EV is a community of like minded individuals that have come together.
They have the mindset of unifying Dust mercs

They hope to build a community free of ego banging epens
They hope to build a bond between allaince members that will translate to complete cohesion on the battlefield

They hope to become a finicaily secure entity in New Eden
They conssit of MAG,BF3,EVE,COD,KZ,CS clans an corps

They are a group that maintains loyalty an respect hoping to reflect that ideal on others
They do not hide secrets from anyone member or enemy
They maintian a strict discpline over its members regarding disrespect an dissention

They live by a code of honor over a merc word

EV Quote

"A man live's his day's by his word. A man can only give his word once, After that its value will depend on the man's actions."
" Value your word with pride an be true to what EV stands for, Honor Respect, Truth, Teamwork."

That is who EV is.

I am the Spawning Genome of EV i am in charge of meeting new corps an trying to get them to join our Alliance.

I am a proud loyal follower to the Hivemind

I am the leader of STB an I am a member of EV

Does EV trump STB, or vice -versa........where does your loyalty side with in the end, as EV sounds more like a collection of corps/groups?

Does EV trump STB, or vice -versa........where does your loyalty side with in the end, as EV sounds more like a collection of corps/groups?

STB is a corporation, EV is an alliance of corporations.

It sounds like they have a fairly serious spy problem at the moment, and they're having difficulty getting rid of it.

I am STB an my loyalty resides in EV .. ps ironwolf its dead pool we stop taking bets on who you are ../. mainly casue we dont care an i never kicked anyone niether has EV..all the jargain that has been bloged about us is fabricated... This is the first formal post be an EV member today the post i made

STB is a corporation, EV is an alliance of corporations.

It sounds like they have a fairly serious spy problem at the moment, and they're having difficulty getting rid of it.

Ok so ev is an alliance. I have looked into a few different alliances like rofl and zion, why would I join ev over the other ones? Btw idk what this spy drama is about I just want to play with a mature group, im not into this childish crap.

So heres how it is Saber wolf is not friendly towards EV or STB so he trolls our tthreads

EV is not infested with anything other then loyal die hards so ty for the publicity an we shall SHUN THE NON BELIEVERS SHUN SHUN THE NON BELIEVERS SHUN THEM CHARLIE SHUUUUUUUUUNUUNNNNNNNN

so your spying i see... perhaps you should find something better to do with your time? your social status/situation is obviously weak if you resort to spying on a game? not hating just stating.

So heres how it is Saber wolf is not friendly towards EV or STB so he trolls our tthreads

EV is not infested with anything other then loyal die hards so ty for the publicity an we shall SHUN THE NON BELIEVERS SHUN SHUN THE NON BELIEVERS SHUN THEM CHARLIE SHUUUUUUUUUNUUNNNNNNNN

1) Reputable

They need to be 100% trusted. People don't want to risk paying money to people who will flip sides if the money is better

2) Professional

People also need to know that if they don't keep paying, they will lose their services. If A is paying them to kill B, and A stop paying, they will happily work for B if they want them to. That's the deal. You pay, they play.

3) Effective

They will of course need to be worth paying. They will need plenty of mercs, with the right mix of specialisations, both in SP, and player skill. People need to know that when they pay them 500,000,000 ISK for a planet capture, they will get the damn thing captured. Win rate will be important.

This also means that for top tier merc groups, they will need to have EVE players, because orbital bombardment will be important. Maybe the client can serve as the support for some conflicts, but people will pay more to have you do it 100%, if you can, and that means more profit.

4) Not infested with spies.

If I have a secret plan to capture planets from someone, last thing I want is for them to know the plans before the attack, letting them get their mercs ready to defend. Maybe even letting them know what we plan to attack with, so that they have the exact counter ready.

You may say this is "childish", but that's a mistake. In New Eden, spies can make or break a fight. When we are in fleet fights, we often have people in the other fleet, sending us info and plans from the enemy. This means we are ready for what they have, what they are doing, and can even be where they are going to be before them sometimes.

New Eden will be affected by spies, in the black, or on the ground, whether you think it is "childish" or not.

5) Simple to deal with

They will need to have a good team managing contracts, PR, relationships, logistics, and intel.

A merc group lives and dies by it's contracts. Sometimes, jobs will come in with fast turn around time. They will need people to create and agree to contracts, and get the assets on the ground in time for it to matter.

