its not balanced simply cause it has more blast radius and damage then a large railgun. Now tell me why should a tank with a railgun be defenseless compared to a heavy with a forgegun? They are both hybrid weapons so i just think that blast radius on assault forgeguns should be around 1m max. After all swarm launcher users have aswell only their sidearm to defend themself so why should a forgegunner get any kind off benefit? I demand a forgegun nerf on blast radius. Im sick off it that people sitting on top off buildings spamming forges at infantry. If you want to be AV then only AV and not anti everything.

Still Bitter I see.

Have you tried forgeing people?

To those that can and do my hats off to you that takes some skill.

its not balanced simply cause it has more blast radius and damage then a large railgun. Now tell me why should a tank with a railgun be defenseless compared to a heavy with a forgegun? They are both hybrid weapons so i just think that blast radius on assault forgeguns should be around 1m max. After all swarm launcher users have aswell only their sidearm to defend themself so why should a forgegunner get any kind off benefit? I demand a forgegun nerf on blast radius. Im sick off it that people sitting on top off buildings spamming forges at infantry. If you want to be AV then only AV and not anti everything.

Defenseless?

10K Shield/Armor tank
VS
1K Shield/Armor forge gunner is hardly defenseless.

Sounds more like defended to me.

try kill a forge gunner who keeps popping up over the top of a mountain while they spam forge blasts at you then you will see how defenceless a HAV is

Where's your infantry support?

Ask infantry to get into opposition redlines to kill 1 Heavy and see what they tell you XD

Heard of a sniper?

Besides, the matches where I've been on your team all you did was sit at the redline with your tank.

try kill a forge gunner who keeps popping up over the top of a mountain while they spam forge blasts at you then you will see how defenceless a HAV is

Try to kill a sniper who keeps popping up over the top of a mountain while they spam sniper shots at you then you will see how defenceless a forge gunner is.

Where's your vehicle support?

try kill a forge gunner who keeps popping up over the top of a mountain while they spam forge blasts at you then you will see how defenceless a HAV is

LOL, so you're basically saying you agree with me. THANK YOU.

You just said a forge gunner isn't OP. I AGREE.

and not going toe to toe with the tank like it heavy was intended to do

Reduced the range/splash damage and radius

Maybe because it's impossible to do so in the game's current state?

An easier way to fix this is to make the rail guns MORE like forge guns.

If they did the same damage and splash then the tank will have its shields and armour whilst the forge gunner has manoeuvrability.

It's a fair fight. If some one has got a PROTO forge gun and spent the SP to get there good luck to them, HAV drivers better put more SP into survivability rather than PEWPEW Glass cannon tanks.

An easier way to fix this is to make the rail guns MORE like forge guns.

If they did the same damage and splash then the tank will have its shields and armour whilst the forge gunner has manoeuvrability.

It's a fair fight. If some one has got a PROTO forge gun and spent the SP to get there good luck to them, HAV drivers better put more SP into survivability rather than PEWPEW Glass cannon tanks.

You've obviously never skilled in HAVs. Majority of us have actually maxed out our Vehicle skills, not just turrets.

ahh no.

What im basically saying is Forge Guns are OP, they should have ZERO splash damage and a shorter range then they would be balanced. Keep the direct damage as it is thats fine

Forge gun is the most OP gun in the game right now, Its the only weapon that can do EVERYTHING in game. From Sniping across the map, anti Infantry, anti Air and anti Vehicle.

Its massive damage and large blast radius makes it the weapon of choice for an all round playe

try kill a forge gunner who keeps popping up over the top of a mountain while they spam forge blasts at you then you will see how defenceless a HAV is

What you said right before he said this is that vehicles are a good counter to snipers (particularly true in the case of HAVs), while conceding that snipers are a good counter to Forge Guns, which in turn confirms that they're easily countered by one of the most prevalent weapon types on the battlefield, thus making them definitely NOT OP.

You may not be OPENLY admitting to that concession, but you still made it.

I take it you dont drive?

