Even though MAG is still playable at the moment :]

Even though MAG is still playable at the moment :]

MAG is the best game ever made, so I believe Dust should be more like MAG in terms of FPS gameplay, comms, platoon structure, and scale. Only then would this game sucseed in replacing our beloved game. LONG LIVE MAG! MAY DUST FILL THE VOID LEFT BY MAG IN OUR LIVES!

Yes I know this is QQ inducing, we need some anyways to stay healthy, the STB threads arent doing it anymore.

I hate saying this, but I love MAG. Dust shouldn't be more like MAG, but it should be better than MAG. This is EVE universe, and we should play the rules of EVE.

where's the raging, angry flame posts at?

Cuz nothing says skill like shooting people while they're parachuting in, right?

where's the raging, angry flame posts at?

No one cares about MAG anymore except those who really can't play any other FPS.

lol, dont be ashamed to love MAG just because the community looks down upon it. We know we love MAG, and if we dont stand by this we might never be able to experience the type of epic gameplay MAG brought for us.

You're insulting KEQ.

What makes MAG great.

1. Proximity chat
2. 256 players, but it's structured to 32 vs 32. On Escalation is 32 vs 32 vs 32.
3. Constant feeling of adrenaline rush
4. Game modes are unique, such as Acquisition, Domination, Escalation, Interdiction, and Sabotage.
5. Platoon structure
6. Clan deploy
7. Airstrikes like Precision, Bombardment, Straffing run,
8. Repair kits and Med kits has a purpose.

What makes Dust different from MAG

1. UVT voice chat
2. Local chat room to talk with EVE players
3. Massive vehicle warfare if every player has enough ISK to duke it out
4. You can create many loadouts for every situation in a battle
5. Skill trees can take 7 years to complete
6. So far, I heard the scale is going to be 24 vs 24 per district battle, but there are numerous battle is happening in one planet simultaneously
7. Variety of MAPS
8. Contracts
9. Player vs Environment. You'll be fighting a lot of drones.
10. Corporation battles
11. You can sell your Aur items for ISK
12. Free to download

Edit: If only Dust and MAG are combined all together.

lol MAG was in no way a good game Zipper dose not keep up on there games at all sofar just from beta I think dust is a way better game . ccp dont make this game like mag .

You're insulting KEQ.

MAG is the best game ever made, so I believe Dust should be more like MAG in terms of FPS gameplay, comms, platoon structure, and scale. Only then would this game sucseed in replacing our beloved game. LONG LIVE MAG! MAY DUST FILL THE VOID LEFT BY MAG IN OUR LIVES!

Yes I know this is QQ inducing, we need some anyways to stay healthy, the STB threads arent doing it anymore.

Oh there they are

MAG is the best game ever made, so I believe Dust should be more like MAG in terms of FPS gameplay, comms, platoon structure, and scale. Only then would this game sucseed in replacing our beloved game. LONG LIVE MAG! MAY DUST FILL THE VOID LEFT BY MAG IN OUR LIVES!

Yes I know this is QQ inducing, we need some anyways to stay healthy, the STB threads arent doing it anymore.

stopped reading after there
as someone who played MAG alot i can tell u MAG is highly overrated, has no clan support....NO zerg deploy is NOT clan support....clan wars is. Maps were linear.......yes they were, break down how u approached each map and realised it was either left right or the dumbass route aka the middle. Dom wasnt epic like it was made out to be infact the entire game minus the INT and ESC are basically 32v32x 2 or x4 depending if ur playing ACQ or DOM

its a casual pubstar game.

where's the raging, angry flame posts at?

did you ever wonder why mag stopped being popular . and is now a dying game . don't model your game after a something that failed. that said bigger squads and faster cash and sp earn would be nice.

MAG was a great game. You as someone who admittedly played many hundreds of hours, can't deny that. (you wouldn't have played so much if it wasn't good)

That said, it DEF had it's flaws. However the good outweighed the bad, and a game like Dust should def take a look at MAG. Use elements that MAG got right, and avoid the mistakes that zipper made with their game.