They will need people to manage all the people they know, and offer contracts to them, if they see the might need some help. They will need to manage intel, knowing who is fighting who, and what is going to be the next big conflict area.

All of this will require interaction with outside entities. Complicating things with "spawning genome" is just making things more complicated than they need to be. If you say "recruitment officer" people know what you are talking about.

"But it's a MAGICAL leopluradon!"

Coming from Eve I see spies everywhere. Get your tinfoil hats on. It's going to be a bumpy ride!

In my mind, there are several things a corp/alliance will need to be to sell themselves as mercs.

Didn't you say you wanted to group up today?


This is my point i am not a recruitment officer for EV i have a specfied postion we have titled as spawning genome it holds foundation in are organization to misunderstand it is expect we have as i stated developed somthing in EV that is differnt an all of these people trolling do so casue they actually have no clue wat is goin on! lol iron says he is watching us fall apart lol .. he reminds me of a nathanel hawthorne .. fiction horror drama .. i hope hes a jounralist major or mayb a lawyer?? hmmm

Quickgloves didn't you say you wanted to group up today?

im online now

im online now

EV will try to infect EVE but there are many vaccines for a virus and soon they will be destroyed and EVE will be rid of an infection

and its funny that they chose to be a virus for another term for a virus is a BUG and like its insect counter part they will be squashed under the heel of an alliance

EV will try to infect EVE but there are many vaccines for a virus and soon they will be destroyed and EVE will be rid of an infection

and its funny that they chose to be a virus for another term for a virus is a BUG and like its insect counter part they will be squashed under the heel of an alliance

Quickgloves, honest advice to you from an old Valor player. Let your guys post. You have a natural ability to sound like a tit on forums. YOU saying it's a mature gaming group with no chest beating just made me LoL.
Be the good old chest beating KDR is king STB. I mean, when you get drunk and racial on mic, you're going to burn people.

This mature thing... It's just not you. Don't pretend to be what you aren't.

@Iron Wolf
They only need to do a clan battle on MAG. You'd stick out like a sore thumb. I might make good security officer. If I could be bothered to not shoot face all the time.

So heres how it is Saber wolf is not friendly towards EV or STB so he trolls our tthreads

EV is not infested with anything other then loyal die hards so ty for the publicity an we shall SHUN THE NON BELIEVERS SHUN SHUN THE NON BELIEVERS SHUN THEM CHARLIE SHUUUUUUUUUNUUNNNNNNNN

And thats where you are also wrong crimson, not my target at all.

I don't care what your target is. You are a sad strange little man. As I said go say hi to the sun. Your existence is dismal.

Looks like the MAG-ites are getting a taste of pro level meta-gaming... :) EVE pilots, corporations, and alliances are the best in the world at it...

As far as it effectiveness this early in the beta is concerned...it's never too early.... alliances and corporation leadership in EVE will sometimes allow years to go by before exposing their master plan... can you say..

"Oh S**t! It's a trap!!!!"

Cheers mercs!

L8r,
FH

Pro? I am one of the worst spies as in the last guy you call into do anything.

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What is the EV?

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And you sumarised that from me trying to help STB with thier spy problem?

I been actually trying to help but your paranioa is going to kill your corp. Also this behavior right here is not going to get you hired by eve corps. They're going to shop elsewhere.

Worse for you is even though I am in the corp spying, I am not invoking anything just watching things fall apart slowly. Its like watching wild animals behaving in a habitat that isnt natural to them its not as exilerating as watching tigers in the savanna but more like sloths in the desert.

You are not trying to help.

You are the spy and you are trying to cause turmoil and paranoia within the clan.

You are a sad individual. Have fun being the sokis *****.

Its not that I dont doubt thier ability on the battlefield, I doubt thier ability at the dinner tables.

They currently have one corp in there thats sole purpose is to destroy the whole group, and the others where evalutaded at "Widely dispearsed and segregated mindsets goals agendas and conflicting interests."

Agent insertion was ID as far back as a year ago mostly observer types which have been feeding the current infil sabatour agents all the tools they need, mind you these agents are fromidable FPS players themselves so they can blend in and get trusted better.