Ther is only so much you can do, i have perfect support skills for my tank and if i wanted i could whack it upto 10k shields but tbh that would be useless because the resistances got nerfed and i have no room to for them anyways with a 10k shield, even the active 10sec active 30sec cooldown useless tbh but better than the nerfed passive mods, AV can hit me from across the map anyways without even trying before i even get into killing distance

So i swap to a armor tank it gives me more hp overall like a 8k mauarder or 10k plus suyra but whats that i can see? oh yes swarms from across the map hitting me because they bend around cover like that and wiping out shields and more armor because they have a 30% damage bonus to armor

Tanks are weak when compared to AV to begin with so we dont have much choice anyways since resistances got nerfed, 2 out of 3 turrets got nerfed, AV does more damage to armor tanks and also armor tanks do not have active resist mods either

As for the Large railgun should act like a forge gun lolno maybe the small can but the large should always do more range/dps/splash damage and radius than the forge gun

ahh no. your wrong. A forge gunner can do the same back to a sniper, he doesn't even have to hit the sniper to OHK him.

forge gunner can kill EVERYTHING in a game if that's not OP I don't know what is.

All I see in this thread are Forge users crying "please don't Nerf my god mode"

HTFU

my forge gunning gear costs 200k a suit and your tank costs you double.

Try 5x. easily.

"You need a squad if you wanna **** with me."

Now I find that funny even though it seems straight forward. You should need a squad, but so do tanks. How fair is it that my forge gunning gear costs 200k a suit and your tank costs you double, yet you want to be 5 times stronger then me.

I'm really sorry tankers, but even in real life a single infantry can take out a tank if they know what they're doing, and using terrain falls under that category. You're a big hulky metal monster who doesn't have a gun pointed in every direction, a well placed infantry should be able to strap on explosives to your tanks tracks and take you out. And considering the way Ambush is played, tanks should struggle, people are spawning all around them and everyones put SP into AV by now.

And FYI, if you tankers haven't figured out the counter to forges, it's not missiles anymore. May want to ask around which certain constant stream of death us fatties are starting to fear most these days.

No, I'm not wrong (or should that be "my not wrong" to fit with your atrocious grammar?). YOU indirectly conceded the point that snipers can counter Forge Guns. In responding to another player's comment about Snipers using sensible tactics to kill Forge Gunners, you suggested having a vehicle to help the Forge Gunner out, which implies that snipers are effective against Forge Guns. I'm correct in pointing out that your comment in that situation was an admission of that point, whether you're willing to directly admit to it or not.

Tanks are like buying computers.

If I buy a crappy laptop, I may just get some weak virus finder system and enjoy my ****. If I have a super expensive PC, I'd make damn sure nothing happens to it.

One system can handle and do more, but both can be wrecked by the same viruses.

And hackers are like forge gunners. They can send out a devastating payload, but once caught and in sight they're doomed.

You know what I keep reading on the side of "FORGES ARE OP." It's, "I can't solo a forge who uses terrain correctly." ... In a team based game where tanks used to say, "You need a squad if you wanna **** with me."

Now I find that funny even though it seems straight forward. You should need a squad, but so do tanks. How fair is it that my forge gunning gear costs 200k a suit and your tank costs you double, yet you want to be 5 times stronger then me. I'm really sorry tankers, but even in real life a single infantry can take out a tank if they know what they're doing, and using terrain falls under that category. You're a big hulky metal monster who doesn't have a gun pointed in every direction, a well placed infantry should be able to strap on explosives to your tanks tracks and take you out. And considering the way Ambush is played, tanks should struggle, people are spawning all around them and everyones put SP into AV by now.

And FYI, if you tankers haven't figured out the counter to forges, it's not missiles anymore. May want to ask around which certain constant stream of death us fatties are starting to fear most these days.

Forge gun is hilariously OP. If you think otherwise you are just attached to it cause its a jack of all trades weapon that does AV and AI equally well.

Yep.. I see forge gunners go 20-0 every game wtf CCP !!!


(Sarcasm)
In case you didn't get it.

Actually last build i use to go close to 20-0 and had a game with 30 some kills and 2 deaths running forge only.

Yeah I get close to those types of scores now on line harvest every ambush with it too but it doesn't help when arguing for the forge

Basically I'm trying to say you will not go 20-0 every game with a forge gun to where as you'll have way more luck (guaranteed) to do it with an AR.

With the recent changes to small missile turrets, it only seems obvious that the forge gun is going to be the next to face the nerf stick, with the large splash on the assault proto forge, and the superior range to any dropship on the field, it is only a matter of time.

With the recent changes to small missile turrets, it only seems obvious that the forge gun is going to be the next to face the nerf stick, with the large splash on the assault proto forge, and the superior range to any dropship on the field, it is only a matter of time.

Still Bitter I see.

Have you tried forgeing people?

To those that can and do my hats off to you that takes some skill.