I agree that the 128v128 and 64v64 were really just 32v32 x 4 and x2.... for the most part. (you could actually interact with the other 32v32 groups though) This aspect was overrated and not what made MAG great. It was the diversity of different objectives in battle, the proxy chat, and good comms system, the community, the rpg elements with the skill trees, all that individually were small things, but collectively made it a great game.

In terms of linearity of the maps...I agree, they were linear. However, this was a good thing. Sabo, Acq, and Dom were fairly linear, BUT this is what forced the action. You didn't have that many lows, it forced gun fights and action...where as with Dust's more open maps, there are plenty of times where you're looking for something to do, or someone to kill. Although in fairness, MAG had this with Interdiction and Escalation. They were more "open" but also had less action than the other modes. This has actually been one of my criticisms of Dust. It either needs a few more players than it currently has for each given map OR some maps that are a LITTLE more linear, to push the action more.

Edit: My point is... "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"

MAG was a great game. You as someone who admittedly played many hundreds of hours, can't deny that. (you wouldn't have played so much if it wasn't good)

That said, it DEF had it's flaws. However the good outweighed the bad, and a game like Dust should def take a look at MAG. Use elements that MAG got right, and avoid the mistakes that zipper made with their game.

I agree that the 128v128 and 64v64 were really just 32v32 x 4 and x2.... for the most part. (you could actually interact with the other 32v32 groups though) This aspect was overrated and not what made MAG great. It was the diversity of different objectives in battle, the proxy chat, and good comms system, the community, the rpg elements with the skill trees, all that individually were small things, but collectively made it a great game.

In terms of linearity of the maps...I agree, they were linear. However, this was a good thing. Sabo, Acq, and Dom were fairly linear, BUT this is what forced the action. You didn't have that many lows, it forced gun fights and action...where as with Dust's more open maps, there are plenty of times where you're looking for something to do, or someone to kill. Although in fairness, MAG had this with Interdiction and Escalation. They were more "open" but also had less action than the other modes. This has actually been one of my criticisms of Dust. It either needs a few more players than it currently has for each given map OR some maps that are a LITTLE more linear, to push the action more.

Edit: My point is... "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"

This is what Dust is lacking is MAG = Massive Action Game. There should be an objective that forces people to be in the objective.

In MAG:
1. Objectives double your points
2. Frago'd objectives double your points
3. Medic is rewarded because it gives points
4. Repair kits is always present, it gives double points for repairing an asset if frago'd
5. MVP is based on players who does more teamwork gameplay rather than just camping for kills. Teamwork gameplay like fighting near the objective, healing players, reviving players, repairing assets, etc.
6. At the end of a game, you get awarded for medals such as engineering, medic, screaming eagle, mvp, purple ribbons, grim reapers, etc. This shows your profile to let others knows what you do in the field. If you see someone has a lot of medic awards, heck...I'll get this guy in the group. Or...this guy has good KDR, but doesn't have repair medals, medic awards, and he has only a sniper medal specialist, this tell you that this guy must have been sniping all the time.

Dust is good, but it's lacking something. Dust is becoming like a farm fest for ISK and just leveling up. When I'm at MAG, I care a lot for winning. When I'm at Dust, who cares If I lose or win, I don't judge your ambition, I'm just here of what you can afford. You can pay the right price, I'm in.

MAG is the shiznits. Enjoyed every bit of that game for years. I hope to see Dust have 256 players or more in a battle at once without lag of course. I know CCP can do it. Will take time.

CCP should absorb all the positives of MAG and combine it with the new stuff and if executed properly, will create the best game ever made.

MAG is broke as **** bro, from people exploiting glitches in every map to the lag which has created the phrase "MAG rhymes with lag for a reason". It's playable, but it's on it's last breath and CCP is thankfully doing everything to put the poor thing out of it's misery by pandering to and usurping almost the entirety of it's remaining playerbase.

Dust 514 was NEVER meant to be anything like MAG in the long run and should NEVER become anything like MAG. GTFO and play something else if you want to play a game like MAG. Dust is meant to be a full-scale MMOFPS that directly links to the Eve universe.