Currently internal stife is reaching an all time high as they are going on witch hunts which funninly enough is only kicking out thier more legitimate members. Some of the leadership seems to be getting overly paranoid and underestimating the enimies inside thier house and thier intentions. For the longest time they though spies where there to 'discover' secrets. Hes finding out the hard way that spies care nothing for thier useless secrets and seek only one thing from EV.

Either way the situation last time I read it looks like it just hit critical mass. There is no going back now.

Some individuals however been showing they're willing to play the meta game but being a year behind on arsenel and lack of any counter intel program of thier own is going to doom the allaince regardless.

And quick gloves you nailed the wrong guy the other day and he was the only person who had a bats chance in hell in finding who I am in your corp.

Looks like the MAG-ites are getting a taste of pro level meta-gaming... :) EVE pilots, corporations, and alliances are the best in the world at it...

As far as it effectiveness this early in the beta is concerned...it's never too early.... alliances and corporation leadership in EVE will sometimes allow years to go by before exposing their master plan... can you say..

"Oh S**t! It's a trap!!!!"

Cheers mercs!

L8r,
FH

IDK whats worse kids talking about being spies in a game or people who initialize there own forum post

IDK whats worse kids talking about being spies in a game or people who initialize there own forum post

Spies huh... lol. Saber you do realize we don't have any secrets right? Our website is transparent you don't even have to be logged in to read forum posts or anything. So Saber how close are to to toppling use from with in? I mean seriously its not hard to find our precious secrets.

Now I've never played EVE so I'm not well versed on the subject but I have played many FPS games and have played on a competitive level and I can tell you that the way this new build plays and the direction CCP is taking this game is not good. I had very high hopes for dust but if things continue to fall in line it will be become a mediocre FPS relegated to unskilled gameplay dominated by EVE bankrolled players. I know all the EVE players want this game to be all about the so called "meta game" but if the FPS aspect doesn't improve we will be left with an MMO with mediocre FPS gameplay, played by only by EVE players.

Judging by this thread, they are tryhards who are going to take this game way too seriously.

This coming from someone that played MAG without a problem.

This is Eve, everyone takes it too seriously.

That's right... STB is a cult that decapitates and drinks the blood of small children.

Saber has a serious hard on for STB and needs to find a life.

Seriously these kids that sit behind their computer all day scheming are pretty sad. Spying and trying to cause witch hunts a year before the game even comes out just shows how much of a loser you are. Go outside dude. Watch a movie. Find a girlfriend. Your existence is pretty dismal at this point in time and I feel a little sorry for you.


What does spying accomplish this early in the beta? Oh cool you archived STB forums which are pretty much useless.

sounds just like GOONs!!!!


Again GOON attract hate, good job STB, you are not good, without the hate...



The usual reasons to infiltrate a corporation include hostile politics, greed, and disillusionment

I suggest reason in EvE will be the same so here some examples to get the juices flowing........

The most common greed-based reason to infiltrate a corporation is to establish some measure of trust, and then to abuse that trust to steal anything that isn't locked down. This might be as simple as emptying out a public corp hangar or borrowing a ship blueprint, or it could involve a somewhat more convoluted plan to tackle and kill a ship with valuable modules, as CONCORD will not intervene if members of the same corporation fight each other.

Another common reason is due the loyal player who is frustrated with his corporation (or more typically, his corporate leadership) he may decide to try to help the other side. This can be a bit tricky, since gaining the trust of the people your corporation is fighting; can border on the impossible depending on their level of paranoia. Consistently giving a lot of information to the same person will eventually work, or finding the one responsible for intel, if your information is accurate and leads to the infliction of disastrous losses.

The most common motivation for spying is probably to get better intelligence during wars. Spies want to know about member movements, fleet form-ups, and points of vulnerability. Being able to see a list of people that are online in a given corporation is nice, too, especially if you have

All of this will be relevant with DUST 514 being diffrent but very simillar. If you cannot see this in DUST, open your mind to CCP.

sounds just like GOONs!!!!


Again GOON attract hate, good job STB, you are not good, without the hate...



The usual reasons to infiltrate a corporation include hostile politics, greed, and disillusionment

I suggest reason in EvE will be the same so here some examples to get the juices flowing........

