This game already had a very dully learning curve, why would you turn that curve into a straight line?


CCP, you say that this game supposed to treat you like an intelligent individual, but all I see is a game that is catering to those who lack any hand/ eye coordination.

This game is literally built for retards now.


CCP, I am disappoint.

Please do specify. Your post is conflicting, as retards may not be overly intelligent, but often have excellent eye-hand coordination.

Eve is a game that caters to intelligent people that often may not have great eye-hand (can spreadsheet like a boss though). I do not understand the problem, please lay it out.

what, because of the tutorial? You dont have to follow it if you dont wan't, or need to. I think it was a good idea to implement it though

LoL Who cares about your spread sheet skills. An fps that overly caters to scrubs is a joke. Go play MW3 if you want an easy game.

what, because of the tutorial? You dont have to follow it if you dont wan't, or need to. I think it was a good idea to implement it though

What are you talking about, random troll? Does MW3 do spreadsheets? Overly catering to scrubs?

If you are going to present an arguement, make a cohesive point or a valid question. Moron.

This game already had a very dully learning curve, why would you turn that curve into a straight line?


CCP, you say that this game supposed to treat you like an intelligent individual, but all I see is a game that is catering to those who lack any hand/ eye coordination.

This game is literally built for retards now.


CCP, I am disappoint.

I'd like to hear in more detail what Zekain has to say on his post and why.

By nerfing strafe speed even more they are catering to casuals and scrubs with no gun game. This game is starting to feel like a CoD clone with high health.

Okay, why does a high strafe speed automatically equal "skilled" gameplay? The "dance" is stupid.

Because it takes more skill to hit a target in strafe than a target that moves like a snail.

Because it takes more skill to hit a target in strafe than a target that moves like a snail.

Evetards just want this game to be easy because they have garbage gun game. If ccp keeps listening to these idiots this game is going to fail after about a month or two.

Evetards just want this game to be easy because they have garbage gun game. If ccp keeps listening to these idiots this game is going to fail after about a month or two.

I made my point but you missed it. If you want a game that takes little hand eye then go play MW3. This game can take skill and still be complex. Right now this game takes very little skill and its sad. People like you want this game easy because they have little hand eye.

>>>>No, this is where you're wrong. Being able to dodge slow moving balls of plasma is moderately acceptable. Being able to avoid an entire magazine from and HMG because you're using a lighter suit is just plain bad gameplay mechanics. You shouldn't be able to dodge bullets by dancing from side to side, and that is not an opinion held only by EVE players. You can't even do that in Tribes and that game has the fastest movement speeds of any shooter I've played. The direction the movement speed is going in is a good one, as long as they follow it up with increased run and sprint speeds to keep the action moving more quickly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Why would you add more sprint speed with the way the strafe is. That makes no sense at all. I can fly across the map but I can't sidestep faster then an obese women. This game is turning into the Hellen Keller of fps games.

You know I hate COD but I'm considering BLOPS 2 that's how bad Dust is even MOH is looking better right now. CCP should just put it on PC for the EVE players because Dust is boring and they like boring games.

No need to facepalm because it's true Dust is a horrible game that caters to bad players even more than COD and I thought I'd never say that.

No need to facepalm because it's true Dust is a horrible game that caters to bad players even more than COD and I thought I'd never say that.

Explain to me how it makes sense to be able to dodge ******* bullets with a sidestep? Aren't our weapons supposed to be better than real world weapons, which you can't do that with? One of the main issues people have been lamenting is the tendency to camp that apparently follows the slower strafe speed, so compensate by allowing people to cover more ground faster, which is actually useful and practical.

God dammit Regis, why are you still here? Why are you still playing this game? For what reason are you determined to just **** all over everything about this game for months on end? If it offends you so much, why are you still here? Uninstall the client and biomass your characters.

Feedback is fine, but all you're doing is just posting about how the game is terrible because it doesn't fit with your vision for it. That's not helpful.

Buh-bye prancing fairy.

Stop comparing this "video game" to real life. We dont have FTL drives in real life. Can't inertia drop in real life. No clones in that can transfer thought and memory in real life. So your logic is completely flawed.

This is a video game if you want real life give everyone one life.

I have every right to still test this alpha build of Dust 514. If I don't tell CCP how bad there game is then all they have is a *** like you telling them how much of a good job there doing. Get your tongue out of there ass holes and pry your face away and maybe you would see how bad this **** is. Also if you don't like what I have to say about your precious game or CCP just ignore me and you'll never have to see or read my post again...

