I constantly see people saying "camp camp camp".

but the only people i ever see camping are snipers.

are we talking about different definitions of camp here? is camping anything that isn't full-on run and gun in the middle of the desert?

It already came and went, weren't you here for Replication?

Having the overall strafe speed torqued up does nothing for the game, unless it rapidly reduces stamina, essentially turning standard strafing into my idea for strafe sprinting. Being able to dance all over the place without penalty is stupid, and only rewards twitchy players that are online 8+ hours a day, every day. I could see being able to quickly burst to either side, but you'd have to fit for stamina if you plan to keep it up.

This would primarily be used for quickly ducking behind cover, or as an effort to break an enemies 'lock' on you.

Idea Time!

Rocket Rollerskates

Huh? Yeah? How about it? You like that?

The enemy could be all, "Vrooom!", and then you could be like "Whoosh!"

no I haven't.

most everyone who isn't a sniper that I have come across has been on the move or in a vehicle.

no, they haven't been running full-on in the middle of the wide open areas of the battlefield, and yeah they use cover to move without getting shot.

Agreed.

When you're done using your half a ton mechanical suit, you should let me test it out too. It takes much more energy and control to strafe side to side (at a speed) without totally throwing off your balance, which is typically seen as a bad thing.

Oh, and for you idiots that yell "campers". It's called holding ground, and it's strategic. I'm sorry you want to be able to disco dance all across the map in roving bands of two stepping nomads, but this game should be about rewarding intelligent tactical decisions, such as holding your ground at a tactical position when you have the lead.

So, strafe sprint takes high amounts of stamina, partly as a balancing act, partly because causing your suit to quickly strafe to one side would require the suit to accommodate for the sudden shift in balance (again, if we're talking about strafe speeds faster than what we have right now) If we allow people to shoot during this fast burst, that would further add to the stamina needed. Remember that the weapons we're firing are so powerful, they would shatter bones, or straight up kill any wielder that isn't in one of these suits.

There's more at play than meets the eye.

You're right, I can't aim, that's why I use a shotgun and I do just fine for myself. The fact is, you don't present any argument as to WHY disco level strafing is a good thing. You just argue off of the assumption that it's the only way to go, while offering nothing but deflecting troll posts when it comes to your defense.

This has nothing to do with "aiming", you want to play wack a mole in space with guns.



::facepalms with a tired groan::

I can barely buy food for my daughter, the last thing I'm buying is AUR. Please, continue to dazzle us with your intelligent and meaningful banter, it's truly enlightening for us.

You have so much to learn.

Anyways, part of the player drop is because this build is buggy, just in general. A big part of it is that a lot of us have been here for a long time, and it's kind of just more of the same, so it's lost some of its enamor. Part of it is that a huge wave of invites went out, lots of people accepted, and then people went on about their lives. Not everyone is amped to sit through a beta that could fry their ps3, or send it flying out of a window after 2 hours of lag and crashes.

Every post you make, serves to further prove that you actually have no idea what you're talking about, in regards to anything. Please, make your next post useful, so that way we can actually have a discussion instead of throwing crap at each other like apes.

Do you know what Ad Hominem is? Do you know what respectable debaters consider it to do to your credibility? Look it up bro.

Quoted for those of you that can see how wonderful this quote is.

Awwww my edit came after he edited his post, that makes this quote much less epic =_=

I know right, it's entertaining but stuff like this really wastes threads. I don't see why it's so hard for people to actually engage in a discussion. Also, out of curiosity, does anyone know this guy? Apparently he's killed me before but I've never noticed him at the top of any boards or anything. Those of you on here that are good, what's your take on his skills?

I'm not actually against it at all. I'm indifferent. I'm enjoying the game regardless.

the whining from the whiny, crying, entitled, spoiled little girls in this forum is what gets on my nerves, tbh.

says a lot about what certain people want from this game. people want CCP to make it so they are never able to be hit and make the game easy.

GUNGAME(tm).

I can feel you on wanting the game to be a bit faster pace, there's no argument there. Saying that cover is just for campers doesn't make any sense though, because this is a game that by its nature, supports using cover, thanks to shields and armor repairers. I can applaud your skills if you're up there with Regnum and the crew, congrats. It doesn't change the fact that you should be punished for dancing around in the open.

