NO.

And NO to you also. I like being rewarded for playing. I think you just don't care if someone disagrees, you WANT WHAT YOU WANT AND WANT IT NOW.

I will give OP +1 because i do sort of agree with him

A passive SP system will mean ppl are more overall balanced, its why they have the skill cap now so that no lifes do not get ahead with millions of SP compared to guy who works has a family and maybe only gets 4hrs each night to shoot something with friends

This passive 'EVE' style system would really balance it out but how would FPS players like to wait maybe a good month to get HAV lvl5, or 5days to train upto Weapons lvl5 when they can get ther in a few games, the answer is they wouldnt

They dont have the patience, not when todays FPS games are levels and are easy to reach, MAG lvl system 2 days, BF3 done in a week, KZ3 unlock what you want but the XP needed just draws it out more but if you no life it you will get ther

They say but i want to work and play to unlock stuff but what happens in the above games when you have unlocked what you needed? you stick around for gameplay and friends but you wont unlock much else until DLC is dropped which is quickly done also

DUST would mean that you play for isk instead of lvls and new toys until your skills allowed to use said toys and friends but also with the promise of power, helping to take away sov and planets away from other ppl not just a ****** map but a whole planet/system from real ppl in another game

I wouldnt mind if skilling went the EVE way

alternative you can spend passive skill points free without a skill queue.
and no active skill points, only ISK.

Yes passive skilling is dull to look at but it would probably go at the same speed as active skilling is right now only at a steady pace, so that normal people with jobs, wives, kids etc etc can keep up with the hardcore gaming in the SP department. I just think that the casual crowd of FPS'ers that i've seen around here won't stick around for long after experiencing all the builds and the coming complexity of this game. so why try to spoon feed them this same old broken system that is bound to give hardcore players an edge over everyone else?

Now i'm not saying i'm not an hardcore player myself, i'm just saying that we shouldn't be focused on ''how much WP did i get this game'', ''How much SP did i earn this game'', Oh the reset just started lets farm and boost my sp until i hit the cap''. I'm saying that why even put this system in when you have a over 10 year developed system in EVE and not put it in here?

The active skilling at the rate we have now will take people 4 weeks (assuming you farm an average of 500k sp every week) to get the prototype assault suit! i don't see how passive skilling would make this take soooooooo loooooooooong....

Hi there, not a forum warrior myself but I've read some nice points in this topic so far.
Some I agree to others I feel aren't my point of view.

I feel that the cap is okay, just a bit soon, I would be happier if it was reset daily and just lowered the sp you got after time played.
basicly so you dont log in after a dt to see that you're still not getting sp.
Maybe we're forgetting that when the **** is live we'll have corp battles aswell wich will probably take up the most amount of time.
My concern would be that we're all getting filthy rich and farming casual players for sp instant battles..
or am I seeing this wrong?

But Ziggie, players that can grind unlimited SP will be able to field more options in battle!

But Ziggie, the EVE system has been working for years! Let's just use that!

But Ziggie...

My answer would also be NO.... I've been playing EVE online for 7 years and 17 days and if there is one thing i find annoying its the skill system. When i started playing i was lured in by the prospect of flying mighty Battleships, Carriers and the main price the Titan. Ok i understood, that it would take some time and effort to get that far. And yes one could just focus on surtain area's, but if you want to make isk, you're going to have to expand in different area's. (not to mention everything above battleship can only be flown in nul sec) Before you know it, 7 years later, 53014309 skillpoints later and i'm still not there. If i need to level up a skill now, i have to wait nearly a month, just to be able to do this or that, etc. Hell half the time i just click the next skill and don't botter coming back a few weeks later. now where is the fun in that.

Atleast with Dust 514, which is what atracts me, is that how far i get with my skills is all dependant on me. I could make it last 3 years or a life time, but the more i play the faster i will go. Not to mention, yes ok in the Beta, there are not alott of skills yet, and everything else is still what limited, but i know CCP, I know how awesome yet Complex there game could be and i know that every year they will be increasing the items, vehicles and skills that are available. What you see now is just the beginning and it will only grow. So No i would not like to see a skill system like EVE online, if i wanted that i would play EVE Online. Actually i think EVE online should have a good look at Dust 514 and take over there skill system.

''So No i would not like to see a skill system like EVE online, if i wanted that i would play EVE Online. Actually i think EVE online should have a good look at Dust 514 and take over there skill system.''

Just casting my vote. Dev's please do NOT listen to this sp system idea. The wait based character progression in Eve is the only thing about it I really dislike! The only point you can really make for it is that non active players can keep their characters up with the active ones, so people who play the market or participate in roles that do not require daily activity don't fall behind. I don't see how this could help players in dust though. If you are not active in combat, you should fall behind.

Too much butthurt in this thread for me to read all the posts. So, if the following point has been discussed, too bad. If it hasn't, then feel free to tell me how right I am.

Who friggin' cares if Johnny No-Life has more SP than you? Remove skill caps, and here is why:

The most important mechanic the DUST SP system shares with EVE is that skills are capped at level 5. So, like in EVE, if you go up against someone with 130 million SP or 10 million, if you're specialized the two of you will be equal in the same gear except for raw skill and tactics.



Again, this matters why? If someone is doing that, they will be broke very, very soon. If you kill someone in his proto assault kit and he comes back with a proto sniper setup and kills you, laugh at the fact that he's paying all that cash for revenge.

