This is a awesome thread...
We needed this kind of discussion... I think PvE will atract more people than PvP because BF3, CoD, etc... already have a lot of stuff on the PvP side ... but almost none on the PvE....

FUTURE INTEGRATION

Taking this Colony to the next step we can now bring things more towards the Dust 514 side. As you may benefit from certain Dust FW Loyalty points (such as specialists, building enhancements, and other things of that nature) to create the colonies initially, you may also want to consider the mechanic of maintaining control and order in Eve Colonies. The idea is simple: While small, the colony can protect itself from the environment and hostile events as they can be relatively undetectable, however as it expands and becomes more productive it must deal with impairments such as radiation leaks or Drone infestations...This, while this is something that can possibly be on a timer and or random for Eve Players, it is something that could be solved in a 5-8 minute PVE match if they contract out some Dust players to clean up the problem for a small fee. Simple. Not crucial or crippling, just convenient. Of course, PVP content will always be there, but for growth outside of warfare, you need order and Dusters can make that easy.

The next step of course would be that if these random events (good or bad) become bothersome, why not just allow Dust corps to set up operations in your colonies? Build them a barracks that they can jump to and improve themselves and allow them to build infrastructure and defenses in your region. While the barracks or command center is operational, the effects of the events are reduced and the Dust corp in return gets a nice fee and or just the constant option to do missions (be nice to allow for a contract and terms). Thus everyone is happily producing and missioning away.

well CCP is "mad" and i say "mad" in a good way so you never know with over 1000+ planets in eve the possibilities are endless

Now this is something I can endorse.

Players should be able to operate colonies without the need for Dust mercs at all, but can see major benefits from working with the Dust mercs such as increased yield from extractor units, better CPU/PG output for the command center, or better results from remote sensing. In the meantime, Dust mercs shouldn't have to need an Eve player to live in a colony of their own. They should choose to build their own but would recognize the benefits of having a Capsuleer-driven colony such as less rogue drone infestations, access to greater and more lucrative contracts, etc. That way, Eve and Dust can still remain independent but still have an impact if they choose to work together.

Shhhh Don't tell them we are housing Jovians

Glad to see people are as optimistic about DUST Pve as i am, i honestly see a huge amount of potential in DUST Pve as it is something that goes down a storm in other games most popular having to be Zombies in cod, Dust could have a version of this in the form of a malfunctioning Clone facility that has wiped out a small colony or a district, these would likly be faction missions that have you travel to said district and secure the Clone factory to stop the zombies(in complete clones) attacking other near by colonies or Districts,

Another thing could be during faction warfare when capturing a planet if the planet is a built up one then as well as the main PVP battles there could be offensive PVE battles to make capturing the planet easier maybe like disabling orbital guns, or disabling defense grids, capturing artillery bases to provide artillery support to the main battle, maybe helping the people rebel against the current controlling faction which would lower the hostile influence over the planet and make it easier to capture, maybe taking out hostile barracks or bases would reduce the presence of hostile AI on main battles perhaps and thats just offencive missions there are dozens of possible defencive possibilities like OP stated

Basically as stated before the possibilities are endless

Way, way, way way way more then 1,000 planets.


http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Planet

7000+ I believe it was...?

I would like there to be multiple PVE modes, a horde style game mode would be a good addition to the ps3 there can be Rogue drones, sansha slaves, and maybe some other types of enemies.

this is in addition to any other mission or other stuff planed, but a horde mode could by great

"The Black Phantom Mercenary xxXSpAcEpRoNgXxx has invaded"

or maybe

"The mercenary corp BLACK PHANTOMS has invaded"

Hell, if at least some PvE was structured like Demon's Souls, Dark Souls where you could hire escorts to help you and also be randomly invaded by mercs trying to kill you that would be awesome beyond belief.

This was in another thread but will post it here to. SInce it applies.




I see not reason not to mix PvP and PvE to varying degrees.

There could be PvE with no PvP allowed.

PvE with some PvP allowed.

And PvE with little or no restrictions on PvP.

I think the same sort of structure exists in EVE, where you can still interact with other players even while fighting against the NPC and AI controlled enemies.

This was in another thread but will post it here to. SInce it applies.




I see not reason not to mix PvP and PvE to varying degrees.

There could be PvE with no PvP allowed.

PvE with some PvP allowed.

And PvE with little or no restrictions on PvP.

I think the same sort of structure exists in EVE, where you can still interact with other players even while fighting against the NPC and AI controlled enemies.

That is 7200 Temperate planets. The ones that we are currently fighting on, supposedly.

Overall count is 67253 if all planet types are counted for in all areas of space.

It seems like there could be some interesting lore associated with the conflict between drones, capsuleers, mercs, and NPC empires. So i'm hoping that alignment, LP, has some role to play in PvE and PvP. The 514 Chronicle suggest that perhaps slaughtering Drones may be a little inhumane to some people. Perhaps an alignment system would create some greater sense of investment and immersion for mercs if they choose to participate.

TLDR; let players subscribe to GÇÿbusiness plansGÇÖ which automatically set preferences for match types, faction contractors and faction loyalties. Each plan gives special objective, alignment and skill bonuses to reward certain gaming preferences.

Maybe players could sort of 'tailor' the way the game searches for battles for them so that they could be more likely to fight for one faction than another. The interesting thing could be that alignment or extra bonuses could come from a little bit different things depending on who's alignment you are looking for. There could be a handful of 'presets' for the way you want the game to seed you for battle (along with influencing other things). You could only change the preset or GÇÿBusiness PlanGÇÖ once per week (1st login in after downtime). Then the greater your alignment with a faction the more isk you could make. Matchmaking preferences for squads would be aggregated, but rewards bonuses would be individual. Assuming that a battle option could be cooperative pve, here is a couple of example 'Business Plans' of what I'm thinking...

