DUST Search - Why dumb the game down even more?

Coyskurk wrote:

Beast Beastlington wrote:

Coyskurk wrote:

Beast Beastlington wrote:

Coyskurk wrote:

The strafing too bad for you? Awww poor you... GO PLAY COD

That's EXACTLY the attitude that CCP doesn't want.

So many people just don't get it. This game needs LOTS of people buying things to make it commercially viable, if it isn't commercially viable it'll die. It's as simple as that.

If the basic mechanics are poor, no one will play it. People will do EXACTLY as you suggest - they'll go back to CoD and Dust will have about 2 or 3 thousand players playing half full games until it peters out and the plug is pulled.

Get real.

Strafe babies need to get real... Strafing wasn't made to dodge bullets. Also I see nearly NO difference in the strafing at all. These people complaining. They aren't the intelligent audience CCP is looking for in my absolute honest opinion. Yes I know they aren't JUST aiming towards intelligence... But at least SOME form of it is nice. Strafing is used in the military to come in and out of cover a little more quickly than turning and walking forwards. I understand this isn't the military. But look at all those pro gamers doing exactly the same thing.

I don't think CCP wants a bunch of three year old children complaining about something such as a minuscule reduce on strafe speed. YOU. Get real. At least I understand the real reason behind features. Can't handle strafing? You aren't as good as you think. I can handle it just fine. Learn how to play or GET OUT

If you think CCP doesn't want big numbers and huge profit from this game then there's absolutely no point debating with you.

I don't care about the strafe speed, I haven't even played this build yet. I'm talking about how the general FPS player perceives issues like this and how it can affect the rep of a game. Everything about Dust is just not up to scratch right now at a time when they are planning to open up the game to more and more people.

It's not about what I want from the game, it's about what's made FPS games the massive cultural phenomenon that they have become. What are they biggest online shooters? Why are they the most popular? Where did the other games go wrong in comparison?

I can assure you, it's all down to the core mechanics and how the game feels to play. Simple as that.

Take a look at the SMALL but pestering number of people complaining about strafe. Do you think someone coming in new is going to think strafing is too slow? No. Strafe speed is NOT going to affect this game. Especially if the change was so minuscule. What you fail to understand (Yes I said this in the first sentence but it seems I must repeat myself) is that as annoying as these people are. They are FEW in number. There is no huge audience against strafe speed therefore it should be left as is. I know we all want a bunch of people playing this game on release. It'll happen. Something small like strafe speed reduction (AS SMALL AS IT IS) isn't going to affect the player count's outcome.

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Khortez D Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 51	Posted - 2012.10.02 16:12:00 - [121] - Quote Coyskurk wrote: Beast Beastlington wrote: Coyskurk wrote: Beast Beastlington wrote: Coyskurk wrote: The strafing too bad for you? Awww poor you... GO PLAY COD That's EXACTLY the attitude that CCP doesn't want. So many people just don't get it. This game needs LOTS of people buying things to make it commercially viable, if it isn't commercially viable it'll die. It's as simple as that. If the basic mechanics are poor, no one will play it. People will do EXACTLY as you suggest - they'll go back to CoD and Dust will have about 2 or 3 thousand players playing half full games until it peters out and the plug is pulled. Get real. Strafe babies need to get real... Strafing wasn't made to dodge bullets. Also I see nearly NO difference in the strafing at all. These people complaining. They aren't the intelligent audience CCP is looking for in my absolute honest opinion. Yes I know they aren't JUST aiming towards intelligence... But at least SOME form of it is nice. Strafing is used in the military to come in and out of cover a little more quickly than turning and walking forwards. I understand this isn't the military. But look at all those pro gamers doing exactly the same thing. I don't think CCP wants a bunch of three year old children complaining about something such as a minuscule reduce on strafe speed. YOU. Get real. At least I understand the real reason behind features. Can't handle strafing? You aren't as good as you think. I can handle it just fine. Learn how to play or GET OUT If you think CCP doesn't want big numbers and huge profit from this game then there's absolutely no point debating with you. I don't care about the strafe speed, I haven't even played this build yet. I'm talking about how the general FPS player perceives issues like this and how it can affect the rep of a game. Everything about Dust is just not up to scratch right now at a time when they are planning to open up the game to more and more people. It's not about what I want from the game, it's about what's made FPS games the massive cultural phenomenon that they have become. What are they biggest online shooters? Why are they the most popular? Where did the other games go wrong in comparison? I can assure you, it's all down to the core mechanics and how the game feels to play. Simple as that. Take a look at the SMALL but pestering number of people complaining about strafe. Do you think someone coming in new is going to think strafing is too slow? No. Strafe speed is NOT going to affect this game. Especially if the change was so minuscule. What you fail to understand (Yes I said this in the first sentence but it seems I must repeat myself) is that as annoying as these people are. They are FEW in number. There is no huge audience against strafe speed therefore it should be left as is. I know we all want a bunch of people playing this game on release. It'll happen. Something small like strafe speed reduction (AS SMALL AS IT IS) isn't going to affect the player count's outcome. i just wanna say, one thing that is unique to dust is that... i have never seen any community actually get upset over strafing coming back or think it has nothing to do with the game, that is completely new to me. other then that i figured the base of players that liked strafing was actually pretty big seeing as strafing was introduce into games for a long long time now. edit: i do think strafing may be more okay then what i thought it was though, i still seem to be able to dodge something, i think i was just aiming too much
Goric Rumis Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 80	Posted - 2012.10.02 16:40:00 - [122] - Quote Regis Mark V wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: Cortez The Killer wrote: I'd like to hear in more detail what Zekain has to say on his post and why. By nerfing strafe speed even more they are catering to casuals and scrubs with no gun game. This game is starting to feel like a CoD clone with high health. Okay, why does a high strafe speed automatically equal "skilled" gameplay? The "dance" is stupid. Because it takes more skill to hit a target in strafe than a target that moves like a snail. TL;DR It takes more skill to hit a strafing target, but it takes a lot less skill to avoid gunfire by strafing. So the argument that it reduces the skill level required is pretty unfounded. I would like to try out the strafing nerf for a few weeks to give us time to adapt and see whether it promotes the adoption of new tactics, rather than "can I avoid getting hit while running around in the open." If I hate the strafing nerf after three or four weeks, then I might start to complain. I want to try it out rather than say, "This is the way all these other games are so it's not fun if this game isn't like that." Also... Crimson MoonV wrote: The health to strafe speed ratio is broken. The game is trash right now and will fail so hard like this. The game will fail with these broken game mechanics. There's a "health to strafe speed ratio"? What a weird way to measure the success of a game.

GM Hercules Game Masters C C P Alliance 335	Posted - 2012.10.02 19:40:00 - [123] - Quote This thread is under revision.



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