Perhaps what they should do is increase strafe speed again, but add in slight acceleration, and if you change direction mid strafe, that is what consumes a big chunk of stamina, and requires a slight pause as you stop, gain your footing, and push off in the opposite direction. Also, I'm not sure how the turn rate of suits plays into this, so that may or may not have to be upped accordingly as you add in more and more strafing.

This. This right here is the problem.

You know why I'm having more fun playing this game than you are? Because when someone tries to take me out with an assault rifle I strafe around and shoot him to death with a scrambler pistol or pull a grenade, hold it for a second or two, then throw it to have it explode in his face, or both.

The person who has better gear only wins if you yield to the advantage that gear gives. I've said it before and I've said it kittening often. Skill bonuses and better gear just help to cover up the mistakes you make while playing the game. If you play a better game than your opponent, and they don't have strong enough gear to cover their own mistakes while you take advantage of the holes in their playing style you win.

It means taking advantage of corners, cover, and installations when fighting against infantry or vehicles. It means not moving in predictable patterns while fighting an opponent. It means jumping into a railgun, blaster, or missile launcher and letting the guy heading towards you kittening have it until you have to bail out and keep fighting with a normal weapon. It means being creative with combat. Do you know what an AR user does when they realize their clip is almost empty and I'm shooting them with a pistol? They try to melee me because they know they've got a better to kill me with a direct hit than with a fresh clip.

Why the kitten are you just staring at each-other? How does the current strafe situation play into it at all if you aren't bothering to strafe.

It was hard to tell just how "good" it was in the old builds because that hit detection was so bad lmao, that's what I refer to as "disco". In the old builds, it was straight up disco dancing. We shouldn't be punished for not having god like reflexes and being able to predict where they're going to instantly hop. They need to put actual acceleration in, since you can't just go from left to right at a speed without first slowing down, and then speeding back up; no matter how strong they are.

Now that you mention it, I wouldn't mind the whole speed of the game to pic up a bit more, while still requiring you to use cover when and where you can. I don't think that you should be able to strafe indefinitely, and I believe strongly that switching directions should slow you down and consume at least a little extra stamina.

I also find it hilarious when the trolls claim that they know what CCPs vision for Dust is. Sorry chummers, only CCP knows what their vision is.

Cover or strafe... I use both. I strafe in the open and move from cover to cover when it's available. And I've seen many dancers scrambling for cover when their shields go down and their armor starts melting. I prefer strafe speeds, and jump heights, to be at more realistic levels. I actually find it more difficult to frag people who make smart use of cover. Dancers, and I do dance with them when the situation calls for it, just seem fall under the withering fire of my assault scrambler.

Those who say they can get up right now and strafe faster and longer and jump around like a ballerina should try it in 60lbs/27.2kg of armor, which is probably lighter than the scout armor if you take into account power supply, ammo, weapons, communications gear, tactical computers, environmental life support, scanners, etc. Having RL armor experience myself, in 16 gauge steel full plate, I can tell you it makes a huge difference.

The characters are augmented men and women, who have been granted immortality through cybernetic technology, that have become mercenaries on par with the immortal capsuleers. They're not super heroes.

My point is that if you all want is a hyper-fantasy, super jumping, turbo strafing, K/D glory, lone wolf game, then go play something else and stop bothering us, who like solid tactical games, with useless trolling and complaining. Give us a valid point instead of insults.

Maybe it's just my play-style then. I'll circle strafe, then drop into a run to get out of the line of fire before I turn and drop out of the run to shoot the target. The only difference is that while I'm dashing (so very dashing) I can't shoot, so I have to wait until I'm able to start firing again or can pull out a grenade while the enemy sights on me again to continue their attack. Am I supposed to just stand there and wait for one of us to kill the other? Are we supposed to run straight at each-other? Is it cheating to duck behind a CRU or a supply depot so that the enemy's attack can't hit you?

Aiming doesn't take skill (unless there's bullet drop) and.strafing doesn't take skill, Nuff SaidGäó

So you're saying you find aiming challenging? Simply moving a analog stick on a target is difficult for you? It takes no skills and neither does strafing and it hasn't made the game about better equipment as I've killed a standard heavy using a broadside hmg with a dragonfly/toxin combo from full armour (at least 400 hp) even though i was in his field of fire.