....So your alignment would slowly increase for whichever factions you are working most for. With some of these plans some of your alignments would go negative with enemy factions while others would go positive. Your alignment would then correspond to your isk gain at the end of each match. A +10 alignment would be +50% more isk than normal, while a -10 would be -50% normal yield. Pairing up with a squad with likeminded GÇÿBusiness PlansGÇÖ would increase your chances of getting the same preferred matches, and therefore better ROI and faster alignment increase, which means more isk. Additionally, corporate alignment would be aggregated and correspond to payouts during faction warfare outcomes. The greater your alignment to a faction the more it would pay out if you win for it. This would make it so those corps selling out to the highest bidder wouldnGÇÖt be as well off as those who have focused on serving a particular faction.

Additionally, this could be a mechanic that rewards the DUST mercsGÇÖ loyalty to FW underdogs as their loyalty may be in high demand as their systems would be under greater threat. Therefore, you could have a corp encouraging all of its members to select GÇÿAmarr VictorGÇÖ as their business plan to increase its loyalty to a faction and get better payouts during FW.

I was under the impression that we could fight on barren, ice, storm and aquatic worlds as well.

That's fine, as long as there are plenty of pure PvP opportunities. Lot of FPS players detest PvE in all its forms, me included.

"I'm sure I need not remind you that the Empire's own Templar program was the first ever successful implementation of this technology," continued Sarum. "All the mistakes you're making, we've already made. All the lessons you're learning, we've already learned. Perhaps the most significant of these lessons is that the Sleepers do in fact pose a threat, and that threat is far greater than we had presumed."

The three men exchanged guarded glances.

"Tell me," said Sarum, looking at each of them in turn as she spoke. "Your recruits for this new breed of soldier. How have they been behaving, post-implant? Any instances of mental instability? Sudden forceful dissociative symptoms? Healthy young men speaking in tongues, thrashing their heads about hard enough to break their own necks?"

Roden and Heth were stone-faced; Shakor crossed his arms, his expression grim.

"Those implants carry the fragmented consciousness of the Sleepers within them," said Sarum. "In some of them, the Sleeper presence is so strong that it can overwhelm the implant's host."



This just screams PvE

So , We could also make FW interesting with PvE, for example fighting against Empyrean armies!
Imagine the caldari mobilizing for war, they would assemble in a matter of hours 3-4 million troops, And us mercenaries would be payed to hold the lines until Gallente forces can lay waste to the Caldari fury.
Or for example a contract by the Amarr empire to destroy a garrison full of minmatar troops, Or to explode a power generator to allow the main fighting force to take an important planet.

I love the possibilities of working together with my friends against the AI...

32 man co-op. Example: A battle ship is crashed/landed/hovering on a map and you got 5 drop ships full of mercs flying around landing on top trying to capture/destroy or protecting a Notics while it salvages it.

I'm kinda sad that CCP isn't taking priority on the drones war...
Well Let's hope they change their mind or bring the drones soon without the (tm)

Great job with bringing all these posts together. I've gone through 4 so far but plan to read them all. Would have most likely never seen them if not for this thread.

I'm really hoping that capsuleers will be able to contract out small merc squads for "dungeon crawls" in Sleeper Drone infestations. Something like four mercs with eight backup clones having to either clear out the facility of hostiles or fight their way to whatever tech macguffin and hold the position for a set amount of time. If they're successful, the contracting EVE player gets a juicy BPO or whatnot.

When is Horde Mode coming?

I had this crazy dream during the replication build when heavies were remotely durable that I was driving an lav around when suddenly a XXXL sized heavy is standing on a building, covered in dark brown armor (think sansha nation ships) that took considerable firepower to take down, including a dropship when missiles made them into gun ships.

I'd like to think of guys like this as like a npc area boss that has to be killed to progress or finish the mission. Coupled with the fact that it takes teamwork or heavy solo firepower to take down would make this a great addition to some PVE missions.

That's one awesome dream X)

Honestly I think they would be another great way to build up some teamwork away from PvP for a change. On top of that, it might also get newer players into the feel of "I need this fitting to win this mission" and start to work within the framework of a small squad "dungeoning" around together. You go out with some guys you met in corp, do some missions, get some fun new items and go play some PvP together to get enough SP to use them...already got a nice little addiction cycle ^^

And of course Sansha Horde mode...Aww man, just the ability to get Dust and Eve on the same team here is too easy to pass up...I mean, we evacuate citizens and hold off massive swarms of the zombies...if they get too crazy or overun us (or just want to see some bodies fly) we call in hell from the skies.

Hell, we could even be a precursor to boarding ships if we had to clean out infestations in space...and of course, making the Sansha Mothership a combination of Dust and Eve players boarding and disabling the ship's shields or what have you...

It would be the **** son

Repair Drones!!

I still want to have a "Dronemaster" suit like the Necromancer in Diablo 2 :D

Someone mentioned in a dream or something, but what about bosses ? How would be possible to implement them in a game such as DUST 514

~ The 3 that come to mind are:

Sansha Incursions: Sansha Invasions would probably be the zenith of Dust 514 PVE as they affect entire regions and would require lots of good fighting. Something like fighting the Borg or zombies, more intelligent and armed. Missions could be all out fighting, defensive, or even simply evacuating colonists. This would also extend to the "0.0 Colonies as well" as an invasion would also mean destruction of a lot of hard-earned work.

