My point is the forge is too good at everything, and not bad at anything..

When we encounter one of those "suped up vehicles" like drops/tanks etc... we respond appropriately. Generally, four swarm launchers on freebie suits come out, and those vehicles are destroyed. We've got a forge gunner or two also, and they contribute plenty to taking down these clowns.

Fact is though, there's more than enough players on a team (or even a decent squad) to take down a good tank/dropship with free stuff.

The "problem" here though, is when your squadmates aren't your friends/corpmates and endlessly attempt to ignore the death from above/rolling destruction.

Most vehicle guys I know, aren't really thrilled with losing more than one big ticket item per match.

Having said all that, I do think the range on a forge gun might need to be tweaked... since infinite is kinda silly.

Either way, that's not really much of an issue. There's more than enough counters to forge gunners around.

Forge gunner hiding behind a hill and i can see him so i aim with my railgun get that red marker popping up and i fire, but wait i didnt kill him and he still managed to fire off a shot and hit me what happened? oh yes its in invisable wall that he behind and i will never be able to hit him but he can hit me fine

what in the world of **** are these cry babies talking about?! nerf the forge gun?! and then your reasons are completely stupid?! tank drivers QQing about splash damage when it's the direct damage that kills them

then they say "we are defenceless against them" with their 8k armor vs 1k 1 shot.

Then they say "but they hide up in the mountains popping their head up!" while they stay behind their redlines / against corners ready to run away in their speed tanks that take 4 shots from proto forge compared to the 1 shot on a heavy.

and then they accuse us FORGE gunners of QQ'ing because our so called "god mode" is being taken away? when even a militia assault can take us out. when was the last time you seen a forge gunner going 26-0?!

what in the world of **** are these cry babies talking about?! nerf the forge gun?! and then your reasons are completely stupid?! tank drivers QQing about splash damage when it's the direct damage that kills them

then they say "we are defenceless against them" with their 8k armor vs 1k 1 shot.

Then they say "but they hide up in the mountains popping their head up!" while they stay behind their redlines / against corners ready to run away in their speed tanks that take 4 shots from proto forge compared to the 1 shot on a heavy.

all the while giving the impression they are given this great injustice while they go 20-0 per match.

and then they accuse us FORGE gunners of QQ'ing because our so called "god mode" is being taken away? when even a militia assault can take us out. when was the last time you seen a forge gunner going 26-0?!

I lol at this thread and hope ccp doesn't take the op and those who support them seriously -_-

as said forges are well balanced, and difficult to use against infantry. if someone sees someone raining forge shots from above - why are they not going up to take them out?

one thing I've noticed about this forums is when people want to QQ about something, they'll try and paint the most bleak picture they can without even mentioning the options that blatantly counter it.

I'll second that, as much as I hate being taken *out* by someone with a forge gun up on top of a hill or building I know it takes skill to pull off.

Is an AV weapon why should it have any splash damage at all?

Base damage of the cheapest Forge gun is 1200 and splash is 210, Splash damage on a militia fit troop is OHK.

Breach Forge is 2500 direct base damage, which on a militia fit HAV is almost a OHK. Two breach forge users with a good fit will melt any well fit HAV in 2/3 shots no problem

Why are you comparing survivability between a heavy and a HAV??

On the EU servers i see this regular

I was on the SSSDUST514 chat last night and heard Mr Zitro say he hardly ever see's Forge users, maybe its because of playing on american servers? On the EU servers they are everywhere.

My primary role (and enjoyment) is piloting a Dropship. My issue is I am 2 hitted by a Forge Gunner, I can have 4000 Shields and I will be destroyed instantaneously, that's a good 700k ISK gone in seconds. I've done it to Dropships, If I'm in a good position I will destroy them easily enough.

Now, many of us agreed completely to the missile nerfs, I believe a Dropship shouldn't be an offensive vehicle when it comes to their gunners. The issue is it's far to weak to fulfill its role, it's meant to be a vehicle that is able to pick up troops in hot zones, I don't care if you remove my gunners to make it so my Dropship can fulfill its role, by all means do it. But give me the PG/CPU to make my vehicle capable to do such things.

Before someone goes "BUT ITS A LIGHT VEHICLE", It's not, it's a medium vehicle and if we want to match descriptions for everything in this game, it's apparant a heavy platform for troops to deploy into battle. So we either need to nerf forge guns slightly, decrease its damage and such so a Dropship can survive, or buff dropships defensive capabilities

Base damage of the cheapest Forge gun is 1200 and splash is 210, Splash damage on a militia fit troop is OHK.

I think you miss the point. Its a HAV it should take more than one person to bring it down and currently thats not how its working

My 200,000 ISK Sica only dies to a lone Forge Gunner if I screw up. It usually takes 2 - 3 infantry or a better HAV than my own to kill it. A couple of good 2-man LAV teams (driver + gunner) can sometimes do the trick, but usually not. 2 Proto Forge Guns will kill me pretty fast, but if I see either of them while charging, they'll probably die first.

Milita tanks i see are generally are solo'd half the time, someone dropped one in an ambush with a railgun and i hopped about with a milita SL spamming it and throwing AV nades and it popped

You can solo a gunlogi tbh, a sagaris rarely because the driver knows its expensive and they dont want to lose it so they take extra care over it tbh

Even then tho top tanks cannot take too much punishment tbh espc not with the the overall price tag

My current Sagaris costs 2.3mil, for its price tag is a risky investment its why you see me sat up on that hill, maybe if it was like under 1mil i may bring it down but its easier to use a gunlogi for that

Either way the price tag for a fully fit top tier tank is way way overpriced for what it can actually do

Im sick off it that people sitting on top off buildings spamming forges at infantry. If you want to be AV then only AV and not anti everything.

I agree, Rail tanks should not be allowed to shoot me either when I'm trying to forge them. They should stick to AV.

lol HAVs both rail and blaster can do what they want, you forge gunners dont have a right to get easy kills.

IIIIII see what you did there ;)

I doubt it. This is probably the best balanced weapon in the game.

It takes a huge amount of skill to take out a decent flier. A noob not so much.

As far as the splash damage goes it is horribly small. It takes quite a few shots to take a guy out within a few yards of you cause you have to hit them just right and a forge will fire straight through someone 9/10 times.

I have started having some decent luck with the proto forge sniping poor souls with them, but I have specialized into forges every build.

The strength it has when it hits, is balanced with its inability to defend itself from every other infantry on the field, and huge expense. Most forge gunners will tell you it is a money pit to be a forge gunner in today's economy.

Nope not gonna see a nerf the forge trend.

There is no need to nerf. The basic forge gun is absolute crap for anything but LAV and infantry, and that usually discourages most from using it

not when you get to higher levels, it kills everything, not even the HAV turrets do that much damage... thus why people complain, cause in reality, both sides damage should be equal, both HAV and AV.

I'd rather see a re-buff to Missiles than a nerf on the Forge.

And I think the Large Missile Turret got hit way harder beyond reason than the Small Turrets have been.