So, we need to increase the strafe speed because while it's significant enough to cause 90% of the game's population to need to apply skill to overcome it, there's a 10% elite player base that, when they come in contact with each-other, require a higher strafing speed to enable "skill" to provide them a result rather than "gear".

As it stands if you run into any of the 90% you quickly out-strafe them and kill them and you need that advantage enhanced further so that when you encounter another "elite" player, you two can dance around each-other's shots and try to kill each-other like hit detection was still broken?

Better gear still isn't what makes the fight, like i said i run a militia grade scout and a standard grade smg yet i still manage to go positive in most of my matches(i can't say all and be 100% sure) stop blaming the gear when it only gives the person a slight advantage. The lowered strafe speed forces people to play smarter, not magically avoid bullets at the equivalent of being behind cover.

Are you f*cking ret*rded? This isn't even suppose to be a 1v1ing game, that's why we don't have any sort of free for all. And gear still doesn't win 1v1s.

1v1s haven't happened for me since they introduced squads to this game, only a dumb*ss would run solo against a squad. It's one thing to ask for strafe buffs, but coming up with ****-poor excuses for it shows that you're trolling.

It's obvious, the one using cover will win, how it should be. Next troll attemp, and make it quick i don't have all day.

Kitten you with the back end of a sniper rifle for having the audacity to kittening say any of the kittening kitten that you just kittening said when you make it so kittening clear that you don't give a flying kitten about anyone's kittening play-style but your own.

Only an idiot would completely ignore cover, whether it's the terrain or a building and there's no reason to cross a large open area when we have free lavs. So basically you think the best players in this game do ret*rded sh*t regularly.

When you rage-quit over low strafe speed can I haz your stuff?

You say a strafe speed buff will make the game magically take more skill when I've proven it won't. That's the summary of everything you've said

Like you said earlier when you can't do something it makes you want to keep working at it to make it better. Dust514 is the first FPS I've played in over 4 years. What's the excuse for your gun game?

Aww, kittens -- are we dance fighting now?

Once again the ret*rded f*cking QQing b*tch can't prove how increasing the strafe speed will make the game take skill.

Next Build. Dust will resemble the knife fight at the end of the Beat It video

and all the "Competitive 1vs1 duelers" will be so happy.

and no one will play any real matches cause everyone will be too busy doing their Competitive 1vs1 duels to see who has the most GUNGAME(tm) aka who can run in a circle better.

1vs1 for the win! epic!

What I think is most amusing about this whole abortion of a thread that I have somehow conceived, is when someone mentioned CCP's vision.

Am I the only one who clearly recalls them saying they want DUST to be a heavy vehicle based game, with infantry as more or less fillers and support to said vehicular mayhem?

Even last build I had no problem tracking strafing scouts so i still don't see it as something that is harder to accomplish than now, it's a good thing.that the game's speed would be.increased but skill wise it would be the same

Literally all I was saying is that THIS is what CCP originally stated as their vision for DUST, to be very vehicle focused. I am way too tired to hunt for you, but it's out there in their older and even somewhat more recent interviews. DUST is meant to cater to a wide variety of gamers, it's a brilliant marketing maneuver that will serve them well moving into the future.

I won't be on until tomorrow dude. It'll be 2am they go up over here. We're both agreed that strafe speed needs to go up. You made a point that aiming isn't hard. I'm just saying that it IS hard. It's a skill FPS players have, and improve. Take for example the "claw" hand position. Using you index finger for the buttons, and your middle finger for r1. It takes practise, results in horrible RSI in extended sessions, but it's better, because you can hit all required buttons without losing your aiming capabilities. The point about you not being in STB's elite group was just to drive it home. Your clans top boys are some of the best examples of aim>strafe. Because I couldn't out do them on MAG.

There are loads of people who really do struggle to aim...

When will people realize that CCP doesn't want a CoD/Halo/"insert hyper twitch game here" clone. If you want to play a game like those, then go play those games. It's that simple.

Actually I have CoD 4 for PS3 and I have Halo 1 and 2 for PC. By my experience, I consider them twitch shooters, though Halo less so. So don't make an a$$ out of yourself by assuming that you know what kind of games I have, or don't have, experience with.

Probably because they have better things to occupy their minds with?

Just a guess.

As in, it's not important? With that, I can agree.

Strafe is fine the way it is, bad player still can't aim but at least average ones have a chance now.