If this person is not going broke doing so, odds are they are in a corporation and playing as a member of a team, in which case they will usually be playing a specialized role and will not be jumping in and out of ten different dropsuit fits.



I don't have a corp in DUST, and because I deploy to Afghanistan on a very frequent basis, I probably won't. So, if the only gains I'm gonna see from actively playing DUST are ISK and the occasional e-peen inflation from fragging someone, then the game is going to get very old, very fast. If I can't bust my ass to get some extra SP from a good match, then there is no point.



Just shut up already.



tl;dr: Skill progression should be uncapped, the above explains how you are an idiot if you think it will kill casuals.

This thread isn't a QQ thread about uncapping the SP system, just to let you know...

No, it started as a thread about changing the SP system to EVE's completely passive system. I illustrate that not only is that a stupid idea, but it should in fact go the other direction and be uncapped.

Too easy if its uncapped as it was before a couple of builds ago

Players hitting 30+mil SP over a few weekends which worked out to be like a month if that

Put this with release means no lifes will grind so far ahead of new players and they will never catch up, but with EVE style it means you have to pick and choose your skills but also the gap will never be that massve to begin with

7 yrs of skills prob wouldnt last a full year with some players who will grind as hard as possible to get every skill done, but the EVE way it would last 7yrs

Too easy if its uncapped as it was before a couple of builds ago

Players hitting 30+mil SP over a few weekends which worked out to be like a month if that

Put this with release means no lifes will grind so far ahead of new players and they will never catch up, but with EVE style it means you have to pick and choose your skills but also the gap will never be that massve to begin with

7 yrs of skills prob wouldnt last a full year with some players who will grind as hard as possible to get every skill done, but the EVE way it would last 7yrs

Finally back to agreeing with each other on something I see.

Each player has two additional alts, so even with the cap and assuming a certain overlap it would only take a grinder three years to obtain every single skill to level 5.


After a few months anyone specializing in some narrow role will be the equal of anyone else, so in the long run it doesn't matter to other players. It does at the present moment as grinders can spec up into proto gear and own the field for several weeks. That's what the SP farmers are doing right now, spending hours playing Farmville so they can strut around in shiny gear and be king of the hill until the next wipe.

So if it won't matter to players in the long term, why have a cap? It all comes down to how long CCP wants it to take to fully skill up.

If CCP wants it to take a certain length of time they need a cap. Anything short of that and they have no control.

No reward for the shooter crowd?

It seems to me some of you casuals have it all wrong, sp isn't meant to be the reward it's a progression, the isk,sovereighnty control of space having large functional alliances with wealth is the reward here. You all are too ignorant to see this and have played too many modern shooters that blurr your vision of what i think this game should go towards.

Sorry but i have to disagree with your statement here, currently in EVE if you specialize you'll be there fast. that's the exact same concept they used in dust (i've even heard them say it a few times). the problem with active skilling as is of now and has been in all other games with this same concept is the boosting and the endless farming and it needs you to practically be a no-lifer to get good. The passive system does seem like a drag but trust me this game would be better off with the passive system then with any active system ever implemented in a modern day fps. plus it will be unique to its genre so they'll prob even get bonus points.

My answer would also be NO.... I've been playing EVE online for 7 years and 17 days and if there is one thing i find annoying its the skill system. When i started playing i was lured in by the prospect of flying mighty Battleships, Carriers and the main price the Titan. Ok i understood, that it would take some time and effort to get that far. And yes one could just focus on surtain area's, but if you want to make isk, you're going to have to expand in different area's. (not to mention everything above battleship can only be flown in nul sec) Before you know it, 7 years later, 53014309 skillpoints later and i'm still not there. If i need to level up a skill now, i have to wait nearly a month, just to be able to do this or that, etc. Hell half the time i just click the next skill and don't botter coming back a few weeks later. now where is the fun in that.

Your point is made clearly and coherently, as opposed to the two that I was arguing with in the first page of this thread, though despite the fact I understand what you are saying, I have no idea why you are fighting this fight. What is so broken about our skill system that we need to completely replace it rather than add small changes? Because of boosters? The skill cap is doing a pretty good job of ****-blocking them. Because our system isn't indepth enough? Hardly.
Basically I ask you: Why?

You want a serious response?
EvE is, correct me if I'm wrong, NOT a first person shooter.
Dust 514, once again correct me if I'm wrong IS a first person shooter.
Despite being made by the same developer, they are completely different genres and should be structured as so, my point being no copy and paste.

So you want to build a whole new genre into the universe, have it populated but not cater to the crowd who will make it vibrant??? I am sure many FPS fans dont care many of those things you listed and then calling them ignorant kind of defeats the purpose of what CCP is trying to do.

Just see that a compromise has to be made to grow this aspect and what the company is trying to do is a good thing for the players that only want to be involved on this level.

Hope I am not way off but that is how I read your post and demeaning the other side doesnt help the process at all.

On topic - I like the combination, I think like others you shouldnt have to pay for boosters, if you want a boost you should have to use that skill (and in combat not the safe zone) to speed up progression in that skill. I also dont have a problem with a weekly cap. It is a compromise to tie the game back to EVE and should be see as such.

Kind of new to this MMO stuff but the project is very exciting and I like what I've see so far.

See all of you are ignorant....

I'm not talking about a whole new genre to build into this ''universe'' you are talking about, im talking about implementing a new way of gaining SP.

Also the funny part about this post is that you type ''on topic-'' but you actually go off topic.