DUST Search - Why dumb the game down even more?

Ragna Soul wrote:

Regis Mark V wrote:

Ragna Soul wrote:

Ok after reading this entire thread i see how this got "dumb downed". its all because most of this community cant say anything of value to the game. i'm not saying everyone just the real hardcore haters just because they get killed one or two times they freak out and say the game sucks. its a beta get over it. it improves over time and you may not like what they did but its not like the devs cant just apply a hotfix and balance stuff out. Regis the only thing i like about u is your name (im a huge MEGAS fans) but u need to relax dont take things so hard just like you voice your opinion you're going to have to brunt the people that have different opinions than you. and these insults that are being spit out isnt helping anything so chill man. voice you opinion but be prepared to have people attacking you opinion and treat the attacks with the most respect. if theres anything that i learned is that screaming, crying, and cursing always loses an arguement.

**** no I'm not relaxing for anyone. I'm not here to be liked either so you can like my name for MEGAS and not like me that means **** to me.

and thats great to hear man but it doesnt matter if you're just spitting out hate instead of having a reasonable debate about what you and everyone else thinks about whats right and wrong with the game. it helps no one when you cant reasonably explain your anger and frustration into a thought where it can help the Devs and explain your reasoning on why you hate that particular thing about the game.


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Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.10.02 01:46:00 - [1] - Quote Care to explain your thoughts and rationalizations out further then just screaming? I'd like to see exactly what you mean by what you say.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.10.02 02:00:00 - [2] - Quote I do not feel as if the game has dumbed down. You want to talk about dumbing down, look at Mass Effect3. Still the game is overwhelming to newer players and will feel that way for a while -- pending on the persons of course. I would still like to know though just exactly what you feel has been "dumbed down" so as to properly have a conversation. Otherwise this was pointless, no?
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.10.02 02:05:00 - [3] - Quote Kosen Driago wrote: what, because of the tutorial? You dont have to follow it if you dont wan't, or need to. I think it was a good idea to implement it though The tutorial was needed, and still feels incomplete. I skipped most of it to be honest, but I still say they need to implement a training ground for CoC (Chain of Command) Commander, and SL (Squad Leader) basics, and how to frago, and deploy various OB (Orbital Bombardments), tactics, ect, ect.. As it stands most are stumbling and do know how to be affective leaders. Those of us whom have had the time to learn or flesh it out are lucky now as those whom come after the [beta] will be the ones losing out. It needs to be implemented quickly.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.10.02 03:56:00 - [4] - Quote So I left, come back and still nothing has been civily explained about how it was "dumbed down"? Amazing.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.10.02 04:17:00 - [5] - Quote You know what? You know who has managed for sixteen years now.. Wow.. Sixteen years -- anyway! -- The game and people whom have managed the best between complexity and simplicity is the Poke'mon Co. and their game Pocket Monsters. That's Poke'mon for us westerners. Ha-ha. Still you have to admit that they do it best. Simple enough on the top where anyone can pick up the game and enjoy and complex enough to drive anyone willingly insane and into a frenzied hardcore master. Yup. Totally out in left field I know, but it is true. As for this game Dust514 being qoute-on-qoute "dumbed down" is a bit of wild shot in the dark. I mean c'mon the game is not finished, nor released. It's an unfinished product in the testing phases. So by which standard are you or anyone disclaiming that it has been "dumbed down." I'm not trying to sound like an arse. Just noticing that the reality is that it has not been. The game will be no less brutal or demoralizing to the players seeking riches then if they were playing EVE, or any other game. I mean if you really want to get technical I'd say some people are frightened. So much so infact that they are wanting immediate funds, and help from their corporations, and EVE accounts just to help ensure that they do not meet a grizzly fate, or fall. That is fear in my opinion, but who am I too gauge that. Point is the game and CCP are still trying to find that sweet spot. The same sweet spot infact that Pocket Monsters has held for over a decade. It's the perfect spot really. It attracts everyone, and all kinds of players, and people. However without taking away from any one particular crowd. You'll never stop people from griping though, or complaining. Nitpicking is a necessary evil, and honestly I doubt even if they made this game literally into a -- Rock, paper, scissor -- Pocket Monster game people wouldn't complain or gripe. Because, face it.. In the age of information and a tool such as the virtual world, and world wide web combined with anonymity, people will complain. Still. The game is fine, and on track for the most part. I'm not agreeing to everything. I had good and bad things to say about the build to be sure. However you cannot bake a cake without first breaking a few eggs. If you do continue to try you will not succeed. If Thomas Edison, had given up he would not have created the flourescent lightbulb for which our world takes for granted. Point is continue to play, enjoy yourselves, test and voice your concern. CCP will listen as best they can, and attempt to balance and adjust accordingly. Simple, no?
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.10.02 04:28:00 - [6] - Quote Ragna Soul wrote: Ok after reading this entire thread i see how this got "dumb downed". its all because most of this community cant say anything of value to the game. i'm not saying everyone just the real hardcore haters just because they get killed one or two times they freak out and say the game sucks. its a beta get over it. it improves over time and you may not like what they did but its not like the devs cant just apply a hotfix and balance stuff out. Regis the only thing i like about u is your name (im a huge MEGAS fans) but u need to relax dont take things so hard just like you voice your opinion you're going to have to brunt the people that have different opinions than you. and these insults that are being spit out isnt helping anything so chill man. voice you opinion but be prepared to have people attacking you opinion and treat the attacks with the most respect. if theres anything that i learned is that screaming, crying, and cursing always loses an arguement. Plus one and a present for you! Treasure Chest <--- Open it! Edit: For the record I disagree in that I feel it has not been "dumbed down". There is a difference between informing your players and dumbing it down. If a game lacks enough basics to inform a player then that is a problem. However this is an unfinished product. Saying it's dumbed down is like complaining about Coka~Cola from one year to the next in that you feel the forumla and swear to the heavens it has been changed. So now you do not like or agree with it. Seriously I've seen people complain that the can changed the taste. People are and always will complain.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.10.02 05:07:00 - [7] - Quote Ragna Soul wrote: Regis Mark V wrote: Ragna Soul wrote: Ok after reading this entire thread i see how this got "dumb downed". its all because most of this community cant say anything of value to the game. i'm not saying everyone just the real hardcore haters just because they get killed one or two times they freak out and say the game sucks. its a beta get over it. it improves over time and you may not like what they did but its not like the devs cant just apply a hotfix and balance stuff out. Regis the only thing i like about u is your name (im a huge MEGAS fans) but u need to relax dont take things so hard just like you voice your opinion you're going to have to brunt the people that have different opinions than you. and these insults that are being spit out isnt helping anything so chill man. voice you opinion but be prepared to have people attacking you opinion and treat the attacks with the most respect. if theres anything that i learned is that screaming, crying, and cursing always loses an arguement. ** no I'm not relaxing for anyone. I'm not here to be liked either so you can like my name for MEGAS and not like me that means ** to me. and thats great to hear man but it doesnt matter if you're just spitting out hate instead of having a reasonable debate about what you and everyone else thinks about whats right and wrong with the game. it helps no one when you cant reasonably explain your anger and frustration into a thought where it can help the Devs and explain your reasoning on why you hate that particular thing about the game. Mm. What's that, Master Yoda? Yoda, and two cents.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.10.02 05:14:00 - [8] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Quite a lot of responses for an OP completely lacking in substance. Yup.. Mostly it's been just two or three people though attacking one another. Sad honestly.