Alright! Let's get some people behind "sky spawning"!! TM

Also, even drop uplink are weird imo. I always thought they were more like antennas pinpointing coordinates for player to drop on a specific location. Thus, being dropped from the sky to the indicated coordinates.

If drop uplinks can be teleportation whatevers then why can't objectives have that technology built into them too?

So are you invisible as you fall from the sky? I know I've seen people shot while falling from their MCC. I'm not saying everyone would be staring up but that once in however many times where you get shot down before you even touch ground wouldn't kitten you off more that the spawn kill already does?

So are you invisible as you fall from the sky? I know I've seen people shot while falling from their MCC. I'm not saying everyone would be staring up but that once in however many times where you get shot down before you even touch ground wouldn't kitten you off more that the spawn kill already does?

So are you invisible as you fall from the sky? I know I've seen people shot while falling from their MCC. I'm not saying everyone would be staring up but that once in however many times where you get shot down before you even touch ground wouldn't kitten you off more that the spawn kill already does?

It would be less annoying, because it's a skill shot instead of a lucky, "right place, right time" situation where they didn't have to put any effort in.

Also, part of the suggestion is for limited freedom of movement while falling, so it wouldn't necessarily be a straight-line drop like it is now.

With the current system, you have about a second of controlled airtime, then you go into a "freefall" mode where you can't control your descent at all. I want that to change. You don't have FULL control, but it would be enough to throw someone's aim off.

When you hit the Inertia Dampener, you fall faster, but you lose that limited control over your fall. Harder target in one sense but easier in another.

Maybe ... spawn cannon?
MCC lanucher that you can select and lauch yourself to the battlefield (Live cannon bal ;)

Or maybe...
Disgruntled, bald, Sayian warriors with moustaches grosser than Bennet's from Commando, fly around the battlefield and plant our gene seeds so we can hatch from the ground like furiously green, bulbous headed saibamen of death? We gain the option to self destruct on any unfortunate Yamcha's that are too close to our spawn point.
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Just sayin', anything is better than what we have. The drop links are okay, but it's really tough to find an advantageous spot when enemies can randomly pop up next to your cleverly hidden beacon.
Some spawn highlights for me so far are:
Spawning in front of an enemy's swinging elbow.
Spawning in front of an oncoming jeep(*space jeep).
Spawning on a grenade.
Spawning in the path of a dropship missle x8.
Spawning in front of three or more enemies x14.
Selecting "default spawn point" to avoid getting spawn trapped with my team near the CRU, only to spawn on the CRU x3.

Really...?
I can't really see that being very viable, to be honest. More than anything, this game seems to be about range. Snipers forced to camp from a mile away to stay out of AR range. High tier AR proto builds out ranging regular AR. HMG getting out ranged by AR. Very rarely do I actually have a close range fire fight. This game seems to revolve around the mid to long range.

Unless the self destruct has a mile radius ;)

Almost all the matches I've played have been dominated by codewish/killswitch teams or dual dropships. I can usually travel the map safely - I know how to use cover and skirt the edges to flank, but when it comes to an actual fire fight I find they always occurr at range. I hardly even see shotgun shock troopers - which is surprising considering the shotgun's strength*

I'm still not sold on any kind of idea like this. If we need objectives or Drop Uplinks as coordinate points to perform a "spawn", how do you figure it would be able to put you up in the air like that?

That's just from an in-game lore standpoint. I'm not sure if any of you were in the earliest builds of Planetside 2, but I can pointedly recall the Instant Action system in that game, and how my outfit would take a base, but Flak MAXes on the roof, and just shoot down all the drop pods. Dropping in from the sky sounds cool until you try to put it into practice. As we all know, the inertial canceller does nothing to stop you from being shot, and having people spawn in from the sky even in Ambush matches where it would be randomized would just leave good marksman with easy airborne prey.

And you're making the same assumption of uncontrolled freefall that has already been debunked.

Make it so while you're NOT running the inertia dampener, you can alter the direction you're falling in. Not massively, but a small amount. And when you hit the dampener, you should speed up by enough to potentially throw off a shooter's aim.

Also, other games have successfully implemented drop spawns.

As for how they work, that was also covered in my OP.