Rogue Drones: Much tamer, but probably initially easier to do. Could be anything from a cleanup to a horror mission where you need to fight the elements in space or on land and would be able to loot the drones. This also could work in both High-Sec and Null-Sec.

Sleepers: The ultimate exploration mission (and possible ability to work with Capsuleers in Eve), this would involve something of a space adventure through an ancient structure existing in sub-space with strange and deadly robotic creatures crawling through the ruins. I'd imagine something like a Necron (read all the lore) and even more specifically the Necron wraiths. Pretty horrific and fun :D

Sansha might be cool if they are implemented as a Mercenary mission in Highsec during Incursion periods. Save the populace sort of thing by meeting them at their drop zone(DZ) and eliminating them. Horde mode?

Rogue Drones are infestations. Could be clearing labs/research facilities or abandoned industrial facilities. That sort of thing.

Sleepers would have to be Wormhole specific. Maybe a Mercenary contract where you are brought through a wormhole to a Sleeper facility and need to recover some artifacts. Automated defenses and dangerous environments would be the elements you would have to overcome.

More like specialized supply depots, think starhawk

Never played...is it more complex than it sounds?

Isnt eve already a place to play this sort of thing? Dont get me wrong whatever floats your boat floats your boat but realistically they need every man on deck for years to come to actually realize thefps they have and have stated their making. This is verymuch a work-continuously-in-progress that Im guessing will not, unfortunatly or not, include most of the clearly but hopefully ideas stated.

The games premis is to attact players and media/people to eve. Eve verymuchso attracts the pve players already and would be silly to attract potential monthly subscribers to Dust (even as a seguay to eve). Dust, being a fps, seems to be targetting the attention of fps players, which eve dosnt. The best agrument for PvE in eve would seem to be making converts of FPS players--which seems less effective then getting them HOE'd(Hooked on enhancers).

It may run againt their goals, and may be unfeasible--or it may not. FFT.

PvE is what would keep me in Dust514.
I hope its added as per the coop pve drone atttack trailer. And I hope it's added soon
Some people would rather play Borderlands than CoD. Although I like PvP, personally I like coop PvE with my friends more.
If they have the mix of PvP and PvE Dust514 could be a fantastic game that would suck in all FPS lovers.
Please add it to the Open Beta CCP *begs* lol :)

Isnt eve already a place to play this sort of thing? Dont get me wrong whatever floats your boat floats your boat but realistically they need every man on deck for years to come to actually realize thefps they have and have stated their making. This is verymuch a work-continuously-in-progress that Im guessing will not, unfortunatly or not, include most of the clearly but hopefully ideas stated.

The games premis is to attact players and media/people to eve. Eve verymuchso attracts the pve players already and would be silly to attract potential monthly subscribers to Dust (even as a seguay to eve). Dust, being a fps, seems to be targetting the attention of fps players, which eve dosnt. The best agrument for PvE in eve would seem to be making converts of FPS players--which seems less effective then getting them HOE'd(Hooked on enhancers).

It may run againt their goals, and may be unfeasible--or it may not. FFT.

PVE idea - Throw in an additional alien gig. It doesn't have to be legit aliens, just a biological mishap (some freak mutant lizard that was supposed to be a fluffier bunny) that runs as a pest for most but can grow to be a real problem if left unattended. They would run a lot like Alien and would be a fun horror shooting scenario. This is on the basis that there are colonies that can have random events happen to them in EVE. The idea is that they've 'Lost Communication' and a duster needs to check it out. Dusters could run into any of the other PVE problems but don't know what to expect so they equip just about everything keeping a pseudo-adventuring party from the corp (EVE contracter could provide some of the materials). This would leave Dusters a fun who knows what will happen environment. (will it be Aliens? WIll it be Pirates? or will it simply be a radiation leak). Some leeway should be given because we don't want some corp to run into a mission that is L4 when they are equipped for a more simple L1 or 2. So they should get some sort of ranking of the mission and that will determine the difficulty of missions spawned.

Dis thread needs to be stickied. While the game is strictly PVP right now, there's no reason at all something based in the world of eve needs to be so narrowly confined.

Gonna spit out a rough idea for how high sec, low sec, and null sec influence PvE.

High Sec: High Sec PvE matches are overseen by CONCORD (perhaps with the in-universe explanation that they're there to mop up anything that's left if the mercs fail). Consequentially, trying to enter a PvE match as a hostile will result in having to fight rogue drones, mercenaries, and CONCORD. PvE in High Sec is limited to drone attacks and the occasional Sansha incursion.

Low Sec: Low Sec PvE matches are overseen by whatever NPC faction controls the area. Interfering will result in a loss of Loyalty with whatever organization owns the territory, as well as the occasional flyover from the group's fighter craft (basically a slap on the wrist). PvE in Low Sec includes everything in High Sec, as well as pirate raids, native lifeforms, and faction-specific political dissidents (slaves in Amarr space, etc.)

Null Sec: Null sec matches are overseen by no one. There is absolutely no penalty to attacking PvE'ers in Null Sec except for pissing off the corp that they belong to. PvE in Null Sec includes everything from Low Sec, as well as extremely rare confrontations with the Jovians.

After watching some videos about exploration in EVE Online, I decided to brainstorm some ideas for how it could work in Dust 514. I'll also post some ideas for mining, but that's been talked to death, so that part will be limited.

