DUST Search - Thoughts on Strafing.

Crimson MoonV wrote:

Tyrus Four wrote:

Crimson MoonV wrote:

Tyrus Four wrote:

I constantly see people saying "camp camp camp".

but the only people i ever see camping are snipers.

are we talking about different definitions of camp here? is camping anything that isn't full-on run and gun in the middle of the desert?

People like to hide in corners and hide behind cover from across the map and camp.

You haven't ever ran into an entire group of people just sitting near one objective waiting for people to come. Blob trench warfare. So boring. Roll

no I haven't.

most everyone who isn't a sniper that I have come across has been on the move or in a vehicle.

no, they haven't been running full-on in the middle of the wide open areas of the battlefield, and yeah they use cover to move without getting shot.

I think you are lying for the sake of arguing or you haven't played this build that much. People camp objectives hard. Especially on the map with all the spikes coming out of the map and the mountains.

People camp hard in this build whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

The strafe speed nerf encourages this.

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DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1902	Posted - 2012.10.15 00:36:00 - [1] - Quote Perhaps they could consider adding a "strafe sprint" that consumes a lot of stamina quickly, but gives you a burst of speed while strafing, though you would be unable to shoot, just like normal sprinting. Aside from that, the pace is actually quite good now. I'd also like to point you to THIS thread, which just discusses the following: (these are just suggestions to get the mind rolling, please don't freak out if you don't agree) Dodge - Allow running while strafing (and list strafe speeds in suit statistics along with turning speeds). Duck - Switching back and forth between a normal run and a low profile run with crouch. Dip - Low profile run (use run command while crouched, disables jump and forces a roll or a tumble at the end of the run before stopping - can only be used when running forward). Dive -Tumble or Roll to end a normal run (while running press the crouch button). Dodge - Jumping while running with strafe causes the user to launch into sideways jump rather than a vertical jump.
Khortez D Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 51	Posted - 2012.10.15 00:38:00 - [2] - Quote that actually sounds like something you would see in DBZ or bleach, the "flash step"
Longshot Ravenwood Algintal Core Gallente Federation 680	Posted - 2012.10.15 00:39:00 - [3] - Quote Give us the 5 d's of Dodgeball514.
Crimson MoonV Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 658	Posted - 2012.10.15 00:42:00 - [4] - Quote Nerfed strafe speed is for people who like to camp. They like the strafe speed slow so they don't get pwned on when they are hiding in a corner. How about yo buy some gun game with all that AUR scrub. BUFF STRAFE SPEED TO DBZ LEVELZ! OVER 9000!!!!!!
Tyrus Four 128	Posted - 2012.10.15 00:44:00 - [5] - Quote I constantly see people saying "camp camp camp". but the only people i ever see camping are snipers. are we talking about different definitions of camp here? is camping anything that isn't full-on run and gun in the middle of the desert?
Crimson MoonV Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 658	Posted - 2012.10.15 00:48:00 - [6] - Quote Tyrus Four wrote: I constantly see people saying "camp camp camp". but the only people i ever see camping are snipers. are we talking about different definitions of camp here? is camping anything that isn't full-on run and gun in the middle of the desert? People like to hide in corners and hide behind cover from across the map and camp. You haven't ever ran into an entire group of people just sitting near one objective waiting for people to come. Blob trench warfare. So boring.
Ignatius Crumwald Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 475	Posted - 2012.10.15 00:49:00 - [7] - Quote Twiki wrote: Vrrt Vrrt Vrrt Vrrt Bede bede bede bede, that's right, Buck. Strafing is fine. Bede bede bede bede Vrrt Vrrt Vrrt Vrrt Wilma Deering wrote: I don't care about strafing, I just think my boobs should be bigger in the heavy suit. Don't mind me, just making my own thread.
Longshot Ravenwood Algintal Core Gallente Federation 680	Posted - 2012.10.15 00:50:00 - [8] - Quote Crimson MoonV wrote: They like the strafe speed slow so they don't get pwned on when they are hiding in a corner. How many strafers does it take to sneak up on a sniper? Two. They both dance around in front of him with their ARs while the guy with the scrambler pistol closes using cover and shoots him in the back of the face-mask. Also, keep your eyes peeled for So You Think You Can Dance514 coming SoonGäó.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1902	Posted - 2012.10.15 00:51:00 - [9] - Quote Longshot Ravenwood wrote: So You Think You Can Dance514 coming SoonGäó. It already came and went, weren't you here for Replication?
Khortez D Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 51	Posted - 2012.10.15 00:51:00 - [10] - Quote just saying, i usually dont even need to dance for a sniper cause they aint payin attention to me

