No need to facepalm because it's true Dust is a horrible game that caters to bad players even more than COD and I thought I'd never say that.

Explain to me how it makes sense to be able to dodge ******* bullets with a sidestep? Aren't our weapons supposed to be better than real world weapons, which you can't do that with? One of the main issues people have been lamenting is the tendency to camp that apparently follows the slower strafe speed, so compensate by allowing people to cover more ground faster, which is actually useful and practical.

God dammit Regis, why are you still here? Why are you still playing this game? For what reason are you determined to just **** all over everything about this game for months on end? If it offends you so much, why are you still here? Uninstall the client and biomass your characters.

Feedback is fine, but all you're doing is just posting about how the game is terrible because it doesn't fit with your vision for it. That's not helpful.

Buh-bye prancing fairy.

Stop comparing this "video game" to real life. We dont have FTL drives in real life. Can't inertia drop in real life. No clones in that can transfer thought and memory in real life. So your logic is completely flawed.

This is a video game if you want real life give everyone one life.

I have every right to still test this alpha build of Dust 514. If I don't tell CCP how bad there game is then all they have is a *** like you telling them how much of a good job there doing. Get your tongue out of there ass holes and pry your face away and maybe you would see how bad this **** is. Also if you don't like what I have to say about your precious game or CCP just ignore me and you'll never have to see or read my post again...

Evetards just want this game to be easy because they have garbage gun game. If ccp keeps listening to these idiots this game is going to fail after about a month or two.

I dont see how hand/eye coordination relates to intelligence. Keep the "gun game" slow and "team work" a necessity. The number of options and available tactics is what could make this game not dumb. The twitchier (is that a word?) The game gets the more you limit strategic options and the dumber the game gets.

I dont see how hand/eye coordination relates to intelligence. Keep the "gun game" slow and "team work" a necessity. The number of options and available tactics is what could make this game not dumb. The twitchier (is that a word?) The game gets the more you limit strategic options and the dumber the game gets.

You couldn't be more wrong. Take a look at mag. The most tactical shooter I have ever played. Yet it had a healthy strafe speed and people still used teamwork.

These "tactical" players obviously think slow means "tactical".

These "tactical" players obviously think slow means "tactical".

Sometimes I hate everybody, I really do. I think I've gotten dumber from reading through this thread. The "twitchiness" is what we're here to test. And it will be fixed, I'm sure of it. No Dev is going to look through a sniper scope at a guy trying to run up a cliff as he's twitching all around teleporting up and down as he clips off the terrain and say to themselves "Yup, this looks good. Ship this kitten I gotta get my monaaaay." I'm pretty sure they're gonna fix that stuff.

Sure CCP could screw this whole thing up and try and release it like it is now but I doubt it. If they did I wouldn't play it. But our purpose is the play this game that sucks and tell them why it sucks so they can fix it. I thought we were all on the same page, but I guess not. So whatever, go play cow clicker and stop clogging up the forums with your stupidity. I went in to this thing expecting a broken piece of crap, I didn't realize I was the only one.

I just played this last update. It's a lot better in a ton of ways. It still needs a lot of work, but that's why they're not releasing it next week. So let's put on our big boy pants and actually tell them why we don't like it. Which of course means thinking, and then articulating those thoughts in a useful way. So yea, that's gonna screw a lot of people but too bad. If you don't like thinking you really don't need to play a CCP game. I'm seeing so many similarities to EVE here, and if you can't handle that then seriously, just go away.

TL/DR - This game sucks at the moment and we're here to make it awesome. It has the potential to be an amazing game but it probably won't be for everyone. I have yet to see a single post from even the most idiotic player that says "This game sucks, it's just a clone of x or a ripoff of y". So hopefully we as a community of testers can help them fix it, but not by being idiots.

So I left, come back and still nothing has been civily explained about how it was "dumbed down"? Amazing.

A-F'ing-Men

Agreed. I tend to go on rants when people just whip out the "sucks" tag with nothing else behind it, waving it like a banner of superiority over the "ignorant masses". I need to get a handle on that, but I still stand by my point and the one that you made more succinctly that we aren't here too "tongue CCP's asses" (oh so eloquent, Regis...), but to provide the feedback necessary to help improve the game. The feedback we're already putting out on the new SP system and dropship flight ceilings are excellent examples.

MAG, a game that is mostly dead, by a company that no longer exists. Great example.
If you want to talk about a game that emphasizes tactics, at least mention a better example like Planetside 2, which I also play. Funny thing is, given the choice, I would go with Dust, because there's just no sense of accomplishment in P2. You can take all of Indar before you go to bed, but the other factions will just push back and camp you into your sanctuary while you're offline. You can have a 40 minute battle over a major base, be on the cusp of a narrow victory, and then the enemy leaves, caps the smaller areas around the base, and it flips to them automatically due to influence.

They've changed those aspects to make the game more tactical, and I've actually started enjoying it more, despite the fact that the multiple-server thing just doesn't sit right with me after 4 years of EVE. MAG supported 256 players by designing it's missions around keeping the team separated into smaller squads around the map with a lot of environmental clutter designed to prevent long sight lines to eliminate the possibility of framerate drop. It was revolutionary, but like the original Planetside, that doesn't mean it was a great game. I think its great that so many of it's players are being drawn to Dust, and I think you'll all make a great addition to the community, but MAG isn't an example that should be drawn from unequivocally, just like any other game.

Yeah and this game isn't to far behind MAG. The difference is CCP will have a horrible space subscription based MMO to fall back on. Zipper actually knows how to make a shooter. Also they got closed down because of Socom 4's failure. MAG sold over 1 mil in copies and that's considered good for a new IP in a saturated part of the gaming market.

Ok after reading this entire thread i see how this got "dumb downed". its all because most of this community cant say anything of value to the game. i'm not saying everyone just the real hardcore haters just because they get killed one or two times they freak out and say the game sucks. its a beta get over it. it improves over time and you may not like what they did but its not like the devs cant just apply a hotfix and balance stuff out. Regis the only thing i like about u is your name (im a huge MEGAS fans) but u need to relax dont take things so hard just like you voice your opinion you're going to have to brunt the people that have different opinions than you. and these insults that are being spit out isnt helping anything so chill man. voice you opinion but be prepared to have people attacking you opinion and treat the attacks with the most respect. if theres anything that i learned is that screaming, crying, and cursing always loses an arguement.

Ok after reading this entire thread i see how this got "dumb downed". its all because most of this community cant say anything of value to the game. i'm not saying everyone just the real hardcore haters just because they get killed one or two times they freak out and say the game sucks. its a beta get over it. it improves over time and you may not like what they did but its not like the devs cant just apply a hotfix and balance stuff out. Regis the only thing i like about u is your name (im a huge MEGAS fans) but u need to relax dont take things so hard just like you voice your opinion you're going to have to brunt the people that have different opinions than you. and these insults that are being spit out isnt helping anything so chill man. voice you opinion but be prepared to have people attacking you opinion and treat the attacks with the most respect. if theres anything that i learned is that screaming, crying, and cursing always loses an arguement.

Yeah and this game isn't to far behind MAG. The difference is CCP will have a horrible space subscription based MMO to fall back on. Zipper actually knows how to make a shooter. Also they got closed down because of Socom 4's failure. MAG sold over 1 mil in copies and that's considered good for a new IP in a saturated part of the gaming market.