Exploration:

Exploration can be initiated from either a planet-side outpost or from an orbiting war barge. Upon doing so, you select an expedition vehicle (ExV) from the list and use it to deploy probes. There are two kinds of ExVs: Ground ExVs which can only be deployed from outposts, and Aerial ExVs which can also be deployed from the war barge. Probes deployed from a GExV are limited to a certain range around the outpost. GExVs come in Light and Heavy varieties. Light GExVs can travel farther, but can't carry as much loot back, while Heavy GExVs can't go as far but can carry a lot more. AExVs, on the other hand, can deploy probes to any point on the planet. They carry less than either GExV.

Upon scanning with the probes and selecting an exploration site to travel to, you end up in a proceduraly-generated location to explore. You can bring a party with you, but a small anomaly might not be enough for a large group to split. You start out in the selected ExV, but can leave it behind (and in fact, probably should when you reach a site of interest). You can leave the area by simply traveling far enough into the redzone (which doesn't kill you in this mode).

Just like in space, there are several kinds of exploration sites. They'll be obvious to EVE players, but I'll explain them for non-EVE players:

- Surface Anomaly: Basically the planetary equivalent of cosmic anomalies in space. A simple encounter with waves of enemy NPCs.

-Rader Site: Indicates active electronics. You can hack computers there to obtain blueprints for manufacturing, among other things. These are usually lightly guarded by pirates.

-Magnetometric Site: Indicates abandoned man-made structures. You can salvage the ruins for blueprints for advanced equipment or even the equipment itself. There are usually pirates or drones here.

-Gravimetric sites: Hidden mining sites that are popular spots for pirates to ambush unsuspecting miners.

-Ladar Site: Raw gas vents or minerals that can be processed into boosters. These spots rarely contain pirate bases.

Upon acquiring your loot and taking it back to the ExV, you can leave with your loot. If you die, however, you spawn back at the outpost or war barge unless you brought a CRU on your ExV or a drop uplink.

Mining and Exploration Equipment:

-Excursion Dropsuit: Low armor and shields, but high CPU and PG and lots of slots for fitting modules. One sidearm slot and no other weapon slots, but a large number of equipment slots for the equipment that miners and explorers need.

-Storage Module: A low slot module for carrying salvage and mined minerals. Comes in both dropsuit and vehicle varieties.

-Mining Laser: A piece of equipment for mining minerals. Can be used as a weapon, but isn't very effective.

-Salvager: A piece of equipment used to salvage usable items from wrecks.

-Drone Launcher: A piece of equipment used to launch mining drones. (I'm on the fence about whether there should be other types of drone launchers.)

-Active Scanner: Not an original piece of equipment, as it's already confirmed to be in with the purpose of finding low scan profile players, but it could also be used to help pinpoint loot once you reach an exploration site.

Questions? Comments? Suggestions?

Soon Dust 514 will have a PVE mode where you fight against rogue drones (click here to see). They seem to be come equiped with different kinds of weapons like the shotguns and HMGs, and in different sizes. I'm sure the weapons they use and their size would be good for variety, but their is a massive advantage drones have when it comes to variety; their bodies can be anything.

Unlike humans, drones are AI. An AI can be installed on a variety of completely different body types. This can be from massive giant robot spider boss that requires many squads to take down, to small logistics drones that keep the other drones intact. In this thread I will make proposals for drone types that go beyond the basic hovering tentacle monster type of drone that we have seen so far. I will also cover roles that drones can occupy on the battlefield.



[Swarm drones]:
These should be very small, and they should attack in swarms of dozens. They should be very weak, like only 10 points of health, and their damage should be very minuscule. They should only be a threat when they attack in large groups (a swarm). Swarm drones should only be able to damage when they make physical contact.

[Logistics drones]:
These should be moderately small, and hover above the standard attack drones to repair them. They should also be able to revive destroyed drones within a few seconds of a drone being destroyed; the revived drones should have with 20% of their health. Logistics drones should be fast, high flying, but moderately weak.

[Attack drones]: I don't know what they're really called.
The ones we already seen before in trailer.

[Heavy attack drones]: I don't know what they're really called
Bigger versions of the attack drones, we've seen those before as well.

[Fast attack drones]:
Motorcycle drones (or hoverbike since drones seem to like hovering) mounted with weapons. About as durable as a regular attack drones, but significantly faster. Here is an image from a movie to illustrate the idea (click here).

[Digger drones]:
Originally designed for drilling through tough terrain for mining purposes, these massive centipede-like drones have been modified with dozens of small turrets for offensive capabilities. They burrow underground and pop out to do surprise attacks on enemies. These have high health. They should be trackable underground with active scanners. Imagin a robot version of (this) with lots of guns mounted on it. This may be quite a challenge to do considering it will that it breaks through the ground, and that will require destructible grounds.

[Tank drones]:
Hovering HAV drones with powerful defenses, and wields powerful small turrets as well as a large turret. It could look something like this, (click here).

[Aerial attack drones]:
Large flying drones that have small turrets, drops bombs, and also deploy attack drones like a dropship. Has moderately high health, flies slowly. It can look something like this (click here).

[King spider drone]:
A giant spider drone the size of a building with multiple large turrets. It has around 20,000 total HP, and requires a full team of mercs, or a group of tanks to take down. This would make the ultimate final boss. Here is an image of how it might look (click here).

I realize CCP may already be developing a wide variety of drone types that may already do all the things I would like to see (though probably not), but I'm just posting this preemptively I guess.