You know what I keep reading on the side of "FORGES ARE OP." It's, "I can't solo a forge who uses terrain correctly." ... In a team based game where tanks used to say, "You need a squad if you wanna **** with me."

Now I find that funny even though it seems straight forward. You should need a squad, but so do tanks. How fair is it that my forge gunning gear costs 200k a suit and your tank costs you double, yet you want to be 5 times stronger then me. I'm really sorry tankers, but even in real life a single infantry can take out a tank if they know what they're doing, and using terrain falls under that category. You're a big hulky metal monster who doesn't have a gun pointed in every direction, a well placed infantry should be able to strap on explosives to your tanks tracks and take you out. And considering the way Ambush is played, tanks should struggle, people are spawning all around them and everyones put SP into AV by now.

And FYI, if you tankers haven't figured out the counter to forges, it's not missiles anymore. May want to ask around which certain constant stream of death us fatties are starting to fear most these days.

My point is the forge is too good at everything, and not bad at anything..

When we encounter one of those "suped up vehicles" like drops/tanks etc... we respond appropriately. Generally, four swarm launchers on freebie suits come out, and those vehicles are destroyed. We've got a forge gunner or two also, and they contribute plenty to taking down these clowns.

Fact is though, there's more than enough players on a team (or even a decent squad) to take down a good tank/dropship with free stuff.

The "problem" here though, is when your squadmates aren't your friends/corpmates and endlessly attempt to ignore the death from above/rolling destruction.

Most vehicle guys I know, aren't really thrilled with losing more than one big ticket item per match.

Having said all that, I do think the range on a forge gun might need to be tweaked... since infinite is kinda silly.

Either way, that's not really much of an issue. There's more than enough counters to forge gunners around.

Forge gunner hiding behind a hill and i can see him so i aim with my railgun get that red marker popping up and i fire, but wait i didnt kill him and he still managed to fire off a shot and hit me what happened? oh yes its in invisable wall that he behind and i will never be able to hit him but he can hit me fine

what in the world of **** are these cry babies talking about?! nerf the forge gun?! and then your reasons are completely stupid?! tank drivers QQing about splash damage when it's the direct damage that kills them

then they say "we are defenceless against them" with their 8k armor vs 1k 1 shot.

Then they say "but they hide up in the mountains popping their head up!" while they stay behind their redlines / against corners ready to run away in their speed tanks that take 4 shots from proto forge compared to the 1 shot on a heavy.

and then they accuse us FORGE gunners of QQ'ing because our so called "god mode" is being taken away? when even a militia assault can take us out. when was the last time you seen a forge gunner going 26-0?!

what in the world of **** are these cry babies talking about?! nerf the forge gun?! and then your reasons are completely stupid?! tank drivers QQing about splash damage when it's the direct damage that kills them

then they say "we are defenceless against them" with their 8k armor vs 1k 1 shot.

Then they say "but they hide up in the mountains popping their head up!" while they stay behind their redlines / against corners ready to run away in their speed tanks that take 4 shots from proto forge compared to the 1 shot on a heavy.

all the while giving the impression they are given this great injustice while they go 20-0 per match.

and then they accuse us FORGE gunners of QQ'ing because our so called "god mode" is being taken away? when even a militia assault can take us out. when was the last time you seen a forge gunner going 26-0?!

I lol at this thread and hope ccp doesn't take the op and those who support them seriously -_-

as said forges are well balanced, and difficult to use against infantry. if someone sees someone raining forge shots from above - why are they not going up to take them out?

one thing I've noticed about this forums is when people want to QQ about something, they'll try and paint the most bleak picture they can without even mentioning the options that blatantly counter it.

I'll second that, as much as I hate being taken *out* by someone with a forge gun up on top of a hill or building I know it takes skill to pull off.

Is an AV weapon why should it have any splash damage at all?

Base damage of the cheapest Forge gun is 1200 and splash is 210, Splash damage on a militia fit troop is OHK.

Breach Forge is 2500 direct base damage, which on a militia fit HAV is almost a OHK. Two breach forge users with a good fit will melt any well fit HAV in 2/3 shots no problem

Why are you comparing survivability between a heavy and a HAV??

On the EU servers i see this regular

I was on the SSSDUST514 chat last night and heard Mr Zitro say he hardly ever see's Forge users, maybe its because of playing on american servers? On the EU servers they are everywhere.

My primary role (and enjoyment) is piloting a Dropship. My issue is I am 2 hitted by a Forge Gunner, I can have 4000 Shields and I will be destroyed instantaneously, that's a good 700k ISK gone in seconds. I've done it to Dropships, If I'm in a good position I will destroy them easily enough.