Drop Uplinks are described in lore as a wormhole system. NULL Cannons are objectives you can spawn on, and there are also fixed spawn locations and CRUs. In the MCC it's reasonable to assume you're spawning in an on-board CRU, so the same "spawn at this location" rules apply to both. Being wormhole tech and not just a "beacon" for you to drop onto, Uplinks are effectively a teleporter if you work with the existing lore for the game.

Only the starting spawn point(s) and objective spawns will spawn you in the sky, and all they have to do is the simple method of setting a spawn location ABOVE the battlefield instead of at ground level, and adjust the freefall mechanics (which could use some work anyway, because having 0 control after only 1m of falling is pretty awkward).

See, I'm actually not making that assumption. Those pods were originally able to deviate from their initial landing point to a far greater degree, and it never did anything to help them. I think you could get a good 100 meters in any direction after initially spawning in the pod, but it wouldn't save you from Flak equipped infantry aiming up. You can't shoot at players falling to the ground in Section 8, for example, you can only hit them with Flak turrets which are on objectives you don't own or can be deployed by any player with enough resources. That's not the way Dust works.

In every game I've played or seen with drop pods (which are different from freefall in your Dropsuit in DUST, by the way), you have a decent SPEED of lateral movement, but not very much PRECISION - once you've set yourself in motion in a particular direction, you can't change it easily. What I was thinking of is SLOWER horizontal movement, but with more CONTROL over the fall. you can't move back and forth quickly, but you can CHANGE DIRECTION sharply to throw off a shooter's aim.

Keep in mind that snipers won't be firing hitscan insta-kill bullets after the next update. If you change course slightly as a distant sniper is shooting, they're going to miss because of the travel time. If you hit the Inertia Dampener and that changes your fall speed as I've suggested, they're going to miss because they've worked the bullet drop out based on your speed before the dampener kicked in. Basically, there won't be any weapon that can just point-and-click kill you. As you change direction, people will need to track you effectively AND anticipate the direction changes and lead their shots based on pure guesswork.

Hitting a player walking (not even moving at full NON-sprint speed) in an irregular zigzag pattern is difficult enough when you're not just point-and-click hitscanning the target. Imagine that while they're zigzagging back and forth slowly, they're ALSO moving downward at freefall speeds. it's NOT going to make you an easy target.

See, I'm actually not making that assumption. Those pods were originally able to deviate from their initial landing point to a far greater degree, and it never did anything to help them. I think you could get a good 100 meters in any direction after initially spawning in the pod, but it wouldn't save you from Flak equipped infantry aiming up. You can't shoot at players falling to the ground in Section 8, for example, you can only hit them with Flak turrets which are on objectives you don't own or can be deployed by any player with enough resources. That's not the way Dust works.

And what flak canons do we have in Dust?
Also, think about the number of suits dropping in. In ambush, each team has 80 stock. If one team completely dominates the other, we might look at a 40:0. That would mean there was a total of 60 casualties. If the match took 15 minutes to complete, that would mean a suit dropped in every 7 seconds. If a sniper is picking off that many people as the hurtle from space, than he deserves it!

Now... What happens when a suit drops on an enemy, or even an enemy vehicle?

It would be less annoying, because it's a skill shot instead of a lucky, "right place, right time" situation where they didn't have to put any effort in.

Also, part of the suggestion is for limited freedom of movement while falling, so it wouldn't necessarily be a straight-line drop like it is now.

With the current system, you have about a second of controlled airtime, then you go into a "freefall" mode where you can't control your descent at all. I want that to change. You don't have FULL control, but it would be enough to throw someone's aim off.

When you hit the Inertia Dampener, you fall faster, but you lose that limited control over your fall. Harder target in one sense but easier in another.

Wave spawning would harm one of the mechanics that encourages players to wait for a revive instead of just bleeding out as soon as they go down though.

Waiting for a revive means shorter respawn time. Without that encouragement, you're going to see less players - particularly blueberries - willing to hold on a few seconds to maybe get revived. it's not a sure thing, but it means less of a delay when they spawn.

Well, Dust kind of has it backwards. Dust, you die, select respawn(or wait for a revive), go to your overview map and options, select respawn again, then wait for the countdown to enter the game.

