Hi chaps,

There have been a lot of discussion about the changes we made to the strafe speed recently so I decided to lope out of my cave and talk a bit about it.

Firstly, why did we change it? We changed it because we thought that the GÇ£dancingGÇ¥ we were seeing was having a negative impact on the combat experience and, quite frankly, looked a little silly. Whilst we do want movement to be a part of combat, and we do not want static firefights, what we were seeing and experiencing (primarily with the Scout) felt too extreme. Because of this we decided to test slowing some dropsuit strafe speeds to see what the impact it would have.

What did we actually change? Well, the Logistics and Heavy are exactly the same as they were before. There have also been no changes at all to the actual speed of any of the dropsuits when it comes to forwards/backwards movement. Only the Assault and the Scout dropsuits have had tweaks to their strafe speed. The changes to the Assault are quite minor. The Scout however did take a bigger hit.

After testing these changes GÇ£in the wildGÇ¥ with the new improvements to hit detection we feel that hit was too big and are currently testing an update internally with changes to the strafe speed. Once weGÇÖre done testing weGÇÖll roll it out so you can let us know what you think.


CCP Wolfman

unnerf the breach assault rifle

thanks for the update wolfman and please by careful with the strafe buff I like many others don't want scouts to be able to strafe faster then the other suits can turn

Be carefull CCP... We don't want extreme straf... Be a good judge

Let me get this straight. You took a major hit to gameplay (in my opinion), because "it looked silly'? Really? Halo gets away with it. Tribes, Quake, etc. I know I'm being harsh, and I realize that it will change, but come on.

thanks for the update wolfman and please by careful with the strafe buff I like many others don't want scouts to be able to strafe faster then the other suits can turn

Even though I'm a dedicated scout this build, don't put it back, the dancing was painfully silly and unrealistic. Maybe about halfway between now and where it was or a tad less, we do not need shotgun fairies back nor do many people want them (unless that was YOU.....).

I play logi, now I know why I thought all those threads were lies. lol

so my strafe speed is unchanged? I'm not crazy? it was just scout suit players bitching? lol. If you had told us the trust maybe we would of supported it. I mean if anything increase the differences in strafing speed. Don't make the extremes too different, I think scouts should have a bit more speed than me. Just not as much more as before.

I still think it's funny only scouts were nerfed and people though it was the whole game haha

Even though I'm a dedicated scout this build, don't put it back, the dancing was painfully silly and unrealistic. Maybe about halfway between now and where it was or a tad less, we do not need shotgun fairies back nor do many people want them (unless that was YOU.....).

Even though I'm a dedicated scout this build, don't put it back, the dancing was painfully silly and unrealistic. Maybe about halfway between now and where it was or a tad less, we do not need shotgun fairies back nor do many people want them (unless that was YOU.....).

LOL I can imagine how wrong the logi/heavy players must feel.

I play logi, now I know why I thought all those threads were lies. lol

so my strafe speed is unchanged? I'm not crazy? it was just scout suit players bitching? lol. If you had told us the trust maybe we would of supported it. I mean if anything increase the differences in strafing speed. Don't make the extremes too different, I think scouts should have a bit more speed than me. Just not as much more as before.

I still think it's funny only scouts were nerfed and people though it was the whole game haha

Hi chaps,

and we do not want static firefights


CCP Wolfman

Even though I'm a dedicated scout this build, don't put it back, the dancing was painfully silly and unrealistic. Maybe about halfway between now and where it was or a tad less, we do not need shotgun fairies back nor do many people want them (unless that was YOU.....).

I play logi, now I know why I thought all those threads were lies. lol

so my strafe speed is unchanged? I'm not crazy? it was just scout suit players bitching? lol. If you had told us the trust maybe we would of supported it. I mean if anything increase the differences in strafing speed. Don't make the extremes too different, I think scouts should have a bit more speed than me. Just not as much more as before.

I still think it's funny only scouts were nerfed and people though it was the whole game haha

Thank you Wolfman. In future, if it looks silly, remember, it's probably quite good fun :P
I look forward to it.

