What I think is most amusing about this whole abortion of a thread that I have somehow conceived, is when someone mentioned CCP's vision.

Am I the only one who clearly recalls them saying they want DUST to be a heavy vehicle based game, with infantry as more or less fillers and support to said vehicular mayhem?

What I think is most amusing about this whole abortion of a thread that I have somehow conceived, is when someone mentioned CCP's vision.

Am I the only one who clearly recalls them saying they want DUST to be a heavy vehicle based game, with infantry as more or less fillers and support to said vehicular mayhem?

Vermaak I'll try to explain to the best of my ability. The way strafing speed is now tracking a target and holding down R1 to kill someone can be done easily enough for even a 9 year-old. By increasing both strafing and turning speed you increase the pace you have to keep up in order to keep the recticle on the target.

Even last build I had no problem tracking strafing scouts so i still don't see it as something that is harder to accomplish than now, it's a good thing.that the game's speed would be.increased but skill wise it would be the same

What are you trying to say? That this game should more about vehicles and not about competitive run and gun gameplay?

Literally all I was saying is that THIS is what CCP originally stated as their vision for DUST, to be very vehicle focused. I am way too tired to hunt for you, but it's out there in their older and even somewhat more recent interviews. DUST is meant to cater to a wide variety of gamers, it's a brilliant marketing maneuver that will serve them well moving into the future.

Agreed, and on that note I would like to say by having fast strafe speeds that will cater to both playstyles. Both casual and the hardcore gamers. Its not like you can't camp and play like a casual with fast strafe speeds. Cover still is just as much of a legitimate tactic with increased strafing.

Most of the hardcore gamers will be in null sec anyways, so its not like the strafing elites will be constantly pub stopping and strafing on scrubs. When it does happen to someone who is new to the game they learn from it and grow as a gamer.

Lol at assumption everyone in null will be strafing, just like no t1 or t2 frigs or destroyers go in null on eve

Anyone noticed the complete bullshit Vermak is posting. If aiming and movement aren't skill, go play unreal or CS. And don't move or aim.
Tell you what, don't bother. Because we all know what happens if you can't aim or you move like an idiot.

Games ******

OP has a great idea. You can quit bitching about strafing being nerfed if this is implemented. Though, it would need to drain a militia logi's stamina in under a second, to not be too bad. Which is around 180? .

Anyways, Tyrus, you're right. People don't camp, I have an idea as to what they're bitching about but it's just idiocy. And they aren't making any valid points at all, about why it needs to be rebuffed. Just, camp, camp, camp, camp, camp, camp, camp buff camp, campers wanted it buffed, camp, camp , camp, buff, buff, buff, buff, camp, camp.

The only thing I can imagine they are talking about is, rather than being able to run up, while you're behind cover, and still somehow kill you, they are whining that they have to find their own cover, and find some other way to kill you, I.E a teammate or going around a different way.

TL;DR people that want strafing buffed only want it buffed so they can one man army, and kill entire teams.

YEP, that's what i used to do. And the nerf of strafing is why everyones KDR is lower now. And camping in this game is sooo boring... in other games is fun though for some reason

So Vermak what skill is more important than moving our of cover and shooting face in an FPS? Sorry you think aiming is easy. Why do you ever die? It's so easy why don't you aim at the person and kill them? Because you are talking ****. I really don't understand why. Normally you are of sound mind. Aiming is the single most important factor in an FPS.


You sound like a ****** saying saying "you might find aiming hard". You know I'm a decent player with decent aim. You? Guessing you're garbage. Which is why you don't play in STBs corp battles yeah. Because aiming is too easy for you. Go join Kengfa's corp.

So, improving strafe speed would also have an unintended consequence of further disbalancing different weapon types in favor of AR. Something to think about.

This is actually an excellent point, and one that is likely not considered by those that desire the strafe speed increased. Does anyone else find it amusing that the vast majority of high KD/R players use the AR almost exclusively, and almost always look for ways to buff that style of gameplay?

Actually if strafe speeds were higher people would run around with SMG's Shotguns, and the noob slayer scrambler pistol almost exclusively again. I don't remember any AR's are OP thread (other than the kids that cried about the creodron, because they were noob slayed with their 4 loser friends all at once cause they couldn't hit a moving target.

Actually if strafe speeds were higher people would run around with SMG's Shotguns, and the noob slayer scrambler pistol almost exclusively again. I don't remember any AR's are OP thread (other than the kids that cried about the creodron, because they were noob slayed with their 4 loser friends all at once cause they couldn't hit a moving target.

SMGs maybe, shotguns, not really. As you increase strafe speeds, shotguns become more and more of a gamble because you can't really adjust your shots. You aim, and you take the shot. If players are dancing back and forth like crazy, it becomes much less about skill and much more about being lucky with where you decided to shoot.

So Vermak what skill is more important than moving our of cover and shooting face in an FPS? Sorry you think aiming is easy. Why do you ever die? It's so easy why don't you aim at the person and kill them? Because you are talking ****. I really don't understand why. Normally you are of sound mind. Aiming is the single most important factor in an FPS.


You sound like a ****** saying saying "you might find aiming hard". You know I'm a decent player with decent aim. You? Guessing you're garbage. Which is why you don't play in STBs corp battles yeah. Because aiming is too easy for you. Go join Kengfa's corp.

If you think I'm garbage, let's play a couple matches together.
There are many waus that i could die that don't involve my aim:

The enemy got the drop on me

Outside my weapon's range

Better accuracy

Better weapon for the range, etc.

I know without a doubt I've played with you both on my team and against me and at best you did good (12-20 kills, positive kd) but nothing spectacular.

Lol like anyone would join kengfa's corp.

http://youtu.be/V3y3QoFnqZc

Just because you didn't have any problem hitting a strafing scout doesn't mean that guy who is new to fps could. Faster strafing speeds is what separates the men from the boys. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not, faster strafe speeds take more skill to track.

Look at the harcore competitive fps games on PC. Fast strafe speeds. hmmm I wonder why??? because it takes more skill. hence skill based shooters.

Come on, you can do better than this. Tony Calif is much better than you are. I've played with the both of you, tony pretty recently. you had a nanite injector that you didn't use, you don't wait around for a revive when someone nearby has a nanite injector, you don't stay with the squad. You don't hack, don't defend. All you do is attack, attack, attack.. Don't insult Tony's playing unless you've actually played with him.

And now you're implying 12-20 kills isn't good. That's ******* stupid. 12-20 kills is great. If he has more WP than he should have, it's amazing, as he was also supporting his team.
The only time people get more kills than that, is when they're being a ***** using whatever overpowered weapon they can find.

As for the corp comment. Lol

Enemy got the drop on you -Enemy aim > you reaction
Enemy outraged you -Enemy aim > your positioning
Better accuracy - this would be aiming...
Better weapon range -enemy aimed at you, you stood there and died.

Don't tell me aiming isn't #1
If I can track you with my aim, strafe speed won't matter. Because aim > strafe. But the Playerbase is so horrible, they killed strafe instead of asking people to get good. My aim isn't great, but it's good enough.