Now, many of us agreed completely to the missile nerfs, I believe a Dropship shouldn't be an offensive vehicle when it comes to their gunners. The issue is it's far to weak to fulfill its role, it's meant to be a vehicle that is able to pick up troops in hot zones, I don't care if you remove my gunners to make it so my Dropship can fulfill its role, by all means do it. But give me the PG/CPU to make my vehicle capable to do such things.

Before someone goes "BUT ITS A LIGHT VEHICLE", It's not, it's a medium vehicle and if we want to match descriptions for everything in this game, it's apparant a heavy platform for troops to deploy into battle. So we either need to nerf forge guns slightly, decrease its damage and such so a Dropship can survive, or buff dropships defensive capabilities

Base damage of the cheapest Forge gun is 1200 and splash is 210, Splash damage on a militia fit troop is OHK.

I think you miss the point. Its a HAV it should take more than one person to bring it down and currently thats not how its working

My 200,000 ISK Sica only dies to a lone Forge Gunner if I screw up. It usually takes 2 - 3 infantry or a better HAV than my own to kill it. A couple of good 2-man LAV teams (driver + gunner) can sometimes do the trick, but usually not. 2 Proto Forge Guns will kill me pretty fast, but if I see either of them while charging, they'll probably die first.

Milita tanks i see are generally are solo'd half the time, someone dropped one in an ambush with a railgun and i hopped about with a milita SL spamming it and throwing AV nades and it popped

You can solo a gunlogi tbh, a sagaris rarely because the driver knows its expensive and they dont want to lose it so they take extra care over it tbh

Even then tho top tanks cannot take too much punishment tbh espc not with the the overall price tag

My current Sagaris costs 2.3mil, for its price tag is a risky investment its why you see me sat up on that hill, maybe if it was like under 1mil i may bring it down but its easier to use a gunlogi for that

Either way the price tag for a fully fit top tier tank is way way overpriced for what it can actually do

Im sick off it that people sitting on top off buildings spamming forges at infantry. If you want to be AV then only AV and not anti everything.

I agree, Rail tanks should not be allowed to shoot me either when I'm trying to forge them. They should stick to AV.

lol HAVs both rail and blaster can do what they want, you forge gunners dont have a right to get easy kills.

IIIIII see what you did there ;)

I doubt it. This is probably the best balanced weapon in the game.

It takes a huge amount of skill to take out a decent flier. A noob not so much.

As far as the splash damage goes it is horribly small. It takes quite a few shots to take a guy out within a few yards of you cause you have to hit them just right and a forge will fire straight through someone 9/10 times.

I have started having some decent luck with the proto forge sniping poor souls with them, but I have specialized into forges every build.

The strength it has when it hits, is balanced with its inability to defend itself from every other infantry on the field, and huge expense. Most forge gunners will tell you it is a money pit to be a forge gunner in today's economy.

Nope not gonna see a nerf the forge trend.

There is no need to nerf. The basic forge gun is absolute crap for anything but LAV and infantry, and that usually discourages most from using it

not when you get to higher levels, it kills everything, not even the HAV turrets do that much damage... thus why people complain, cause in reality, both sides damage should be equal, both HAV and AV.

I'd rather see a re-buff to Missiles than a nerf on the Forge.

And I think the Large Missile Turret got hit way harder beyond reason than the Small Turrets have been.

Forge guns shouldnt do the same damage as a Railgun.

ahh no.

What im basically saying is Forge Guns are OP, they should have ZERO splash damage and a shorter range then they would be balanced. Keep the direct damage as it is thats fine

I was in a game where within the first minute of a game, someone with a forge took out all the turrets on my team's side.

It's also ridiculous how the weakest forge gun has FAR more range than, and about the same DPS as a prototype small railgun.

I doubt it. This is probably the best balanced weapon in the game.

It takes a huge amount of skill to take out a decent flier. A noob not so much.

As far as the splash damage goes it is horribly small. It takes quite a few shots to take a guy out within a few yards of you cause you have to hit them just right and a forge will fire straight through someone 9/10 times.

I have started having some decent luck with the proto forge sniping poor souls with them, but I have specialized into forges every build.

The strength it has when it hits, is balanced with its inability to defend itself from every other infantry on the field, and huge expense. Most forge gunners will tell you it is a money pit to be a forge gunner in today's economy.

Nope not gonna see a nerf the forge trend.