NOTE: THIS IS GOING TO BE LONG. Read the Core Concept, if you don't like it, post to let me know it sucks and that I should suicide in a public area. Any feedback is good feedback.

Core Concept:

Drones have overrun an important research facility. The facility will be demolished by orbital bombardment in 15 minutes to contain the drone infestation.

Your team, working for the installation owners, and a...

Ship boarding would be fun, and exciting. It would offer players a new type of environment to enjoy (freaken space ships IN SPACE!).

[SHIP BOARDING PVE MISSION]:
I did some Googling earlier, and stumbled upon some pretty pictures of EVE NPC ships, like rogue drone ships (click here, here, and here for the coolness). We will already be getting rogue drones on planets as a PVE enemy in the future for Dust 514, but why not take the battle to space? These rogue drone ships could be carrying planetary rogue drones as a defense against mercs boarding them. This could lead to such a great PVE mode much more interesting than fighting off some horde infestation; we can be the infestation, and fight our way through a series of objectives and disable and entire ship, set up a bomb, and boom. This would give the sense of progression that Skirmish 1.0 had, since you have to move through the "map" (ship), and unlock more of it by completing the objectives. Objectives can include hacking doors, disabling indoor defensive systems (like a computer controlling turrets and cameras), fighting our through to the ship's "brain" to plant a bomb, all while fighting past all the hovering killer drones patrolling the corridors. Another plus could be the lack of artificial gravity, meaning that can drift through with some kind of boosters on our backs.
This kind of NPC ship boarding could also apply to Sansha's Nation. We could board Sansha ships, and fight our past the enslaved mind-controlled cyborg armies await us inside.

Thank you for reading.

Firstly to Kagehoshi, I love this idea completely. The concept of having highly self-sufficient, self-repairing drones (logi-drones) is great and the swarm idea is also pretty fantastic! I sincerely hope this is the plans they have for rogue drones sooner(tm) rather than later.

Furthermore, the mining/worm drone is about socks-off rockin buddy!

As for the the PvPvE mission concept, it's something we've got posted in here as well. In my mind, I saw it as rather a conflict of real-time interests, whereas you have a PvE mission squad out looking for deep-space anomalies to investigate...once scanned down, they go there and begin clearing it out, but with the risk of it being spotted, hunted, and killed by a band of mercs looking to PvP. Or even to the point where they are hiding in the ruined station, waiting for the explorers

This of course should be differentiated depending on risk/location as "closed" mission are safer (Static and AI only) and "open" anomalies have a 'backdoor' so to speak for any and everyone, EVE or Dust. Of course, these are compensated with far greater chances of loot ^^


To Nightingale, in a lot of ways, I agree with you, however the assumption that this should be purely for a certain "group of people" suggests to me you may have not played a lot of Eve Online. When we become active players out in 0.0, one of the key ways to be able to be competitive with the Eve Players will be to have equal opportunities to make isk. While it may not seem a major fact of life now, it is crucial if we want to act independently. You're other options will be 1. Heavy Taxes from Eve Alliances, 2. Dependencies on PvP winnings, effectively monopolizing anyone who has better skill/gear/organization than yourself. This is not only rather narrow, but unfortunately very boring. There is little room for crafting, building, exploration, or even land really. If we leave things as such, we will soon find a very undynamic game.

That being said, there is certainly merit to the balance between the two. I've actually argued the reverse of your post (0 SP gain, ISK rewards only) but I can see reasons to possibly go the other route. Whichever way it is, I do honestly believe that PvP (In Dust) should be the most rewarding of the preset missions, however the real gem in New Eden is that it is designed in such a way as to allow players to form their own means of making isk. I'd prefer this far more than a structured Isk/SP gains/losses ratio that people can easily calculate and abuse (either way)

PvE should fit into this model, IMO. Anything that has to be stuffed into discrete matches that are separate from the rest of the world is just no fun.

whooooooo WAY OP THREAD, this is gonna take a couplea days, but way to bring every major convo to one central location, this needs to be done with a lot more things.

major +1

I hope CCP Doesnt make PvE insta battle because honestly id only play PvE ALL THE TIME.Hope they only make it like mercenary contract events,it would still make it still fun to play when we can and it wouldnt pull alot of the players away from pvp.

I hope CCP Doesnt make PvE insta battle because honestly id only play PvE ALL THE TIME.Hope they only make it like mercenary contract events,it would still make it still fun to play when we can and it wouldnt pull alot of the players away from pvp.

No we need it in insta battle, people like a change from PvP and to not be able to access PvE when they want will depress players.

7000+ I believe it was...?

It is actually much more. It is a galaxy in the end which is supposed to be huge, the numbers you guys are talking about would be stars. Planets I remember and heard most times are around 65 thousand.

Is there a timeframe on when this is going to be implented, summer or winter this year, I hope we get it soon.

There won't be any PvE in the Uprising build.

We said at Fanfest last year that we wan't to do it, and we have continued thinking about it internally. Nothing solid yet and no ETA, but as far as Planetary Conquest is concerned we would like to tie it to that in someway. Something like owning a district with a specific SI allows for PvE battles to be started, or makes them more common. Not sure yet, still just thoughts in our heads, but we are thinking about it.

No joy on PvE for Uprising. From the reddit AMA going on now at http://www.reddit.com/r/dust514/comments/1ckz34/dust_514_developer_ama/?limit=500...