Ignatius Crumwald Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 475	Posted - 2012.10.15 00:54:00 - [11] - Quote Longshot Ravenwood wrote: Crimson MoonV wrote: They like the strafe speed slow so they don't get pwned on when they are hiding in a corner. How many strafers does it take to sneak up on a sniper? Two. They both dance around in front of him with their ARs while the guy with the scrambler pistol closes using cover and shoots him in the back of the face-mask. Also, keep your eyes peeled for So You Think You Can Dance514 coming SoonGäó. That's been cancelled and replaced with So You Think You Can Aim514.
Longshot Ravenwood Algintal Core Gallente Federation 680	Posted - 2012.10.15 00:54:00 - [12] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Longshot Ravenwood wrote: So You Think You Can Dance514 coming SoonGäó. It already came and went, weren't you here for Replication? If that was the build right before the E3 build I only got to play a handful of matches. I do remember a few dance fights, but it always felt like my scrambler pistol had better hit detection than the AR that my opponent was using, even with my god awful aim.
Crimson MoonV Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 658	Posted - 2012.10.15 00:54:00 - [13] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Longshot Ravenwood wrote: So You Think You Can Dance514 coming SoonGäó. It already came and went, weren't you here for Replication? We found out that eve players suck at dancing. It was so awkward watching nerdy eve players trying to dance ccp nerfed the game into what we have today. True story. /thread.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.10.15 00:57:00 - [14] - Quote Crimson MoonV wrote: Tyrus Four wrote: I constantly see people saying "camp camp camp". but the only people i ever see camping are snipers. are we talking about different definitions of camp here? is camping anything that isn't full-on run and gun in the middle of the desert? People like to hide in corners and hide behind cover from across the map and camp. You haven't ever ran into an entire group of people just sitting near one objective waiting for people to come. Blob trench warfare. So boring. FREE KILLS!! HELL YEAH!! I love campers as they are easy kills unless its my lonesome clone trying to kill a tank and theres ten enemy clones camping a tank getting kills then its just get some more distance. As a side note when a group is like that my kills go up versus when everyone is running around and I am running around?? So for the love of Dust please camp!! Either I am learning to play better or my flanking is improving??
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1902	Posted - 2012.10.15 00:57:00 - [15] - Quote Crimson MoonV wrote: It already came and went, weren't you here for Replication? We found out that eve players suck at dancing. It was so awkward watching nerdy eve players trying to dance ccp nerfed the game into what we have today. True story. Having the overall strafe speed torqued up does nothing for the game, unless it rapidly reduces stamina, essentially turning standard strafing into my idea for strafe sprinting. Being able to dance all over the place without penalty is stupid, and only rewards twitchy players that are online 8+ hours a day, every day. I could see being able to quickly burst to either side, but you'd have to fit for stamina if you plan to keep it up. This would primarily be used for quickly ducking behind cover, or as an effort to break an enemies 'lock' on you.
MItt R0mney Doomheim 58	Posted - 2012.10.15 01:00:00 - [16] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: The simple fact of the matter is that the speed is just about right, finally. Perhaps they could consider adding a "strafe sprint" that consumes a lot of stamina quickly, but gives you a burst of speed while strafing, though you would be unable to shoot, just like normal sprinting. Aside from that, the pace is actually quite good now. I still think advanced suits should get just a tiny bit more HP and Shields as they go up in tech, just in smaller increments than before. I think this would also help things out just a little, as you tend to notice this kind of thing when your T2 or whatever suit gets smoked by a militia fit, accident or not. I actually really like this idea. being able to sprint sideways would be really cool. I would even go as far as letting people shoot too. It would give Dust a little niche, gameplay wise. Sprinting while shooting should be in the "final game". I think that would actually be fun.
Crimson MoonV Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 658	Posted - 2012.10.15 01:02:00 - [17] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Crimson MoonV wrote: It already came and went, weren't you here for Replication? We found out that eve players suck at dancing. It was so awkward watching nerdy eve players trying to dance ccp nerfed the game into what we have today. True story. Having the overall strafe speed torqued up does nothing for the game, unless it rapidly reduces stamina, essentially turning standard strafing into my idea for strafe sprinting. Being able to dance all over the place without penalty is stupid, and only rewards twitchy players that are online 8+ hours a day, every day. I could see being able to quickly burst to either side, but you'd have to fit for stamina if you plan to keep it up. This would primarily be used for quickly ducking behind cover, or as an effort to break an enemies 'lock' on you. Wait a minute... People have to play 8+ hours a day to be good tracking targets while strafing? I guess I must be naturally talented because I hardly ever play and I did just fine in past builds. I can stand up right now and strafe faster back and forth then I can in dust for an hour before I get tired. Your stamina argument makes no sense at all considering we are super soldiers from the future.
Ignatius Crumwald Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 475	Posted - 2012.10.15 01:03:00 - [18] - Quote Idea Time! Rocket Rollerskates Huh? Yeah? How about it? You like that? The enemy could be all, "Vrooom!", and then you could be like "Whoosh!"
Crimson MoonV Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 658	Posted - 2012.10.15 01:04:00 - [19] - Quote Ignatius Crumwald wrote: Idea Time! Rocket Rollerskates Huh? Yeah? How about it? You like that? The enemy could be all, "Vrooom!", and then you could be like "Whoosh!" I support this.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.10.15 01:06:00 - [20] - Quote Crimson MoonV wrote: HIGH strafe speed is for people who like to camp. They like the strafe speed HIGH so they don't get pwned on when they are hiding in a corner. How about yo buy some gun game with all that AUR scrub. Now what you said makes a bit more sense. Camping shotgun scout chipmunks on meth from Replication build. HELL NO!!!! Good bye to the 500 shots to kill and finish with several SMG clips for a SINGLE KILL!!!............BAH!!! I have no gungame but I do not! want to go back to the days of just strafe, strafe NEOdodgers to get kills.