Who cares about aiming, I'm getting my dancing shoes. YAY :D

thanks for the update wolfman and please by careful with the strafe buff I like many others don't want scouts to be able to strafe faster then the other suits can turn

Who cares about aiming, I'm getting my dancing shoes. YAY :D

Yea back to spray and pray once again


Anyway fix my tanks & AV CCP

----xxxx--I'M GOING TO HAPPY FEET ALL OVER YOUR FACES!!---XXX---

Really caps werz needed I'm soo happy right now.

Hi chaps,

There have been a lot of discussion about the changes we made to the strafe speed recently so I decided to lope out of my cave and talk a bit about it.

Firstly, why did we change it? We changed it because we thought that the GÇ£dancingGÇ¥ we were seeing was having a negative impact on the combat experience and, quite frankly, looked a little silly. Whilst we do want movement to be a part of combat, and we do not want static firefights, what we were seeing and experiencing (primarily with the Scout) felt too extreme. Because of this we decided to test slowing some dropsuit strafe speeds to see what the impact it would have.

What did we actually change? Well, the Logistics and Heavy are exactly the same as they were before. There have also been no changes at all to the actual speed of any of the dropsuits when it comes to forwards/backwards movement. Only the Assault and the Scout dropsuits have had tweaks to their strafe speed. The changes to the Assault are quite minor. The Scout however did take a bigger hit.

After testing these changes GÇ£in the wildGÇ¥ with the new improvements to hit detection we feel that hit was too big and are currently testing an update internally with changes to the strafe speed. Once weGÇÖre done testing weGÇÖll roll it out so you can let us know what you think.


CCP Wolfman

Disagree, if a scout manages to get in close enough to a heavy then he should be able to out strafe him. A scout has about 200 hp, if a heavy can track him at ultra close range, what's the point in using a scout. Secondly, what's the point in using anything other than a heavy? The heavies advantage is he has masses of firepower and masses of hp. The scouts is that he can run into the heavies kill zone more swiftly, hardly seems fair.

Disagree, if a scout manages to get in close enough to a heavy then he should be able to out strafe him. A scout has about 200 hp, if a heavy can track him at ultra close range, what's the point in using a scout. Secondly, what's the point in using anything other than a heavy? The heavies advantage is he has masses of firepower and masses of hp. The scouts is that he can run into the heavies kill zone more swiftly, hardly seems fair.

Because scouts are snipers not CQC.

Disagree, if a scout manages to get in close enough to a heavy then he should be able to out strafe him. A scout has about 200 hp, if a heavy can track him at ultra close range, what's the point in using a scout. Secondly, what's the point in using anything other than a heavy? The heavies advantage is he has masses of firepower and masses of hp. The scouts is that he can run into the heavies kill zone more swiftly, hardly seems fair.

Let me get this straight. You took a major hit to gameplay (in my opinion), because "it looked silly'? Really? Halo gets away with it. Tribes, Quake, etc. I know I'm being harsh, and I realize that it will change, but come on.

I personally don't want a scout to be able to strafe faster then I can turn at any distance just seems idiotic to me. scouts arn't ment to go toe to toe with a heavy they supost to be snipers and stealthy killers. also they heavies are so friggin slow our hp goes down to 0 before we can sprint to cover most of the time because we sprint as fast as the assault walks -.- . lots of reasons not to use the heavy suit. unless CCP changed the idea of the scout suit from those vids a bunch of years ago then scouts shouldn't be a strafing faster then you can turn monster. I'd be fine if they sprint past me and keep doing that but none of this circling faster then I can turn. just my opinion yes I run a heavy most of the time. and yes I've been here for I think 4 builds and have seen most stages of the strafe speed and think a minor buff would be in order for the scouts.

Fun > Realism
Especially when some EvE lore master can just make up some BS and suddenly it's realistic. Like inertial dampeners.
My face when I read OP
:D

So let's just make the guns shoot sticks of liquid butter, and enemies can summon giant octopus mounts that can poison people and jump from one end of the map to the other. That's fun, right?