Dust 514 was NEVER meant to be anything like MAG in the long run and should NEVER become anything like MAG. GTFO and play something else if you want to play a game like MAG. Dust is meant to be a full-scale MMOFPS that directly links to the Eve universe.

I love these kinds of GTFO posts.

Keyword: "Meant".

It plays nothing like an MMO. It's a 12v12 FPS with some RPG elements. At present, it's no deeper than anything else on the market.

When are we going to start testing them?

We're getting the first of it next build with Corporations. By the way, that's not just making our own, but being able to have EVE players on Singularity invite us to their's.

Dust 514 was NEVER meant to be anything like MAG in the long run and should NEVER become anything like MAG. GTFO and play something else if you want to play a game like MAG. Dust is meant to be a full-scale MMOFPS that directly links to the Eve universe.

MAG is the best game ever made, so I believe Dust should be more like MAG in terms of FPS gameplay, comms, platoon structure, and scale. Only then would this game sucseed in replacing our beloved game. LONG LIVE MAG! MAY DUST FILL THE VOID LEFT BY MAG IN OUR LIVES!

Yes I know this is QQ inducing, we need some anyways to stay healthy, the STB threads arent doing it anymore.

MAG set a new standard for FPS and there are 2 main companies trying to build on it right now. The first is DUST 514 (obviously) This is very obvious because of the way they have organized Squad Leadership, and Theatre Command. You may say that they are getting these concepts from Battlefield 3 or something, but try to name a game before MAG that had organized Squads... Nothing. MAG defined that part of the gaming world. DUST is already an improvement on MAG because of the EVE universe, and your ability to purchase assests and use them on the field. Also the vehicular combat of DUST blows MAG out of the water. DUST, however, falls short on groud leadership abilities. The players don't have very much motivation to stay with their squad. MAG did an excellent job at convincing people thhat they need to stick together and rely on eachother to win, which is something DUST is failing at.

The other game that is rising from MAG's ashes (and was mentioned earlier in the topic) is Planetside 2. This game has the player count problem fixed. The battle is ongoing and essentially never ends. There are thousands of players on one map (server) at any one time, but the thing about this game that is failing is any organization at all. Obviously due to the incredible map size, one all powerful commmander would be overwhellmed by the massive number of units he would have to command. For Planetside 2 to succede, they need to split the map into parts, and give a hierarchy of leadership applying to that portion of the map. Leadership roles would be rearranged and changed based on territory control, but it would make them game the ultimate experience.

Both games are in closed beta right now, and are both free to play. It will be interesting to see which one impliments leadership the fastest.

zipper closed shop it dont exsist any more cuase there ames where so bad they dident make any money so eat it

Really? hmmm rainbow six battlefield bad company two socom organized squads. if MAG birthed these ideas i would like proof of this and PLANETSIDE was made way before mag if you bothered to do your research. i gorw tired of people comparing it to make or make it something its not MAG is MAG DUST is DUST plain and simple. I persnally didnt like MAG due to poor community and Racial only squads. if you were not of some racial class they would kick you from the squad. incompetent leaders. simplistic gameplay. Game modes not enough to keep me occupied.

Haha, MAG was originally a SOCOM title, so it was part of the birth of the idea. Didn't do my research? ;) and all of the titles you mentioned came out in thhe same phase of gaming. First came the FPS, then the Different kits, then the skill tree, then the Leadership (the phase you mentioned), and now we are in a phase that seems to be splitting a little. Dust with its skill tree, squads, and MMO world effects, and Planetside 2 and its huge long term battles, skill tree, and squads.

I'm just saying that all Dust has to hold onto is EVE connection, new map layout every battle, and the skill tree. They don't have an impressive leadership structure (like PS2), they don't have a massive number of players (PS2), and they don't have long term battles! Sure they have long term effects of one battle, but they don't have any one player going on a real time campaign on a single planet. Planetside 2 may dominate Dust if Dust isn't careful. Lucky for Dust that they have the failsafe of being connected to EVE.