EDIT: And while we're on the subject, I think integrating PvE into planetary conquest is very unfortunate. It would be far more useful for casuals and blueberries, to help them learn the game without the pressure of human opponents. I wish I'd had a PvE surivival mode for the first few days, something like Mass Effect 3 multiplayer.

Besides, my impression is that a large part of the difficulty of implementing PvE content is making it sufficiently challenging...it's going to be far more difficult to challenge the top tier gamers than it is the new players, so making them your target audience sets a much higher bar for the initial PvE development effort.

That's fine, as long as there are plenty of pure PvP opportunities. Lot of FPS players detest PvE in all its forms, me included.

So mybe next year...

I realize I'm pretty late to the party, but I'd like to throw my two cents in.

I think missions should totally match what EVE has to offer. In EVE there are security, distribution, mining (industrial), and special missions that tie directly into the story line of New Eden. These missions come in levels 1 through 5, 1 being something you could accomplish alone in a beginner frigate, 5 you'd want a group of decently geared battleships.
Type:

Security: Attack or Defend a point or multiple points from hostile forces

Distribution: Defend a transport of goods moving slowly across the map

Industrial: Haven't quire figured this out, somehow do something to benefit an industrial process or something.. Whatever..

Storyline: Special case

Level & minimum gear for completion

Level 1: Militia squad

Level 2: Standard squad

Level 3: Advanced squad

Level 4: Prototype squad

Level 5: 2 squads of proto players

I'd say each PvE mission could have 2 squads, but you could play the missions with just 1. Thus, 2 militia squads could probably pull a level 2. Payout would be a flat pool divided among all players, so if you brought too many people you're all just losing money. Obviously payouts go through the roof as levels go up, so it wouldn't be worth a proto player's time to play a level 3 or below (but he could probably solo a level 1 or 2). Also, I don't think I'd really like to see solo PvE, I like Dust being a social game.

or maybe the added PVE would attract and maintain a broader playerbase that PVPers would still be dropping into their missions to gank em...

This was in another thread but will post it here to. SInce it applies.




I see no reason not to mix PvP and PvE to varying degrees.

There could be PvE with no PvP allowed.

PvE with some PvP allowed.

And PvE with little or no restrictions on PvP.

I think the same sort of structure exists in EVE, where you can still interact with other players even while fighting against the NPC and AI controlled enemies.

Robot, I think I'm feeling the bread your slicing...Fun is good, Eve is good, Dust is good. :D

And I'm so very down for Dust 514 mercs running a mission, getting jumped by PvP proto-pirates and running for their life through Drones back to their dropship.

PvP shouldn't be restricted because I want to play pve only. Non consensual PvP is fun and adds danger to the game. We should not embrace the carebear mentality of pve only missions. The possibility of another group of mercs ruining your days should be a constant threat.

...lol, wut? XD

I mean, that was a great moment in the Keynote, but it wasn't PvE

u sure it wasn't a group of 16 CCP employees and a bunch of NPC characters and vehicles?

Not a 100%, but I'm almost positive that they were fighting against a ton of human players, themselves being completely loaded with dev-hacks ^^

But that would be where I want the AI in the future

I thought for a while on how sleepers could work in Dust but then I had an idea!

Follow me with this, What if it became a bording type mission? This would have to work in 2 parts a way for The Eve dude to get him in his ship and the dust person from the ship to he sleeper.

So in Eve there would be a new weapon called "Breaching Torp" or something along the same line as that. Of course there would be different types of them to allow more and more people to sit in them so you can run with your buddies! Wih the skill level having some small chance of causing of blwing up or something? Put in some kind of mini game to un jam a door IDK, just shooting out ideas!

But as the dust player you join some kind of Que or something to get you hook up with an Eve Dude or contract out the trip and get in there sit in the "Breaching torp" bahed in red lights as you fly towards the unknown.

Inside there are Robots drones W/e you want to loot/Salavge And then get out.

You would need a benifit to the eve player perhaps if the people they put in survive they get some kind of bonous loot and such!

Im at work at the moment and have a lot more to type but i doubt they would like that!

But let me know what you guys think!

The AI is frikin rtarded, did you watch any of the video?

Also the red squares near the vehicles nametag indicating they are npc and an attackable entity. Similar to eve npc destroyable objects.

So yes this is PvE jason

Just look at 17:30 the AI is just standing there doing nothing. This is where you want AI? Please watch the video again.

(after only reading OP)

@OP
umm... why are you not working with (or running for that matter) CCP?

I've read some good threads in my day (lol less then a year) but THIS is the thread of threads. +1 x 9,000!

I'll happily admit that I didn't care for the specifics of the video as they were from a video I watched over a year ago. While virtually every other video they've ever demoed and or featured with has been with real players, it looks like you're absolutely right and these are some sort of stagnant AI placeholder infantry...now if you really think this is where they are with their AI I'm not sure what else to say.........

...but hey, let's assume the best for you and take it as a given, eh?

That said, I would also state that my unwitting comment is rather half true. To the sense of the size and force of those AI (purely numbers and theoretical difficulty...assuming they are all some kind of sub-Dust Mercenary forces or Faction Forces) I could dig it...esspecially if it required timing and tactics of squads to survive it. However, I would obviously emphasis, again, that this is something that should be more of a challenge and an event.

Those were fun times watching the orbital drop for the first time and all that jazz. ^^

I wish that CCP would just ninja add the pve on a downtime and when the severs come back our districts are invested and a new battle type called "Control" where we fight front line battles against AI. After a weekend of that the instant battles would be available and all pub matches would have a chance of generating a drone squad at anytime during the battle.