The most common greed-based reason to infiltrate a corporation is to establish some measure of trust, and then to abuse that trust to steal anything that isn't locked down. This might be as simple as emptying out a public corp hangar or borrowing a ship blueprint, or it could involve a somewhat more convoluted plan to tackle and kill a ship with valuable modules, as CONCORD will not intervene if members of the same corporation fight each other.

Another common reason is due the loyal player who is frustrated with his corporation (or more typically, his corporate leadership) he may decide to try to help the other side. This can be a bit tricky, since gaining the trust of the people your corporation is fighting; can border on the impossible depending on their level of paranoia. Consistently giving a lot of information to the same person will eventually work, or finding the one responsible for intel, if your information is accurate and leads to the infliction of disastrous losses.

The most common motivation for spying is probably to get better intelligence during wars. Spies want to know about member movements, fleet form-ups, and points of vulnerability. Being able to see a list of people that are online in a given corporation is nice, too, especially if you have

All of this will be relevant with DUST 514 being diffrent but very simillar. If you cannot see this in DUST, open your mind to CCP.

P.S. Your keyboard SUCKS, please get a new one.

FACT: tigers do not hunt in the Savanna.

Iron,

What you don't understand, is that some people will always stick by their leader, no matter how grim the situation. What makes the world so awesome, is that different people can do things in their own way. Just because Quick doesn't fit your leadership style, doesn't mean that his way of doing things will fail.

Quick obviously knows what he is doing, because he has a very VERY loyal playerbase. As is evidenced by his posts, he is not your normal leader, and well.... some people like it that way. Unorthadox, but man, playing with him is one of the more fun experiances you can have in a FPS. I think you should walk a mile in the man's shoes before you judge him. (cause then your a mile away, and now you have his shoes!)

The EV isn't about pretending to be awesome at a game we havn't played yet.... We take corps as they are, noob corps, pro corps, Corps from EVE looking for a home for their Dust operations free from politics, corps that don't understand how New Eden Works.... and we make them better. Simple.

So, in 5 years, when the EV and STB are still going strong.... all these posts prophesizing our doom will look really silly.

And if we do fall apart as you so expertly claim.... you will be no more of a prophet than those "end of the World" religious nuts, that claim every year that the world ends, hoping one year to be right.

-=-=-=-=-

I look forward to seeing how all the different Corporations, alliances, and organizations, come up with their unique way of dominating Dust. The only people's opinion who matter, are the type of people that don't rely on second hand knowledge, trolls, and gossip for knowledge.

**Edit** : Yes, we are animals that are in an enviropnment we are not accustomed to... because most of us havn't played EVE.... but hey... the game isn't out yet.... there is lots of time to learn! <3

@ the thread: I've been looking into a few different options for what corps and alliances to join, the EVn+ôn+òn+Æn+àpÇÇn+ên+ün+ôpÇÇn+ün+ÄpÇÇn+ën+Än+ön+àn+Æn+àn+ôn+ön+ën+Än+çpÇÇn+ën+än+àn+ün+îpÇÇn+én+òn+öpÇÇn+ùn+ên+ün+öpÇÇn+ôn+àn+Én+àn+Æn+ün+ön+àn+ôpÇÇn+ön+ên+à EVpÇÇn+ån+Æn+Ån+ìpÇÇn+ön+ên+àpÇÇn+Ån+ön+ên+àn+ÆpÇÇn+ün+în+în+ën+ün+Än+ân+àn+ôn+ƒpÇÇn++n+ên+ün+öpÇÇn+én+àn+Än+àn+ån+ën+ön+ôn+îpÇÇn+ùn+Ån+òn+în+äpÇÇn+¬n+îpÇÇn+ün+ôpÇÇn+üpÇÇn+Æn+àn+în+ün+ön+ën+ûn+àn+în+ÖpÇÇn+ân+ün+ôn+òn+ün+îpÇÇn+çn+ün+ìn+àn+ÆpÇÇn+Æn+àn+ân+ën+àn+ûn+àpÇÇn+ån+Æn+Ån+ìpÇÇn+ön+ên+àpÇÇn+Ñn+¦pÇÇn+ön+ên+ün+öpÇÇn+¬pÇÇn+ùn+Ån+òn+în+än+àn+Än+öpÇÇn+çn+àn+öpÇÇn+ën+ÄpÇÇn+ön+ên+àpÇÇn+Ån+ön+ên+àn+ÆpÇÇn+ün+în+în+ën+ün+Än+ân+àn+ôn+ƒ

Well Superman I am trying to help you guys out a bit.