Imagine a system similar to Battlefield. You die, the countdown to respawn begins(you may get revived during this time), you enter overview map/options screen and may deploy instantly.

Again, though, snipers aren't the issue. We may not have Flak, but we do have hitscan full-auto weapons. And that's not even accounting for the Laser Rifle, which I've been burned off the back of a speeding LAV with more than once, and from a 90 degree angle no less. If we already have players that can do that reliably, no matter how much range of motion you have when you drop in, quite a few people are going to get burned on their way down with no way to avoid it. The same goes for ARs with Sharpshooter skill, and some other ARs may even have longer ranges than the plasma based ones we have right now. I think keeping ground spawns and focusing on a system that spawns you near allies or at the very least away from enemies is a better idea, as it puts your boots on the ground immediately while solving the only real issue with the current system, that being getting gunned down either soon after spawn or before you can even move. I would imagine getting gunned down in the air would be found to be far more annoying for debatable gain.

Still would love.

Another good counter to spawn camping is waves. Rather then players respawning one by one, all presently waiting in a queue spawn at the same time.

Maybe if you combine that with sky spawning, players could launch out of dropships like in the trailer. Just imagine them flying around in sky out of reach, Cloaking in, making routes to the different spawning points and cloaking back out.

They have something very similar to this in Starhawk (another game I play) and it is awesome, but it does cause some problems with map design because any roofs or overhangs perminently prevent people from spawning under them.

Spawning from the air for objectives and random spawning would be excellent, but only if we get a bit of air control based on our mass.

Would also be nice to start the descent cloaked and when you start air controlling or inertia stabilizing you break cloak, that way your location can't be tracked, and adding a bit of risk v reward to the whole mechanic.

This needs to be in the game. NOW.
Did you get the idea of sky spawning from section 8:prejudice?

Limited control while falling was a core part of the suggestion in the first place, so we're agreed on that much. I hadn't even thought about different mass changing your mobility while falling, though - great idea!

I also quite like the cloaking suggestion. That would also be useful.


Section 8, Starhawk, Warhammer 40,000, the old trailer for DUST 514 that's being used as an intro video in the beta, and the falling and Inertia Dampener mechanics.

Bits and pieces of the idea came from a variety of sources.

did you get any feedback on your idea from devs ? It's worth poking Wang on tweeter to know more.
Personnaly, i'm fond of this first for the "makes more sense" part of it than just appearing out of nowhere.

And then, it's also a nice fix for terrible spawn. At least this way, you get a chance at seeing what you're getting in.

Bump! and +1 to aerial spawning.

They have something very similar to this in Starhawk (another game I play) and it is awesome...

Now... What happens when a suit drops on an enemy, or even an enemy vehicle?

Gameplay: Section 8 Prejudice
Narrator/Commentator: Total Halibut

This video shows how I think this game should have spawns. AA might have to be implemented in order to preserve balance but I loved this system and every time I died in this game, I never attributed it to poor spawning.

Also, a side note, this game also runs on Unreal Engine 3, so I don't think it would be hard to implement.

Now remember, I don't think everything from this game should be carried over and DUST should be a clone of this game. All I'm focusing on is the spawn system only.

Funny, I posted something about it yesterday.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=47429&find=unread

Sent you a +1.

... we're supposedly going to be getting an auto-destruct module that explodes when you die. So that's coming.

Thanks, tho it would be even better if you post so it doesn't get buried.

Just bumping this, and letting you know I'll do the same for your thread

Thanks, tho it would be even better if you post so it doesn't get buried.

starhawk does this

What's all this talk about hitscan stuff? You make it sound worse than CoD auto aim. Sometimes I feel like I have a different version of the beta. I find the aiming in this to be incredibly difficult. Sniping is near impossible(I get a lot of misses when my reticle is red, or that blue shield thingy), tracking a moving target is ridiculous, I can be on top of somebody and not hit the broad side of a space barn with my hip fire. I chalk this all up to beta, though.
I didn't mean to sound catty there, I just want to know what the hitscan is all about.

WE WANT TO RAIN DOWN FROM THE SKY LIKE TINY METAL BUNDLES OF DEATH!!!!

Drop Uplinks should remain as they are - wormhole-based clone teleportation. CRUs, for obvious reasons, spawn you straight out of a ground-based installation.