I wrote a few ideas down in this thread basically covering some ways of making the warbarge relevant, having commanders, bringing in the other planets in Molden Heath in a sort of maurauding PvEvP mode. Included there is the idea of "campaigns", basically being a series of connected games (like a mission chain in EVE) to make battles feel like they have some relevance to New Eden, such as all taking place on the same planet, which would include varied PvE and PvP modes.

I thought for a while on how sleepers could work in Dust but then I had an idea!

Follow me with this, What if it became a bording type mission? This would have to work in 2 parts a way for The Eve dude to get him in his ship and the dust person from the ship to he sleeper.

So in Eve there would be a new weapon called "Breaching Torp" or something along the same line as that. Of course there would be different types of them to allow more and more people to sit in them so you can run with your buddies! Wih the skill level having some small chance of causing of blwing up or something? Put in some kind of mini game to un jam a door IDK, just shooting out ideas!

But as the dust player you join some kind of Que or something to get you hook up with an Eve Dude or contract out the trip and get in there sit in the "Breaching torp" bahed in red lights as you fly towards the unknown.

Inside there are Robots drones W/e you want to loot/Salavge And then get out.

You would need a benifit to the eve player perhaps if the people they put in survive they get some kind of bonous loot and such!

Im at work at the moment and have a lot more to type but i doubt they would like that!

But let me know what you guys think!

The fact that it will never come out and CCP isn't even working on it is an every growing fear in my mind.... all they would have to do is introduce it and then I could dive into it for weeks on end and ignore the crappy meta that has developed in Dust only infrequently emerging to fight FW matches.....

So What is the news on PVE? Aside from the work on the drones, any other dialogue going on?

From the CPM AMA thread, so I thought I'd pop in. I haven't posted in this thread yet, but It is definitely a pretty awesome read. I think everyone loves seeing posts like this. Great work OP!

As far as News... Last we've heard on the CPM... PVE was not nearly as far along as was hinted in places like IRC, or even my own Podcast Cast514. We had a guest speak about it being actively tested, which led many to believe that PVE was almost ready to be rolled out.

This is apparently not the case, much to our dismay upon hearing this.

The CPM doesn't know of any specific timeline of when they want PVE out, but it's not going to be in 1.4 and very likely won't be in 1.5 (Though we have heard nothing about 1.5 at this time)

8 pages and, if i'm not mistaken, not a single troll in sight O.o

P.S. Is all of this true?

I'm sure there's one or two bad ones lurking in there somewhere ...just not very good at it...

And I'm not sure what the link means...all the basic information looks accurate and such though...so yeah, I guess yeah?

Was talking about the pics of the vehicles, weapons, etc.

I got +1. They could have a little planet somewhere on the edges of the galaxy that has been invaded by a new spices of ALIENS! Players could hop into battles for districts in a real time event matches against the new invaders. If the districts on the planet were all lost for over 24 hrs, the aliens would start a fresh invasion on the next closest planet/moon ect. It could also take place in EVE, with ships fighting and lasers flying. The enemy could call strikes of their own twisted touch..as would the allies. Ground forces could capture and loose surface bases that would fire deadly payloads to the alien forces infesting the planets orbit in EVE space. Difficult boarding missions where EVE pilots try to get squads aboard mother ships to battle their way into the belly of a mother ship to leave an explosive surprise inside. Rescue missions of fantastic proportions. Recovery of samples, data and new enemy weapons for mercs and pilots to use against the new threat. Contracts of extermination on a planet owned by a industrialists in EVE to expand their territories to increase resource accumulation. The possibilities are endless. And it would be hard, still requiring teams of squads to accomplish a larger mission while squad only missions could remain smaller breach oriented play. Love the ideas here and will post if I have more.

The possibilities are endless for this game... don't think it is possible to say they for any other console game to date.

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`Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST .

I'd like almost any PvE option, but also just options like being able to access the EVE market for goods and resell them. Even though we can't actually use any of that stuff, being able to interact with the market would effectively give us access to a futures/stock market.

I'd like totally mundane options, like running around with a mining laser collecting ore/etc. for some totally tediously small profits and SP - just because it would be different than round-based team deathmatch. I'd like to be able to move to a system/planet of my choosing. I'd like to be able to see that planet/moon outside the window depending on where I live. I'd like to be able to customize my apartment. I'd like to have a crafting minigame. I'd like to have solo missions to infiltrate corp areas and steal data or sabotage things. I'd like an option to transport VIPs around a citiscape in my dropship in some deranged version of Crazy Taxi. Minor SP and ISK... nothing else.... just... flying people places.

Anything but the samey team deathmatch on the samey maps.

I got +1. They could have a little planet somewhere on the edges of the galaxy that has been invaded by a new spices of ALIENS! Players could hop into battles for districts in a real time event matches against the new invaders. If the districts on the planet were all lost for over 24 hrs, the aliens would start a fresh invasion on the next closest planet/moon ect. It could also take place in EVE, with ships fighting and lasers flying. The enemy could call strikes of their own twisted touch..as would the allies. Ground forces could capture and loose surface bases that would fire deadly payloads to the alien forces infesting the planets orbit in EVE space. Difficult boarding missions where EVE pilots try to get squads aboard mother ships to battle their way into the belly of a mother ship to leave an explosive surprise inside. Rescue missions of fantastic proportions. Recovery of samples, data and new enemy weapons for mercs and pilots to use against the new threat. Contracts o f extermination on a planet owned by a industrialists in EVE to expand their territories to increase resource accumulation. The possibilities are endless. And it would be hard, still requiring teams of squads to accomplish a larger mission while squad only missions could remain smaller breach oriented play. Love the ideas here and will post if I have more.