So Ill explain the dinner table and what its about.

The battlefield, for all its complexities and ever changing nature, its very forgiving, you can win you can lose you can come back another day and try again.

The dinnertable is less forgiving. No corp to this day has survived losing at the dinner table.

You and your worst enemy in the world are seated at this dinnertable
No Weapons.
No Touching
No Talking.
How do you kill him?

poison his food. duh?

EV is a community of like minded individuals that have come together.
They have the mindset of unifying Dust mercs

They hope to build a community free of ego banging epens
They hope to build a bond between allaince members that will translate to complete cohesion on the battlefield

They hope to become a finicaily secure entity in New Eden
They conssit of MAG,BF3,EVE,COD,KZ,CS clans an corps

They are a group that maintains loyalty an respect hoping to reflect that ideal on others
They do not hide secrets from anyone member or enemy
They maintian a strict discpline over its members regarding disrespect an dissention

They live by a code of honor over a merc word

EV Quote

"A man live's his day's by his word. A man can only give his word once, After that its value will depend on the man's actions."
" Value your word with pride an be true to what EV stands for, Honor Respect, Truth, Teamwork."

That is who EV is.

I am the Spawning Genome of EV i am in charge of meeting new corps an trying to get them to join our Alliance.

I am a proud loyal follower to the Hivemind

I am the leader of STB an I am a member of EV

o really? shame people dont think that on the game then isnt it? :L when we run together we crush everyone... that makes us pretty useful if the contract involves killing/invading. 1-0, sir. you're move.

EV is a community of like minded individuals that have come together.
They have the mindset of unifying Dust mercs

They hope to build a community free of ego banging epens
They hope to build a bond between allaince members that will translate to complete cohesion on the battlefield

They hope to become a finicaily secure entity in New Eden
They conssit of MAG,BF3,EVE,COD,KZ,CS clans an corps

They are a group that maintains loyalty an respect hoping to reflect that ideal on others
They do not hide secrets from anyone member or enemy
They maintian a strict discpline over its members regarding disrespect an dissention

They live by a code of honor over a merc word

EV Quote

"A man live's his day's by his word. A man can only give his word once, After that its value will depend on the man's actions."
" Value your word with pride an be true to what EV stands for, Honor Respect, Truth, Teamwork."

That is who EV is.

I am the Spawning Genome of EV i am in charge of meeting new corps an trying to get them to join our Alliance.

I am a proud loyal follower to the Hivemind

I am the leader of STB an I am a member of EV

k nice bs, now accept the fact that your stupid and just got outsmarted. a target everyone will just hit for the eve? eve people cant do jacksh1t without putting their feet on the ground and fighting us. thus we will win. gf nub gg.

Lol evetards running scared because they are afraid of fps players.

Quickgloves you and your EV group have seemed to have struck a nerve and are clearly the biggest threat to their life in New Eden at the moment. Wonder how they are going to handle the influx of clans from some of the major games.

One thing I have to say though I have never been so keen for a release of a game and to see exactly how much ccp let the 2 sides interfere with each others plans.

It is a day I really look forward to.

On a side note I love all this drama too, it might just get my girlfriend behind this game slightly more. At the moment she hates anything Dust related.

you didnt write this, its legible you got your own ghostwriter now lolz

Mind you Goonswarm are not 'evetards' they're mmo-destroyers.

One can go as far to blame goonswarm for making star trek online free to play now.

What makes you think they wont break your toys as well?

If they are so damn scary I look forward to meeting them and have a good time while gaming against them.

I really don't know how they are going to fit 10 000 something awful nerds into 1 lobby with me.

I'm intrigued now.

Can you mention a big mmo that they have ruined?

Star trek lol.

You guys make new eden sound so scary.

I know its a beta. I have 6 mil isk, 2 mil sp and all this by lonewolfing in 3 days of spurts of playing. This is the easiest game I have played as of late.

Screw goonswarm and their budget swarming techniques. War has shown time and time again its not always the numbers that win.

They have never ruined 1 day of my fps gaming and I don't think they going to start now.

Please carry on,a little advice...people can understand you better when you don't have goonswarm ***** in your mouth.