But any "default" spawn, including spawning on an objective in a Skirmish battle, or the randomised spawns in Ambush, should spawn us high ABOVE the battlefield.

In addition, whether spawning or just jumping off something stupidly high, we should be able to guide our descent - but only within certain limits - as long as we don't activate the Inertial Dampener. When it triggers, you lose control, but you can wait until you're pretty close to the ground before hitting it.

Spawns will be safer, the specific spawn location will be randomised (or sequential), but players will, as we fall, have some measure of control over our landing point. More importantly, we'll have AWARENESS of the situation we're dropping into. If there are enemies on the ground, WE CAN SEE THEM, and try to manoeuvre somewhere that won't disadvantage us too severely.

I still don't see any issue with our current spawning system if its implemented to prefer areas with friendlies and low enemy concentration. As far as spawning on "hard spawns" like Drop Uplinks and CRUs, there should be the risk of someone camping it.

If nothing else, if you zoom in the map view all the way, you can see little glimmering dots on the map for each player thanks to how oddly shiny our armor is.

WE WANT TO RAIN DOWN FROM THE SKY LIKE TINY METAL BUNDLES OF DEATH!!!!

Drop Uplinks should remain as they are - wormhole-based clone teleportation. CRUs, for obvious reasons, spawn you straight out of a ground-based installation.

But any "default" spawn, including spawning on an objective in a Skirmish battle, or the randomised spawns in Ambush, should spawn us high ABOVE the battlefield.

In addition, whether spawning or just jumping off something stupidly high, we should be able to guide our descent - but only within certain limits - as long as we don't activate the Inertial Dampener. When it triggers, you lose control, but you can wait until you're pretty close to the ground before hitting it.

Spawns will be safer, the specific spawn location will be randomised (or sequential), but players will, as we fall, have some measure of control over our landing point. More importantly, we'll have AWARENESS of the situation we're dropping into. If there are enemies on the ground, WE CAN SEE THEM, and try to manoeuvre somewhere that won't disadvantage us too severely.

This would be a rip off and possible copyright infringement of a game named Section 8.

Given the topic, please read this link, substitute the word "Steak" for "Clone":
http://what-if.xkcd.com/28/
Also watch Felix Baumgarten's recent drop to see how low a jump from 39KM takes, and considering that EvE ships (including the warbarge?) cannot reach the atmosphere, you'd be jumping from at least 100KM.

^good idea.


Only problem? People's impatience. Thanks to ADHD generating games like CoD, players these days get pretty fidgety when they have to wait 10 seconds to respawn. Imagine thirty seconds? I personally don't mind waiting, but average players hate it.
Still, I think launching spawns in waves would be cool, though.

I tend to agree. especially regarding spawns nearby main objectives.. We just spawn out of thin air with no justification whatsoever...

Also, even drop uplink are weird imo. I always thought they were more like antennas pinpointing coordinates for player to drop on a specific location. Thus, being dropped from the sky to the indicated coordinates.

WE WANT TO RAIN DOWN FROM THE SKY LIKE TINY METAL BUNDLES OF DEATH!!!!

Drop Uplinks should remain as they are - wormhole-based clone teleportation. CRUs, for obvious reasons, spawn you straight out of a ground-based installation.

But any "default" spawn, including spawning on an objective in a Skirmish battle, or the randomised spawns in Ambush, should spawn us high ABOVE the battlefield.

In addition, whether spawning or just jumping off something stupidly high, we should be able to guide our descent - but only within certain limits - as long as we don't activate the Inertial Dampener. When it triggers, you lose control, but you can wait until you're pretty close to the ground before hitting it.

Spawns will be safer, the specific spawn location will be randomised (or sequential), but players will, as we fall, have some measure of control over our landing point. More importantly, we'll have AWARENESS of the situation we're dropping into. If there are enemies on the ground, WE CAN SEE THEM, and try to manoeuvre somewhere that won't disadvantage us too severely.

THIS


Get some more DROP out of those dropsuits.
Also makes you wanna keep an eye on that sky.
Dont wanna have some Heavy dropping on top of you.
And usefull for those low profile scouts to drop behind enemy lines.

Although i do think there should be some degree of restrictions as to WHERE one could drop :/

I still want to fall from the sky.