8 pages and, if i'm not mistaken, not a single troll in sight O.o

P.S. Is all of this true?

I justed drooled on the Gallante heavy dropsuit. Mmmmmmmm...dropsuits

I think the ideas are great. I think PvE is needed for new players to get there SP up besides PvP. It will help keep players in the game. Make ISK and SP later for PvP. PvE wont take alot of players from PvP . It might for the first few days. Don't wait for everything to come put. If they do it might be a long long time from now.

Yeah, that certainly remains the only actual detractor from the idea. If they put all this work into PvE and it turns out to be good, then we might very well hinder the core PvP gameplay.

This is very much why I am an advocate for a community initiative to find an acceptable compromise that continues to prove innovation. I've said it elsewhere as have many others, the 2 I think of more personally is:

1. Secondary Market: Indiscriminate, Measurable, and gives the ability for players to make choices with their feet/money on what is actually OP or underpowered, etc. ---> Gives immediate VALUE to ISK, Rewards, and Loot!

2. Boarding Parties: The ability for Eve Players to use Dust Mercenaries as "living ammunition" to board their enemies ships and destroy/capture them would give an extraordinary boost to pretty much everything PvP and essentially create the meta-game. Throw in Stations, POS's, and POCO's and you got yourself an extremely high-demand resource in Dust-Bunnies. Probably almost too much...which would be great for our revenues

The PvE would have to be something rather challenging in my opinion though. (For the Boarding Mechanics). You would be limited to the number of "pods" Eve Players could launch into the ship (let's say ie: 1 pod/ per pod bay "turret slot" and it fires an average of 1 per minute, etc) For every pod, we get something close to 6-12 Mercs (I'd even be cooler with less) with very limited supplies. From there it's an uphill battle with a high demand for more supplies and clones, but absolutely no guarantee and the inherit possibility of defending mercs being spawned aboard (if the defending ship thought ahead to carrying clones or a clone barracks).

This creates a PvE mission with the every present threat of rapidly escalating to PvP. (details in earlier pages)

I think these alone would launch enough gripping material to allow players to create their own depth of the game as well as a provide a great window of opportunity for CCP to take some time getting SOV/0.0 warfare done correctly. Essentially, Dust Bunnies will prove themselves as vital assets to whoever is smart enough to use them early and create their own measurable demand which would only increase after the full gambit is released

Not sure if someone suggested this or not as I don't want to read 9 pages of ideas but, there should be vehicle based drones as well(extremely fast for lavs, flying for dropships, large for tanks). I'm also going to assume that if we can eventually drive the MCC that there will be a drone of about that size that will be able to drop vehicle and infantry drones.

Not sure if someone suggested this or not as I don't want to read 9 pages of ideas but, there should be vehicle based drones as well(extremely fast for lavs, flying for dropships, large for tanks). I'm also going to assume that if we can eventually drive the MCC that there will be a drone of about that size that will be able to drop vehicle and infantry drones.

driving the MCC sounds like a bad idea, the closest we came to that was skirmish 1.0 which the MCC was escorted by the attacking team accross the map to the enemys base

This would certainly keep things interesting for drivers/pilots instead of taking out easy targets the whole time.

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`Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST.

Can we still Expect PvE ?
I saw the DUST 514 keynotes on youtube... they said it's really hard to do ...

Not sure if someone suggested this or not as I don't want to read 9 pages of ideas but, there should be vehicle based drones as well(extremely fast for lavs, flying for dropships, large for tanks). I'm also going to assume that if we can eventually drive the MCC that there will be a drone of about that size that will be able to drop vehicle and infantry drones.

gotta say, im impressed this thread is still alive

Holy ****..i hadnt thought of all these concepts..being relatively new to dust and the new eden universe.my pve so far has been cod zombies and gears of war horde.and while those are gine,the possibilities for this are amazing..

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Friendly bump

just sayin, im pretty sure if you make it obvious you are bumping a thread CCP members can lock the thread, as is mentioned in the terms you agree to by using the forums

It's great to see people still interested in this gameplay. I know it's a pretty large fraction of the community, but alas we tend to put bugs/balancing before content...since this summer.

It's not like we didn't have a choice. Those bugs were really annoying. Besides, imagine having to fight against a Rogue Drone infestation with crappy hit detection.

I don't know if this is PvE, but anway, i think its a good idea:

So i think that shoukd be a Co-Op against NPC's, basd on dificulty.
Easy to Hard, so the NPC merc wearing Std fittings to Proto. It would be some sort of Battle Simulation, and, this way, even small or big Corps could train their squads with multiples tatics and strategies; or even explain the roles on the battlefield, how to play like a logi, heavy, etc.

Buuuut, of course, this Battle Simulation would not give sooo many ISK like Instant Battle etc., its just to training.
And stats would not be affected by Battle Simulation. And of course, we don't lose our stuff.

Idk if its worth, but that's it.

I dont know where i heard it on the forum, but someone had a good idea about a Sansha's Nation bot fight. In this you would work against a timer while the population of a planet/ district would be evacuated whilst fighting a zerg storm of different drop-suite npc that have no regard for their safety.

if you dont have your stats affected and you dont lose your stuff, you dont deserve a reward for doing it, no risk should mean no reward

if you dont have your stats affected and you dont lose your stuff, you dont deserve a reward for doing it, no risk should mean no reward

It'll probably give many of us false hope