HAHAHAHA i wont lie careful wat you say about EVE corps .lol STB got wardecked on EVE yesterday lasted less then 24 hours but therere serious here they are testing our stregnth an core

I have no doubts they are extremely good at eve. They have been playing it for ages. I will even say I respect them and if I could make them a single entity I would even let them take john edwards title this year as universes biggest douche. I fear he has had it for several years now and is showing no signs of stopping his terror title run.

I have nothing invested in eve and never will. They are going to have to come to our world if they truly want to ruin my day.

What is going to be funny is 12 adults getting home from work having a few beers and talking **** over a mic while ruining a nerds month worth of preparation because they forgot half of this game is FPS.

If you don't mind me asking quickgloves,how long have you been playing eve for? When I spoke to you over the mic you sounded like a hardcore ps3 gamer.

ihave only been playing eve for like 2 weeks lol.. figured i want ed to learn alil about my enemy so i joineed ..up believe me i am aPS3 GAmer which is why im so excited to show cross platform mayhem

ITT : http://i.imgur.com/mAUwe.jpg

Stop talking big. It's childish.

Talking about the goons as if they are all "spaceship nerds" who only play EVE. These people play a lot of games, and while some suck at EVE, there are plenty around to play FPS. Their forum, something awful, has a **** load of people who would love to play EVE if they could, but suck at it. They are going to join a goon DUST corp. "166,224 users total." That's SA. You think they can't get 100 people together to kick your ass, even if they didn't have goonswarm in game backing them up? Goons in EVE or not, there will be a goon presence in DUST, and that's only one group. There are plenty of other people who are ready to rock and roll. TEST and subdreddit, as another example.

People talking big about 3 mil. Ha. In eve, if you have 3 mil ISK you are poor. So poor. The second smallest T1 ships in the game go for around 5-10 mil. I make 30 mil an hour in EVE. And I am slow at earning money. Anyone with EVE corps behind them will be able to ignore personal costs for the most part, I imagine. You just buy what you need, expense be damned.

I fly in EVE, but that does not mean I can't manage in FPS games. I used to play CS competitively, and still play a lot of FPS games, on PC. Not a lot on console, because dominating some kids at CoD got old, fast, when there was a skilled mature crowd playing on PC. Not saying I could beat console pro's, but hey, I'm not perfect. You make the assumption that all people in EVE can't play FPS games, or that you are somehow "better". That's hilarious.

And "12 adults getting home from work having a few beers and talking **** over a mic while ruining a nerds month worth of preparation because they forgot half of this game is FPS." is forgetting that there are mostly adults playing EVE too. Adults who are far less cocky and sure of themselves. I'm not saying that I am going to be the one to kill you on the battlefield. You might be better than me, but you will NOT be better than the people that the CFC and HBC bring to the table. You can probably kill SoCo though.

LMAO just saw that pic!

Is that the goonswarm leader or is it still that fat COW.

Talk about something awful.

Anyway enough goonswarm drama for me. Going back to dust now where goonswarm ain't nothing but easter bunnies.

Goonswarm is EVE. You won't hear about them in any other game. Try getting some information before making long ranting posts that make you seem like an idiot.

Goons in general come from SomethingAwful, or SA. They play a lot of games because they have a lot of people. I'm a goon. I don't play with goonswarm (i'm TEST) but I am on the SA forums.

I play with Goons in OFP/ArmA/Arma2. They are half of the most successful group in arma, Shack Tactical. Our group literally wrote the guidebook for Arma (http://www.lulu.com/shop/andrew-gluck/dslyecxis-tactics-techniques-procedures-guide-for-arma-mono/paperback/product-1241969.html). It's not a walkthough of missions, it's how to play, and win.

They play loads of games. Here are one of their groups that play BF3. They just **** around and have fun.
http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/platoon/2832655240985153294/

100 people and a positive KDR at the very least.

edit : oh, mittens posting about Dust. The goons are coming.

STB is a corporation, EV is an alliance of corporations.

It sounds like they have a fairly serious spy problem at the moment, and they're having difficulty getting rid of it.

I was worried that DUST wouldn't feel very Eve-like, now I know its gonna be a blast. - Eve politics is the best.

Btw you can absolutely never eliminate spys. Eve players are used to the long game - as in years. All you can really do is operate Corps and Alliances in such a way as to make them irrelevant.