I tend to agree. especially regarding spawns nearby main objectives.. We just spawn out of thin air with no justification whatsoever...

Also, even drop uplink are weird imo. I always thought they were more like antennas pinpointing coordinates for player to drop on a specific location. Thus, being dropped from the sky to the indicated coordinates.

I actually think Drop Uplinks should behave the same and use Sky Spawning. You are wormholed / teleported / warped 1000 meters above the uplink and fall the rest of the way. Ensures you don't appear partially inside a wall and gives you situational awareness. Would make them more believable than "Poof, he just appeared next to me" and harder to spawn camp.

Plus, activating the Inertial Dampener is adrenaline pumping and so wasted on jumps from the MCC. Falling from the sky needs to get you into the heat of battle, cause right now you hit the ground going "f*** yeah!" then sigh and have to hoof it for a minute cause no one is around you.

Also, maybe a special Prototype Drop Uplink allows you to spawn directly on top of it, since it's Prototype tech. Everything else, you're dropping in from above.

Instead of the "poof", perhaps create a visual effect of the exit end of the WH when they use it.

Dont wanna have some Heavy dropping on top of you.

When I first saw the trailer with the Amarr heavies dropping into battle, I thought all spawns would start this way. I agree that only random spawns and objective spawning should have this like you said. Also add an option that automatically activates inertia dampener when you spawn only, not when jumping off stuff like the MCC or buildings. This OPTION would stop people from accidental deaths resulting from lag or spawning glitches.

Suits have built in systems for falling, and breathing already, getting shot or seen on your way down is just the risk you have to take. It's much harder to see someone who hasn't activated inertia dampener so just wait to last second in that case. (Doesn't really matter in Skirmish since most people can't see you, or they know where your coming from; but still kinda fun to see how low you can get before activation. Also they could make you activate dampener earlier depending on how far you have fallen, otherwise risking taking damage.

While generally I'm for the option of Sky Spawning... I have to ask how. Everything in this game is based on lore of some kind and assets. The only ship we have over any particular battlefield is the War Barge. But we wont always have said warbarge. At the moment, you can spawn in, and drop from the MCC, that is essentially 'Sky Spawning' with a manual twist, as you have to jump.

The spawn in the base, that is simply unrealistic, and should have a CRU, or other mechanic behind it to retain it.

If you want Sky Spawning, have a dedicated Dropship pilot flying over the battlefield with a Mobile CRU. Its the way it should happen, you do it yourself, rather than some random non-existent AI element that miraculously 'drops' you where you want to be on the battlefield.

What is wrong with keeping a war barge? Come up with some lore why its there??
Dropping from an MCC, I don't think this is what anyone is talking about in this discussionGǪ
Because...
Spawning in an MCC has nothing to do with an AMBUSH match. This discussion is not only in response to people wanting to fall from the sky, but also to get rid of the non-sense, random, on ground spawning in an AMBUSH match right??

If you are worried about lore and reasoning behind things happening (such as falling from the sky when you spawn)
what is the lore or reasoning behind spawning out of thin air on a battle field no where near a worm hole or CRU??

Pick and choose which things are supported by lore and reasoning? I say pick falling from the sky out of no where, instead of spawning on the ground in front of bullets, out of no where....

#just sayin

I wont disagree with you there on most points.. but these matches, especially instant matches, would require how many Warbarges.. especially if they are player-owned, jumping your Warbarge all over the Universe to fight in Instant Battles would be simply unrealistic, and in these 16 V. 16 Matches, you could potentially have 32 Warbarges over this tiny tiny tiny map... If you jumped from yours, you'd be just as likely to splat onto someone else's Warbarge as hit the ground.

I don't think you read between the lines on what I was trying to get at in my post. This is probably my fault.
Let me simplify this for you.

If the developers aren't worried about coming up with lore, or a reason for why mercs are spawning out of no where in the middle of a battle out of nothing....
Why should it matter if there is a war barge, not owned by anyone, not costing anyone any money, that ISNT REALLY THERE, its no ones asset. ONE war barge, just like the MCC, that we all fall from....

There is really no reason why this can't happen... You are never really in the barge, it is only there for the visuals... A merc syncs with his clone while already falling from the sky, while already in the planets atmosphere.