Anytime I see someone say what a suit fit "should be" I pretty much tune the rest out. What you "should be" should only be determined by your weapon/mods, not the suit you choose... While I am sure you have your opinion on what it "should be" the reality is that you "should be" able to use any suit for anything you want. The suit is simply a preference, it's what you put on the suit and the weapon you wield that decides how you "should" use it.

So let's just make the guns shoot sticks of liquid butter, and enemies can summon giant octopus mounts that can poison people and jump from one end of the map to the other. That's fun, right?

it will be good now that if a scout gets in a heavy's face it has a chance rather than being forced to run and get shot in the back or attempt to dodge shots and end up taking a single round and die.

Yes, you could do that... I did say fun though, not down right ridiculous.

How is a giant octopus mount any more ridiculous than dancing back and forth like you're Michael Jackson on crack? CCP did say they thought the strafing looked downright silly, after all.

Yes, you could do that... I did say fun though, not down right ridiculous.

Unrealistic you understand that half the ideas that make up Eve and DUST are UNREALISTIC !

Some people like to over exaggerate. There is absolutely nothing "realistic" about Dust 514 yet people always want to use "realism" as an argument. Interstellar space travel with FTL drives is unrealistic and far from even being realized. Clones that can transfer thought memories etc... unrealistic. The only thing "realistic" about Dust514 is one guy shoots another guy but with unrealistic weaponry.

then they should remove the scout suit.

if manuverability looks silly remove it comepletly don't leave it lying around and say it's "stealthy" when it isn't at all.

I personally don't want a scout to be able to strafe faster then I can turn at any distance just seems idiotic to me. scouts arn't ment to go toe to toe with a heavy

It has a place. But moving back and forth is pretty possible IRL. Flying octopus has yet to be seen. Fun > Realism. Go ask in feedback for flying octopus of death. See what happens. Realism has a place. But you can warp what's realistic.

Hi chaps,

There have been a lot of discussion about the changes we made to the strafe speed recently so I decided to lope out of my cave and talk a bit about it.

Firstly, why did we change it? We changed it because we thought that the GÇ£dancingGÇ¥ we were seeing was having a negative impact on the combat experience and, quite frankly, looked a little silly. Whilst we do want movement to be a part of combat, and we do not want static firefights, what we were seeing and experiencing (primarily with the Scout) felt too extreme. Because of this we decided to test slowing some dropsuit strafe speeds to see what the impact it would have.

What did we actually change? Well, the Logistics and Heavy are exactly the same as they were before. There have also been no changes at all to the actual speed of any of the dropsuits when it comes to forwards/backwards movement. Only the Assault and the Scout dropsuits have had tweaks to their strafe speed. The changes to the Assault are quite minor. The Scout however did take a bigger hit.

After testing these changes GÇ£in the wildGÇ¥ with the new improvements to hit detection we feel that hit was too big and are currently testing an update internally with changes to the strafe speed. Once weGÇÖre done testing weGÇÖll roll it out so you can let us know what you think.


CCP Wolfman

I have often wondered why heavies do not have functional hips/neck. I do understand why it may take time swinging those big guns around though. 50/50 on heavy turn speed. Play with 0-0 sensitivity? Seems ok to me as heavy. Not perfect, but heavies can take a beating.

I play a heavy and I don't care if scouts get a reasonable boost to their strafe speed. However, buff a heavy's turn a bit if scouts are going to get stupid fast. This crap about out strafing a heavy's turn is ridiculous. I can grab my friend's suit of 60 pound armor, take an airsoft AEG in my had and let any one of you, dressed in shorts, try to "dance" up to me within three feet my field of view and try to side step around me. I guarantee you that you won't out circle me and the welts the airsoft BBs will leave will be your guide to your misconception.

Because scouts are snipers not CQC.

I agree with you 100% now someone fit a HMG to my scout suit PRONTO!!!

