days if it's not used. So, if you're done with your inquisition - let's get back to the lame argument on Grenades please. |
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Posted - 2013.01.14 19:34:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:DAMIOS82 wrote:If one would look at reall life. (allthough i'm not a soldier.) if i knew i was about to die and i wanted to make sure my enemy died with me, i would toss a grenade. And no offence but grenades kill. you can't expect a game, that is trying to copy possible life(future life) examples and say well sorry, but if someone tossed a grenade at me, i would walk away from it as if i was hit by a baseball. yes we have armor and shields in the game. So all it means is you have a chance of surviving, the bullet or explosive, just like a modern day explosives suit or kevlar. all it does is give you a chance, but it does not mean for surtain, cause you could still die, and these mechanics apply to the game aswell.
So saying nerf this or nerf that is just another way of saying, mister could you please nerf that nuke or m16 rifle its hurting me. game play > real life. CCP isn't and should be focused on anything real life because there are very few things in dust that are remotely real life. laser rifle? forge gun? rail gun snipers? flux nades? nanhives? injectors? shields? armor repping? clones? implants? I could go on but you get my point right. That vast majority of stuff in dust isn't real in todays world. Saying nades should be like they are in real life when everything else isn't does make it a valid arguement.
Right, they'd be even more powerful - like the Multispectral Grenades that are actually apart of the Eve Online Universe which can be modified based on the user's needs... |
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Posted - 2013.01.14 20:52:00 -
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Buzzin Fr0g wrote:As soon as t3h ++ber 1337 p14y3r5 get their proto gear back the complaining will stop. At that point, when they kill a new player or someone running BPOs with a militia grenade, it will be declared skill an the taunts of "get good" will be over abundant. Seriously, a ton of mechanics are being abused/exploited. It's been fun to see with the reset that the stratification of the playerbase's skill isn't as drastic as it first appeared when I joined. Methinks self overestimation of ability is rampant and the culprit for the incredulity of virtual mortality that's been on display since the tenth.
Just give it a little while. If enough people from the same corporation continuously complain - and nerfs given by that respect - then it'll be like the CCP/Goonswarm conspiracies and they'll eventually have to slow down and anticipate what they nerf before hand.
You don't take a hammer to something, you take a scalpel to it. The Dust 514 devs have yet to learn that and eventually it's going to hit them like a brick when there's another Jita Riot because the game is going down a bad path.
Edit: I say don't touch anything until right before the next build comes out. Give this reset some time to settle, but lord knows no-one wants to do that they want instant gratification. Which is exactly what the Eve Players fear - a thousand cries of sorrow about a game that is supposed to be dark, brutal and overall not-user-friendly. |
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Posted - 2013.01.14 21:26:00 -
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Just an observation, but I noticed that there's sort of a sheep herd mentality going on here.. One person says "Bias" and now it's all the rage.
People bring up valid points. That point may disagree with yours but that is hardly grounds to consider it as "bias" against an entire entity. |
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Posted - 2013.01.14 22:10:00 -
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Kreayshawn Coruscanti wrote:Where is the justification for a 2 second timer? It was unwarranted and takes away from gameplay.
Justification stims from all of the defense toward the 'Cavity' Thukker Grenade way back in the day when we were all crying out nerf - which they nerfed the **** out of (and rightfully so). However, now that there is a two second 'bounce' timer, a lot of the people who were defending the 'Cavity' are suddenly turning the tides on this new grenade system.
I honestly do not care either way. A grenade is a grenade. Should the damage be nerfed? No. Should the timer be nerfed? Maybe. I'm just irked because no-one can seem to make up their minds on anything and the first thing they do whenever something seems amiss (aka, it killed them more than once in a game) they automatically cry foul.
Cohesion and consistency is all this game is lacking.
Edit: That and the only reason anyone says -anything- about the game mechanics in Dust 514 is that the developers listen to the most vocal majority. Grenade spam in Battlefield 2 was insane (see Strike at Karkand) but no-one said anything because that's just the way things had always been. |
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Posted - 2013.01.15 04:04:00 -
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The issue here is that you're calling for a nerf to begin with. It doesn't matter how or why, the fact that you're saying "nerf this" or "this is OP" is what causes CCP to take knee-jerk drastic measures.
FEEDBACK.
You need to post up in the FEEDBACK forums and simply say that you dislike it, not say "This has to be changed because of this this this and that". It doesn't -have- to be changed and being so vocal about it (as your entire corporation seems to have been doing on the General Discussion ffs) is what causes ALL of the Grenades to suddenly become useless.
Then it's the endless threads about how and why Grenades are terrible and only do 50 damage with a 30 second timer.
Eventually, three months down the line they become at least partially useful again (as is the case with the Heavy Machine Gun) when things have finally calmed down.
You're not stating opinions, your demanding changes and then ask for justification when someone disagrees with you.
This is terrible and you should feel terrible. |
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