Evetards just want this game to be easy because they have garbage gun game. If ccp keeps listening to these idiots this game is going to fail after about a month or two.

I dont see how hand/eye coordination relates to intelligence. Keep the "gun game" slow and "team work" a necessity. The number of options and available tactics is what could make this game not dumb. The twitchier (is that a word?) The game gets the more you limit strategic options and the dumber the game gets.

I dont see how hand/eye coordination relates to intelligence. Keep the "gun game" slow and "team work" a necessity. The number of options and available tactics is what could make this game not dumb. The twitchier (is that a word?) The game gets the more you limit strategic options and the dumber the game gets.

You couldn't be more wrong. Take a look at mag. The most tactical shooter I have ever played. Yet it had a healthy strafe speed and people still used teamwork.

These "tactical" players obviously think slow means "tactical".

These "tactical" players obviously think slow means "tactical".

Sometimes I hate everybody, I really do. I think I've gotten dumber from reading through this thread. The "twitchiness" is what we're here to test. And it will be fixed, I'm sure of it. No Dev is going to look through a sniper scope at a guy trying to run up a cliff as he's twitching all around teleporting up and down as he clips off the terrain and say to themselves "Yup, this looks good. Ship this kitten I gotta get my monaaaay." I'm pretty sure they're gonna fix that stuff.

Sure CCP could screw this whole thing up and try and release it like it is now but I doubt it. If they did I wouldn't play it. But our purpose is the play this game that sucks and tell them why it sucks so they can fix it. I thought we were all on the same page, but I guess not. So whatever, go play cow clicker and stop clogging up the forums with your stupidity. I went in to this thing expecting a broken piece of crap, I didn't realize I was the only one.

I just played this last update. It's a lot better in a ton of ways. It still needs a lot of work, but that's why they're not releasing it next week. So let's put on our big boy pants and actually tell them why we don't like it. Which of course means thinking, and then articulating those thoughts in a useful way. So yea, that's gonna screw a lot of people but too bad. If you don't like thinking you really don't need to play a CCP game. I'm seeing so many similarities to EVE here, and if you can't handle that then seriously, just go away.

TL/DR - This game sucks at the moment and we're here to make it awesome. It has the potential to be an amazing game but it probably won't be for everyone. I have yet to see a single post from even the most idiotic player that says "This game sucks, it's just a clone of x or a ripoff of y". So hopefully we as a community of testers can help them fix it, but not by being idiots.

So I left, come back and still nothing has been civily explained about how it was "dumbed down"? Amazing.

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Agreed. I tend to go on rants when people just whip out the "sucks" tag with nothing else behind it, waving it like a banner of superiority over the "ignorant masses". I need to get a handle on that, but I still stand by my point and the one that you made more succinctly that we aren't here too "tongue CCP's asses" (oh so eloquent, Regis...), but to provide the feedback necessary to help improve the game. The feedback we're already putting out on the new SP system and dropship flight ceilings are excellent examples.

MAG, a game that is mostly dead, by a company that no longer exists. Great example.
If you want to talk about a game that emphasizes tactics, at least mention a better example like Planetside 2, which I also play. Funny thing is, given the choice, I would go with Dust, because there's just no sense of accomplishment in P2. You can take all of Indar before you go to bed, but the other factions will just push back and camp you into your sanctuary while you're offline. You can have a 40 minute battle over a major base, be on the cusp of a narrow victory, and then the enemy leaves, caps the smaller areas around the base, and it flips to them automatically due to influence.

They've changed those aspects to make the game more tactical, and I've actually started enjoying it more, despite the fact that the multiple-server thing just doesn't sit right with me after 4 years of EVE. MAG supported 256 players by designing it's missions around keeping the team separated into smaller squads around the map with a lot of environmental clutter designed to prevent long sight lines to eliminate the possibility of framerate drop. It was revolutionary, but like the original Planetside, that doesn't mean it was a great game. I think its great that so many of it's players are being drawn to Dust, and I think you'll all make a great addition to the community, but MAG isn't an example that should be drawn from unequivocally, just like any other game.

Yeah and this game isn't to far behind MAG. The difference is CCP will have a horrible space subscription based MMO to fall back on. Zipper actually knows how to make a shooter. Also they got closed down because of Socom 4's failure. MAG sold over 1 mil in copies and that's considered good for a new IP in a saturated part of the gaming market.