I also think people are forgetting that the scout suit has the lowest radar profile, I believe that is their best asset. It gets even sneakier with all the modules that help in that aspect.

CRY MOAR MOFOS DA SCOUTS ARE BAK

I feel there is a difference between manueverability and just plain dodging bullets, we're not in the Matrix (though, I think a good amount of us have taken both the red and blue pills). Like I said earlier, halfway between where it is now and where it was in the previous build would be good IMO. That being said, there are players who are just better at fully utilizing different strafing techniques and this shows even in the games being played now. It should require skill and not be accessible to everyone without significant practice or proper use of technique. When a sub-par player like myself can come in and pretend to be Neo or some kung-fu master and dodge 75% of the bullets fired from a submachine gun and three hit kill an assult with a pistol, I know something is up.

if they can't increase the strafe speeds again they need to give dropsuits their old base health back

The reasons for bullets being dodged had nothing to do with the speeds as much as it was the hit detection!

I play a heavy and I don't care if scouts get a reasonable boost to their strafe speed. However, buff a heavy's turn a bit if scouts are going to get stupid fast. This crap about out strafing a heavy's turn is ridiculous. I can grab my friend's suit of 60 pound armor, take an airsoft AEG in my had and let any one of you, dressed in shorts, try to "dance" up to me within three feet my field of view and try to side step around me. I guarantee you that you won't out circle me and the welts the airsoft BBs will leave will be your guide to your misconceptions.

Yes the game is based on Sci-Fi and it not in total compliance to RL. But the game is more hard sci-fi than fantasy sci-fi and I think that's the feel CCP is trying to stay with.

absolutely. our Turn speed is currently abysmal, even worse than the Scout's current strafe speed.

Speed is the Scout dropsuitGÇÖs primary advantage. Combined with a low scan profile, it allows the wearer to move undetected by basic EW equipment and rapidly close in on enemy units if spotted. Armed with a shotgun or module-enhanced nova knife, the Scout is lethal at close-range. Despite being grossly outmatched, skilled Scouts are able to kite the slow-turning Heavy, methodically whittling away its armor while staying out of harmGÇÖs way.

I feel there is a difference between manueverability and just plain dodging bullets, we're not in the Matrix (though, I think a good amount of us have taken both the red and blue pills). Like I said earlier, halfway between where it is now and where it was in the previous build would be good IMO. That being said, there are players who are just better at fully utilizing different strafing techniques and this shows even in the games being played now. It should require skill and not be accessible to everyone without significant practice or proper use of technique. When a sub-par player like myself can come in and pretend to be Neo or some kung-fu master and dodge 75% of the bullets fired from a submachine gun and three hit kill an assult with a pistol, I know something is up.

Scouts are meant to be able to out turn heavies

from a dev blog
DROPSUITS IN DUST 514 PART 2
Reported by ccp cmdr wang


This only works with a lone heavy, it's friend 10m away could easily kill scout. The dancing in stream of bullets from old builds should not return. The accuracy penalty while strafing at high speed could go up, so the scout has to use 2 magazines of smg to eat through heavy's armour. Speaking of armour, heavies should have their armour 800hp back.

The out turn speed tank is from EvE. In EvE, there was a weapon called a smart bomb to counter this. It was a aoe(splash damage) centered on user with few second cool down and unlimited ammo. Like the emp the ships in the matrix had, or the typhoon from Deus Ex: human revolution. Something with the radius, rof, and damage(never hurts user) of mass driver centered on user as a side arm would work well. Since scouts mainly shield tank a em damage would work well on them and be more realistic to have infinite ammo.

EvE also had modules to up turning speed, so a fast turn heavy could be made as a scout trap if we had similar mods.

There is an absolute difference between dodging and avoiding. No suit has ever been able to dodge bullets. Last patch hit detection was shocking and it may have looked like that, but no dodging was done. If your cross hairs are on the hit box when ou fire, then you hit there is no bullet travel time for 95% of weapons in dust