Tyrus Four 128	Posted - 2012.10.15 01:07:00 - [21] - Quote Crimson MoonV wrote: Tyrus Four wrote: I constantly see people saying "camp camp camp". but the only people i ever see camping are snipers. are we talking about different definitions of camp here? is camping anything that isn't full-on run and gun in the middle of the desert? People like to hide in corners and hide behind cover from across the map and camp. You haven't ever ran into an entire group of people just sitting near one objective waiting for people to come. Blob trench warfare. So boring. no I haven't. most everyone who isn't a sniper that I have come across has been on the move or in a vehicle. no, they haven't been running full-on in the middle of the wide open areas of the battlefield, and yeah they use cover to move without getting shot.
Longshot Ravenwood Algintal Core Gallente Federation 680	Posted - 2012.10.15 01:08:00 - [22] - Quote Crimson MoonV wrote: Ignatius Crumwald wrote: Idea Time! Rocket Rollerskates Huh? Yeah? How about it? You like that? The enemy could be all, "Vrooom!", and then you could be like "Whoosh!" I support this. MTACs coming soonGäó. I can't wait to try an afterburner on one.
Khortez D Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 51	Posted - 2012.10.15 01:08:00 - [23] - Quote if not strafing, how about diving? someone's already mentioned this i believe. it of course would take a lot of stamina to do, and i feel it would still serve the purpose of avoiding lock-on
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.10.15 01:09:00 - [24] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Crimson MoonV wrote: It already came and went, weren't you here for Replication? We found out that eve players suck at dancing. It was so awkward watching nerdy eve players trying to dance ccp nerfed the game into what we have today. True story. Having the overall strafe speed torqued up does nothing for the game, unless it rapidly reduces stamina, essentially turning standard strafing into my idea for strafe sprinting. Being able to dance all over the place without penalty is stupid, and only rewards twitchy players that are online 8+ hours a day, every day. I could see being able to quickly burst to either side, but you'd have to fit for stamina if you plan to keep it up. This would primarily be used for quickly ducking behind cover, or as an effort to break an enemies 'lock' on you. Agreed.
Crimson MoonV Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 658	Posted - 2012.10.15 01:16:00 - [25] - Quote Tyrus Four wrote: Crimson MoonV wrote: Tyrus Four wrote: I constantly see people saying "camp camp camp". but the only people i ever see camping are snipers. are we talking about different definitions of camp here? is camping anything that isn't full-on run and gun in the middle of the desert? People like to hide in corners and hide behind cover from across the map and camp. You haven't ever ran into an entire group of people just sitting near one objective waiting for people to come. Blob trench warfare. So boring. no I haven't. most everyone who isn't a sniper that I have come across has been on the move or in a vehicle. no, they haven't been running full-on in the middle of the wide open areas of the battlefield, and yeah they use cover to move without getting shot. I think you are lying for the sake of arguing or you haven't played this build that much. People camp objectives hard. Especially on the map with all the spikes coming out of the map and the mountains. People camp hard in this build whether you want to acknowledge it or not. The strafe speed nerf encourages this.
Tyrus Four 128	Posted - 2012.10.15 01:17:00 - [26] - Quote Crimson MoonV wrote: Tyrus Four wrote: Crimson MoonV wrote: Tyrus Four wrote: I constantly see people saying "camp camp camp". but the only people i ever see camping are snipers. are we talking about different definitions of camp here? is camping anything that isn't full-on run and gun in the middle of the desert? People like to hide in corners and hide behind cover from across the map and camp. You haven't ever ran into an entire group of people just sitting near one objective waiting for people to come. Blob trench warfare. So boring. no I haven't. most everyone who isn't a sniper that I have come across has been on the move or in a vehicle. no, they haven't been running full-on in the middle of the wide open areas of the battlefield, and yeah they use cover to move without getting shot. I think you are lying for the sake of arguing or you haven't played this build that much. People camp objectives hard. Especially on the map with all the spikes coming out of the map and the mountains. People camp hard in this build whether you want to acknowledge it or not. The strafe speed nerf encourages this. think what you want. I can only speak from my experiences. if your experience is that everyone sits in one spot for the whole match, then i dunno what to tell you. in my matches, people are always moving from objective to objective. also, I've been playing Dust exclusively since this build came out. i haven't played DCUO in like a week because i have been playing Dust nontop. prolly got kicked from my League over there. we should squad up, and then you can show me what you mean. I am ingame right now.