Ok after reading this entire thread i see how this got "dumb downed". its all because most of this community cant say anything of value to the game. i'm not saying everyone just the real hardcore haters just because they get killed one or two times they freak out and say the game sucks. its a beta get over it. it improves over time and you may not like what they did but its not like the devs cant just apply a hotfix and balance stuff out. Regis the only thing i like about u is your name (im a huge MEGAS fans) but u need to relax dont take things so hard just like you voice your opinion you're going to have to brunt the people that have different opinions than you. and these insults that are being spit out isnt helping anything so chill man. voice you opinion but be prepared to have people attacking you opinion and treat the attacks with the most respect. if theres anything that i learned is that screaming, crying, and cursing always loses an arguement.

Ok after reading this entire thread i see how this got "dumb downed". its all because most of this community cant say anything of value to the game. i'm not saying everyone just the real hardcore haters just because they get killed one or two times they freak out and say the game sucks. its a beta get over it. it improves over time and you may not like what they did but its not like the devs cant just apply a hotfix and balance stuff out. Regis the only thing i like about u is your name (im a huge MEGAS fans) but u need to relax dont take things so hard just like you voice your opinion you're going to have to brunt the people that have different opinions than you. and these insults that are being spit out isnt helping anything so chill man. voice you opinion but be prepared to have people attacking you opinion and treat the attacks with the most respect. if theres anything that i learned is that screaming, crying, and cursing always loses an arguement.

Yeah and this game isn't to far behind MAG. The difference is CCP will have a horrible space subscription based MMO to fall back on. Zipper actually knows how to make a shooter. Also they got closed down because of Socom 4's failure. MAG sold over 1 mil in copies and that's considered good for a new IP in a saturated part of the gaming market.

Plus one and a present for you! Treasure Chest <--- Open it!

Edit:

For the record I disagree in that I feel it has not been "dumbed down". There is a difference between informing your players and dumbing it down. If a game lacks enough basics to inform a player then that is a problem. However this is an unfinished product. Saying it's dumbed down is like complaining about Coka~Cola from one year to the next in that you feel the forumla and swear to the heavens it has been changed. So now you do not like or agree with it. Seriously I've seen people complain that the can changed the taste. People are and always will complain.

**** no I'm not relaxing for anyone. I'm not here to be liked either so you can like my name for MEGAS and not like me that means **** to me.

and thats great to hear man but it doesnt matter if you're just spitting out hate instead of having a reasonable debate about what you and everyone else thinks about whats right and wrong with the game. it helps no one when you cant reasonably explain your anger and frustration into a thought where it can help the Devs and explain your reasoning on why you hate that particular thing about the game.

and thats great to hear man but it doesnt matter if you're just spitting out hate instead of having a reasonable debate about what you and everyone else thinks about whats right and wrong with the game. it helps no one when you cant reasonably explain your anger and frustration into a thought where it can help the Devs and explain your reasoning on why you hate that particular thing about the game.

Quite a lot of responses for an OP completely lacking in substance.

Maybe I'm tired of trying to be reasonable because for 4 builds the game still plays like dirt. Maybe when I tried to be reasonable the **** heads in this forum say stupid **** like adapt or die or biomass your clone and give me your stuff herp derp.

So same to you if you don't like what I have to say or how I say it ignore me!

Mm. What's that, Master Yoda? Yoda, and two cents.

Yup.. Mostly it's been just two or three people though attacking one another. Sad honestly.

Yeah and this game isn't to far behind MAG. The difference is CCP will have a horrible space subscription based MMO to fall back on. Zipper actually knows how to make a shooter. Also they got closed down because of Socom 4's failure. MAG sold over 1 mil in copies and that's considered good for a new IP in a saturated part of the gaming market.

heated discussion aside. i ask:


what is wrong with moving left and right? or dodging bullets?