It's already been stated by CCP that the Barge will be more than 'just visuals' in the future. They will be player owned, and to some extent, operated. They are an Asset, as will the MCC...

Currently, yes, the spawn mechanic is off... but you could just as easily say that 'Ambush' area maps are inherently unstable Space-time locations and are spawning random micro-wormholes that us mercs have learned how to tap into. Or for an ambush map, they place a micro-wormhole generator in orbit, focused on a specific site.

The mechanic of Sky Spawning, while an awesome idea, isn't covered by lore in any way shape or form using the 'Instant Battle mechanics'. As I stated above, do it manually, by getting your squad to spawn in, and drop from, a Dropship fitted with a Mobile CRU.

I guess my main point isn't getting across...

The Real Issues:

1.) Mercs do not want to spawn randomly on the ground for no reason. (maybe CCP can release a background story to make this at least make sense)

2.) Mercs do not like the fact that an ememy can engage them, before they can defend themselves.

3.) Mercs want to fall from the sky and use their inertia like they show in this trailer (at 1:30)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI53ydJaus8

With these three key things combined, We need to find a spawn system that makes these possible all at once.
By making the merc able to position his body or choose which direction he will be facing when he is coming down from the sky, you get a split second of advantage over the enemy on the ground. With some sort of claoking device while you are coming down, the merc gets an even better advantage.

Finding what works best and makes the most sense is what is most important.

Okay, well that definitely covers the lore on why mercs spawn out of thin air, on the ground, in random locations. That makes perfect sense. Maybe if CCP wants to get people to stop debating why they spawn randomly in enemy fire they should use that explaination. I will give you that. Perfect idea and response to that issue.

Now...
What about the fact that no one likes that?? No one wants that. It sucks.
What about the ****** situation where your clone can take fire before you can move?
Don't you think there should be SOMETHING done about this?

I like killing someone that has no chance at firing on me and defending himself as much as the next guy, but don't you think that there can be something done about this?

I understand that there are dropships with CRUs. I understand that there are drop upinks (I drop them more than anyone I know.)

But the question still remains... Is there any way to implement a sky spawn that makes sense in an 'Ambush" style battle?

Clearly you think that my ideas do not work. Do you have any, or do you think that it isn't something that could ever be done, because of the lore/story limitations and asset/ownership limitations??

This suggestion needs to be realized.

I want to fall from the sky

Thank Kageshi, he's the one who remembered.

Seriously though, I do not want to randomly be appearing on the battlefield. The cloak worked mechanics-wise, but it makes no sense whatsoever.

DISCUSS MY MINIONS (no but like please)

WE WANT TO RAIN DOWN FROM THE SKY LIKE TINY METAL BUNDLES OF DEATH!!!!

Drop Uplinks should remain as they are - wormhole-based clone teleportation. CRUs, for obvious reasons, spawn you straight out of a ground-based installation.

But any "default" spawn, including spawning on an objective in a Skirmish battle, or the randomised spawns in Ambush, should spawn us high ABOVE the battlefield.

In addition, whether spawning or just jumping off something stupidly high, we should be able to guide our descent - but only within certain limits - as long as we don't activate the Inertial Dampener. When it triggers, you lose control, but you can wait until you're pretty close to the ground before hitting it.

Spawns will be safer, the specific spawn location will be randomised (or sequential), but players will, as we fall, have some measure of control over our landing point. More importantly, we'll have AWARENESS of the situation we're dropping into. If there are enemies on the ground, WE CAN SEE THEM, and try to manoeuvre somewhere that won't disadvantage us too severely.

INB4 tears for getting shot by the objective cannons as you decend.

Also this wont work for internal objectives...

great idea but just one question..

what if the player forgets to press x?

Then you die? I don't understand the question, you have like 5 seconds to realise you're falling.

What if you're a heavy with 1200+ HP?

We should be able to spawn anywhere on the map, but it should be anti-air installations that shoots down mercs falling down in the areas where the AA are active (should b represented by red circle)

What if you're a heavy with 1200+ HP?

They tried this in Starhawk.

It didn't work.

You were easy to camp and observant players will know EXACTLY where you are with a sniper rifle or other power weapon fixed on you.