Crimson MoonV Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 658	Posted - 2012.10.15 01:18:00 - [27] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Crimson MoonV wrote: It already came and went, weren't you here for Replication? We found out that eve players suck at dancing. It was so awkward watching nerdy eve players trying to dance ccp nerfed the game into what we have today. True story. Having the overall strafe speed torqued up does nothing for the game, unless it rapidly reduces stamina, essentially turning standard strafing into my idea for strafe sprinting. Being able to dance all over the place without penalty is stupid, and only rewards twitchy players that are online 8+ hours a day, every day. I could see being able to quickly burst to either side, but you'd have to fit for stamina if you plan to keep it up. This would primarily be used for quickly ducking behind cover, or as an effort to break an enemies 'lock' on you. Agreed. I will repost this since you I guess you missed it. I can stand up right now and strafe faster back and forth then I can in dust for an hour before I get tired. Your stamina argument makes no sense at all considering we are super soldiers from the future. Why should sidestepping effect stamina when I am a smoker and I can strafe for hours faster then dust strafe speeds before I get tired. That idea makes no sense at all.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1902	Posted - 2012.10.15 01:26:00 - [28] - Quote Crimson MoonV wrote: I can stand up right now and strafe faster back and forth then I can in dust for an hour before I get tired. Your stamina argument makes no sense at all considering we are super soldiers from the future. Why should sidestepping effect stamina when I am a smoker and I can strafe for hours faster then dust strafe speeds before I get tired. That idea makes no sense at all. When you're done using your half a ton mechanical suit, you should let me test it out too. It takes much more energy and control to strafe side to side (at a speed) without totally throwing off your balance, which is typically seen as a bad thing. Oh, and for you idiots that yell "campers". It's called holding ground, and it's strategic. I'm sorry you want to be able to disco dance all across the map in roving bands of two stepping nomads, but this game should be about rewarding intelligent tactical decisions, such as holding your ground at a tactical position when you have the lead. So, strafe sprint takes high amounts of stamina, partly as a balancing act, partly because causing your suit to quickly strafe to one side would require the suit to accommodate for the sudden shift in balance (again, if we're talking about strafe speeds faster than what we have right now) If we allow people to shoot during this fast burst, that would further add to the stamina needed. Remember that the weapons we're firing are so powerful, they would shatter bones, or straight up kill any wielder that isn't in one of these suits. There's more at play than meets the eye.
Tbone322 D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 124	Posted - 2012.10.15 01:28:00 - [29] - Quote Crimson MoonV wrote: Tyrus Four wrote: I constantly see people saying "camp camp camp". but the only people i ever see camping are snipers. are we talking about different definitions of camp here? is camping anything that isn't full-on run and gun in the middle of the desert? People like to hide in corners and hide behind cover from across the map and camp. You haven't ever ran into an entire group of people just sitting near one objective waiting for people to come. Blob trench warfare. So boring. Are you talking about people defending the supply depot in Ambush? I honestly don't run into many campers, but I mainly play skirmish and people don't seem to defend letters at all there.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 385	Posted - 2012.10.15 01:29:00 - [30] - Quote Strafe speed doesn't have.anything to do with campers, unless you're an idiot and consider using cover camping.



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