- i don't know if their are some that thought messing with the hit detection is fun. but that wasnt my thought at all when i moved left and right. it may have been the result, but thats unavoidable, because when im in a gun fight, im not going to stand still. and since the game is buggy, thats just how its gonna happen. if taking cover was all that was needed, then even with the bad hit detection, we wouldve done that before. if you strafed, i bet its all because you thought "he has a gun pointed in my direction, time to move" as ive stated before, ive played completed games without hit detection problems. and people still strafed. it never exploited anything except the fact that your controller allows you to move left and right.

before modding your console to gain an advantage was bad. now moving your analog stick left and right is bad.


if you plan on answering this - no reality comparisons please. you dont respawn in real life, you dont have clones of yourself. you can't throw spawn points of where you are going to be re-born, guns are a lot harder to use in real life then on this game. etc... i could make a list but thats too big as is.

i can completely understand if the hit detection was a problem. how i see it is: your characters pace was the same as it was with bad hit detection, all that happend was they fixed it. and i love it. i die more but that just tells me i need to up my game. and i will up my game. but with that being said, just make the scout and assault suits slightly faster.


i mean we all want some type of chance to survive. i like having more options then finding the nearest dumpster and hiding in it.

to be funny, gimme the metal gear box and ill show you how stupid some things can be. (For those who played MGS4 online and noticed that the box was your getaway from bullets)

This game already had a very dully learning curve, why would you turn that curve into a straight line?


CCP, you say that this game supposed to treat you like an intelligent individual, but all I see is a game that is catering to those who lack any hand/ eye coordination.

This game is literally built for retards now.


CCP, I am disappoint.

Sony bullied ccp into making the game for uber casuals! Sony was like "the f**k you think this s**t is... PC?!?!' "We're trying to have this thing sell on console"

I'm hoping that this game takes both. I'm hoping that CCP is developing a game that brings FPS and MMORPG gamers under the same roof for the first time in gaming history. I'm hoping to be on the ground floor of something that changes gaming, and I do not expect it to be easy for MMORPGers, FPSers, or the developers.

You do not know "people like me". I definitely do not want this game to be easy. "People like me" want this game to be hard and brutal with a high attrition rate. "People like me" also support the idea that there is a game that can go cross platform and involve people that do not have the same playstyle as I do.

I'd still like to hear the OP go into more detail.

That could actually be the truth. Sony hates clan support and they abandon games that get niche cult followings if they don't make enough money.

I'm not here to be eloquent *****. Like I said if you don't like what I have to say about this alpha then ignore me and you wont have to see anything I say ever again. Until then **** off ass kisser.

Are existing FPS games not hard and brutal with a high attrition rate? Folks that do and folks that go play Pokemon?

If those games are not all of these things, specifically the attrition rate, why are people here?

If BF3, CoD, MAG, etc have the awesomesauce, why are people playing Dust instead of them? There is some sarcasm in that question, but still a valid question. What do you see in Dust that these other games don't give?

LoL Who cares about your spread sheet skills. An fps that overly caters to scrubs is a joke. Go play MW3 if you want an easy game.

Wait. Other people can't dance between bullets at all now?

I mean, it's a bit harder in an assault suit. But I figured that was just the hit detection being fixed.

Becuase they added a tutorial?

The strafing too bad for you? Awww poor you... GO PLAY COD

Is that really what you want eve players? Dust filled with 12 year olds blasting ****** music on the mic.. I always thought you guys would be on our side in this skill based shooter debate. Increase the strafe speed please ccp.

The strafing too bad for you? Awww poor you... GO PLAY COD

If I had to made a guess i would have put you in the 12 year old music blasting corner.
Without a doubt.

That's EXACTLY the attitude that CCP doesn't want.

So many people just don't get it. This game needs LOTS of people buying things to make it commercially viable, if it isn't commercially viable it'll die. It's as simple as that.

If the basic mechanics are poor, no one will play it. People will do EXACTLY as you suggest - they'll go back to CoD and Dust will have about 2 or 3 thousand players playing half full games until it peters out and the plug is pulled.

Get real.

Strafe babies need to get real... Strafing wasn't made to dodge bullets. Also I see nearly NO difference in the strafing at all. These people complaining. They aren't the intelligent audience CCP is looking for in my absolute honest opinion. Yes I know they aren't JUST aiming towards intelligence... But at least SOME form of it is nice. Strafing is used in the military to come in and out of cover a little more quickly than turning and walking forwards. I understand this isn't the military. But look at all those pro gamers doing exactly the same thing.

I don't think CCP wants a bunch of three year old children complaining about something such as a minuscule reduce on strafe speed. YOU. Get real. At least I understand the real reason behind features. Can't handle strafing? You aren't as good as you think. I can handle it just fine. Learn how to play or GET OUT

The mmo take over the universe feeling of the game. If dust doesn't have good fps game mechanics then no one will play it.

The biggest thing that bothers me is that this game was supposed to be different. All these ****** fps games that cater to casuals and are filled with 12 year olds **** me off tbh.