Also, the sky spawning idea further alienates Dropships who decide to use MCRUs or people using Logistics Dropships.

-1

Then you die anyway... you die no matter what dropsuit you use, if you forget to hit X for some reason.

How about being launched from the warbarge?

Dropship + Mobile CRU = Sky Spawn

It's been over a year since this thread began.

But it is a horrible idea...Spawning out of the sky either randomly or placed entirely interrupts the flow of combat. To imagine a domination game where the enemy team is spawning on top of the buildings and directly on the objective takes no planning on anyone who would actually do so and there would be no strategic way to defend against it.

Assuming you never read beyond the title of the thread, this is a great point.

Of course, if you actually read the OP, you'd have noticed that attempted argument is countered by my proposal for how the system would work.

You would still have designated spawn locations as you do now. The difference would be that some of your spawn areas allow you to spawn above the battlefield instead of on the ground. You wouldn't be able to randomly sky spawn behind enemy lines without having control of a sky spawn location behind enemy lines (thus making it NOT behind enemy lines). You wouldn't be able to sky spawn on top of an objective unless your team already controls it. Drop Uplinks are described in-game as using wormhole technology, so they wouldn't be sky spawns. CRUs are full of clones, so you can just step out without needing to sky spawn on them. A new structure could be implemented that would be a sky spawning beacon, and they might be able to implement a deployable version of the same tech for player-created sky spawn areas.

The only time where you'd be sky spawning "randomly" would be in Ambush matches where you spawn randomly - now you'd spawn in the air and drop onto the battlefield when using the default spawn option. In one of the patches post-Uprising, they've already increased the amount of control players have while in free-fall, that could do with being increased slightly more. Another suggestion I made later in the thread was to make the Inertia Dampener speed up your fall at the cost of that ability to control your fall direction. By making those changes, CCP would allow for Sky Spawning to be an effective tactical approach.

Add in the fact that some Null Cannon controls are indoors or otherwise protected from above, and there would be a good excuse for an extra set of models - some with a built in wormhole spawning system, and others with sky spawn beacons.

It's not just "for effect" though.

Sky Spawning would help with the initial spawn-camping problem, which IS still a problem even with the cloaking we're being given at the moment. In locations where you sky spawn, you would have some measure of control over where you land, and that much extra time to see what you're spawning into.

I'm not going to deny your opinion's merit, but I do find it interesting, and the 100+ likes on the first post suggest that quite a few other people like it as well.

It's not just "for effect" though.

Sky Spawning would help with the initial spawn-camping problem, which IS still a problem even with the cloaking we're being given at the moment. In locations where you sky spawn, you would have some measure of control over where you land, and that much extra time to see what you're spawning into.

I'm not going to deny your opinion's merit, but I do find it interesting, and the 100+ likes on the first post suggest that quite a few other people like it as well.

I wud like to point out that some objectives are in buildings and that when to hit ground you are vulnerable for a sec or 2 and whalla! free uplinks on buildings! and shotgun camping! not good idea srry

I wud like to point out that some objectives are in buildings

and that when to hit ground you are vulnerable for a sec or 2 and whalla! free uplinks on buildings! and shotgun camping! not good idea srry

I would like to point out that this has already been addressed within the original proposal I made, and referenced multiple times throughout the thread since that point when people have brought the same point up without actually reading the first post.

Objective which are indoors would have CRUs - either built into the objective or nearby. UNCOVERED objectives would become sky spawn locations.


So you get "free" uplinks on buildings, but you're vulnerable for a second or two before you can deploy them, making them not free. And you're seriously worried about people camping on rooftops with SHOTGUNS? Really? Do you even know the range on a Shotgun in DUST? You're lucky to hit a guy on the ground next to you if you're on even a single storey building.

Part of the proposal is to increase the amount of control players have during freefall, so you can shift your landing point by a decent margin when you choose a sky spawn.

): is it really that hard? Just a dev response?

I would fully support adding this as an option for spawns but it should not replace the default methods as being forced into using it has too many potentially exploitable tactical drawbacks.

Additionally spawn in awareness is now greatly improved under Uprising, so while this method could still be fun it's tactical value as an improvement over current practice is somewhat mitigated.

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bump. bring this topic back.