Guys! Do your research! Anybody can sound smart by bashing on someone and saying "I grow tired" which you mispelled btw ;)

Also, nobody is saying "ditch everything good about Dust and go straight for a MAG duplicate". What we are saying is "take the good from MAG and add it to Dust, because Dust has thhe potential to hold onto and support the things that MAG couldn't. It has the potential to support the things that would've made MAG a blockbuster.

oh pardon me for not being gramattically correct. and the cons outweigh the pros in MAG have you played EVE? because if you havent obviously you have no room to talk on What Dust can and will be. and your also dismissing the fact that this is a BETA. EVE is in my opinion one of the best MMO In PC.

I know a lot of us were hoping dust would be a step up from mag. Maybe in another 6 months to a year, but right now it's a long way off being any where near it.

Ya know what man? I'm sorry. I hate fights, and I don't know why I made those comments (I'll edit my rude comment out). I think you are totally right, I should've done my research, because you obviously have.

I think that this topic has a valid point still. To put it in a term that pro and anti MAG groupies will still appreciate, this is what I'd say. Dust has the potential to be the greatest FPS known to man. Because of its depth with the EVE universe, and the scenarios of those battles, we want organized military action. We want the battles to be an Organized Military Effort as opposed to a multi-million ISK contracted effort, being decided by a bunch of "run around and shoot players". What we want is to have organized structure to add to the depth and intensity of the Sandbox. The closest thing that people can think of as far as "organized military efforts" is MAG. MAG obviously had its downfalls, otherwise it would still be around today, but it did have a good aspect. The idea that troops aren't just dropped off and told to win, but rather placed in squads with many different aspects within, is what people loved about MAG, and what they hope will happen in Dust. I think that right now, it is not organized enough! I think we need more leaders to help with the organization, and I think we need more abilities for leaders to add a depth to the game that can only be acheived in a universe as deep as EVE. I made a topic about this, and its pretty much everything that we have been discussing about Dust in this topic, so if you want to read up on it, its called, [Suggestion] Enhanced Leadership Structure (skip to post 9 and you get all the details)

Once again, I am sorry. Hopefully we can continue this discussion without the Pro/Anti MAG issues.

I don't think they have 6 months! They said they were going to release Dust in 2012, so they are in the final stages of the Closed beta! They should be moving on to Open beta soon.

Once again Makledon. I really am sorry man. I feel like crud.

I will agree with you on that. it has great potential and has to be involved both in milita and in politics like EVE WE dont want call of duty run amock shoot without thinkin guys i want my squad to be coordinated and pricise after all your fighting for a planet. perhaps we can build installation corporate installations or "bases" with a confrence room

no problem man all in good debating is all. hmmm wouldnt it be cool for dust to have Naval battles in ocenic planets?

Oh man! I can see awesome naval battles off the coast, with aircraft carriers, Sea to Land Artillery, Raiding ships! Dude that would be amazing! It would also definately add depth to the Dust universe. It would be (as far as I know) the first of its kind!

Haha, yeah! I don't know if CCP will be able to impliment everything that people are looking for before 2012 is over, but they will probably have a ton of updates adding new stuff. They update EVE all the time don't they?

MAG is the best game ever made, so I believe Dust should be more like MAG in terms of FPS gameplay, comms, platoon structure, and scale. Only then would this game sucseed in replacing our beloved game. LONG LIVE MAG! MAY DUST FILL THE VOID LEFT BY MAG IN OUR LIVES!

Yes I know this is QQ inducing, we need some anyways to stay healthy, the STB threads arent doing it anymore.

I compare all other FPS to MAG.

wait mag is still running so theres no need to fill a void, or did i miss something awfully?

Personally i think that Mag and Dust are too different to fill the void the other game left, and i do think that they would be better off making MAG-2 or make a major patch to mag to introduce aircrafts.

MAG is the best game ever made, so I believe Dust should be more like MAG in terms of FPS gameplay, comms, platoon structure, and scale. Only then would this game sucseed in replacing our beloved game. LONG LIVE MAG! MAY DUST FILL THE VOID LEFT BY MAG IN OUR LIVES!

Yes I know this is QQ inducing, we need some anyways to stay healthy, the STB threads arent doing it anymore.

I know a lot of us were hoping dust would be a step up from mag. Maybe in another 6 months to a year, but right now it's a long way off being any where near it.