Is that really what you want eve players? Dust filled with 12 year olds blasting ****** music on the mic.. I always thought you guys would be on our side in this skill based shooter debate. Increase the strafe speed please ccp.

This guy is special.

Strafe babies need to get real... Strafing wasn't made to dodge bullets. Also I see nearly NO difference in the strafing at all. These people complaining. They aren't the intelligent audience CCP is looking for in my absolute honest opinion. Yes I know they aren't JUST aiming towards intelligence... But at least SOME form of it is nice. Strafing is used in the military to come in and out of cover a little more quickly than turning and walking forwards. I understand this isn't the military. But look at all those pro gamers doing exactly the same thing.

I don't think CCP wants a bunch of three year old children complaining about something such as a minuscule reduce on strafe speed. YOU. Get real. At least I understand the real reason behind features. Can't handle strafing? You aren't as good as you think. I can handle it just fine. Learn how to play or GET OUT

If you think CCP doesn't want big numbers and huge profit from this game then there's absolutely no point debating with you.

I don't care about the strafe speed, I haven't even played this build yet. I'm talking about how the general FPS player perceives issues like this and how it can affect the rep of a game. Everything about Dust is just not up to scratch right now at a time when they are planning to open up the game to more and more people.

It's not about what I want from the game, it's about what's made FPS games the massive cultural phenomenon that they have become. What are they biggest online shooters? Why are they the most popular? Where did the other games go wrong in comparison?

I can assure you, it's all down to the core mechanics and how the game feels to play. Simple as that.

waaaaaaaaaah i cant strafe and kill **** anymore, THE GAME MUST BE DUMBED DOWN BECAUSE I WASNT THIS BAD LAST TIME!

Build a bloody bridge and get over it.
The strafing **** was dumb, I held a small bridge with my squad and had some scout strafe across it dodging every single shot (Hit Detection also helped) and then he did us in with a shotgun.

We shall see on release then, because in it's current form, this game is doomed.

3 builds ago-WAAHHH strafe speed is to high. I suck with a DS3 give me KB/M. We have the right to give all the feedback we want scrub.

There is no huge audience against strafe speed therefore it should be left as is.

but all I see is a game that is catering to those who lack any hand/ eye coordination.

This game is literally built for retards now.

CCP, I am disappoint.

Strafe speed will effect the outcome of this game and I'm guessing you know nothing about fps right? There have been 1000s of threads about increasing the strafe speed in the past 4 months... WTF are you talking about.

Really? I've been playing FPS since I was but a wee toddler... I know quite a lot and I also know that there's barely a difference between strafe speed after the change. The only way strafe speed could possibly decide the outcome now is if they did something horrible to it... I don't see that happening. Strafe speed is fine... Deal with it. I'm done posting this now. You all just keep coming at me with the same garbage and it's becoming very boring for me to look at.

Really? I've been playing FPS since I was but a wee toddler... I know quite a lot and I also know that there's barely a difference between strafe speed after the change. The only way strafe speed could possibly decide the outcome now is if they did something horrible to it... I don't see that happening. Strafe speed is fine... Deal with it. I'm done posting this now. You all just keep coming at me with the same garbage and it's becoming very boring for me to look at.

You have been playing fps since a toddler yet you think that game mechanics have nothing to do with how a game will do on the market. lol wow....

Not if the game mechanics are fine. Lol wow... How are you not understanding what I'm saying...

Evetards just want this game to be easy because they have garbage gun game. If ccp keeps listening to these idiots this game is going to fail after about a month or two.

I don't see many other people with that opinion. You only think it's doomed... Nobody knows if it is truly doomed. But the opinion of others outweighs yours. And yes... We shall see.

Take a look at the SMALL but pestering number of people complaining about strafe. Do you think someone coming in new is going to think strafing is too slow? No. Strafe speed is NOT going to affect this game. Especially if the change was so minuscule. What you fail to understand (Yes I said this in the first sentence but it seems I must repeat myself) is that as annoying as these people are. They are FEW in number. There is no huge audience against strafe speed therefore it should be left as is. I know we all want a bunch of people playing this game on release. It'll happen. Something small like strafe speed reduction (AS SMALL AS IT IS) isn't going to affect the player count's outcome.

Because it takes more skill to hit a target in strafe than a target that moves like a snail.

The health to strafe speed ratio is broken. The game is trash right now and will fail so hard like this. The game will fail with these broken game mechanics.