Correct, but I dont think leaving the doors so wide open anyone can walk in and read the latest news is the way to go.

Well if they are doing that then you can bet there are some hidden layers, nice challenge for you. I only did one stint as a spy - I bought about the end of a small alliance by ensuring they got destroyed on the battlefield. Unfortunatly the people I had got to know were really nice/good and I felt bad. I am not cut out to be a spy, but I certainly appreciate the game.

Are you busy gooning me now by wasting my time? I ask for your best. You show me a list of scrubs with less than stellar stats.

Even tell me which goon is in the top 100 of this game and then I'll be willing to change my stance.
Why do they not wear goon tags? Is there something to be embarrassed about? Or do they wait for that one day where they actually beat a clan of skill and then start yelling we R goons,we trolled you.

Also are you joking? The best player on that team has a kd of 2.89 and I'm being generous with the number because I can't exactly remember. It was not note worthy.

Are they coming to get me in dust now? I'll quickly get back to it and try to put on my scared face.

Edit :

I wish Goons was not the go to "scary entity" for EVE. I'm in TEST, and we are at least as ******** as GSF. I guess we just don't have the same history of forced emergent gameplay.

Isnt arma one of those shooters that one bullet kills you?

Goon income for 1 month (to alliance wallet) is around 1 trillion. It goes up and down, but it's in that area. They can continue the forever war.

Ok, I'll give you that... but at the expense of everything else? And secondly, I'm not talking just about Goons here.. they are not the only major EVE alliance...

I'm not sure that would make sense anyway.. like I said.. maybe for a few months, but might leave them vulnerable in other areas if done for an extended period of time and possibly require a minor tax increases...

L8r,
FH

"Goons" is not a gaming clan. Hence they don't have standard tags. They just choose whatever name they want, usually something silly or funny.

You also don't seem to get how gaming works. I've done the clan thing, long before you, I'm sure (cue : "I'm probably older than you response, and I drink beer with my 12 adult friends."). That team is not the goons trying to beat you , it's them having fun.

Why not actually show me where you are top 100? I'm not looking through 133,000 people for winners. Why don't you prove you are elite PvP.

Edit :

I wish Goons was not the go to "scary entity" for EVE. I'm in TEST, and we are at least as ******** as GSF. I guess we just don't have the same history of forced emergent gameplay.

Your numbers were for a combined arms nullsec offensive, which is, by all means, what they do now. Goons attack / defend nullsec space. They would not be taking out a trillion to do it, they would be topping up their costs to cover DUST actions, and that is probably the "smaller half" of that figure.

Quake, one of the longest running competitive games was released in 1996.
Counter Strike was first released in 1999.
PS2 came out in 2000.
EVE came out in 2003.
PS3 came out in 2006.
MW came out in 2007.
MAG released in 2010.

Quake is 16 years old.
EVE is only 9.
PS3 is a mere 6 years old.

PS3 is a child. Clans have been around a while buddy. It didn't start with CoD.

Link me your stats page. Why make me look for it. Prove to us all that you have the skill you claim. And what game is this? Pro-tip. If it has points appearing above an enemies head when they die, nobody in the real competitive scene will take you seriously. Your game is mass market appeal, designed to feed easy gameplay.

Adding Ground based operations may also net increased profit.... Unless DUst is just an ISK sink to balance large alliances controlling 1/2 of null sec, increaseing cost as size grows....

Which makes sense.... cost should exponentially increase for a business, not be linear.

Also, to reiterate... People who think they are spies in the EV, really are not spies.

When I first started Entropy Virus, I had crazy outlandish ideas, and big aspirations on how I was going to run things. I wanted to keep things super secret, and I had the network of friends to get big quickly. I made the mistake of talking to ROFL about working together, and next thing I know... drama city, spies, **** talking, EV sucks... blah blah blah.

Since then, I have made everything from what I do in the week for the EV public. Individuals are encouraged to have their own security in their corps, but when it comes to my intentions for EVE/DUST, I'm going to be honest with you, because me getting a job requires honesty, not secrecy.

Anyone who wishes to be a spy, feel free to apply! We can use some more activity on our forums! :D

Iron, your a smart guy, and I know the game your playing, and in some ways I appreciate it. I'd actually be interested in hearing your thoughts on how the EV could improve. Especially if you represent one of the larger alliances, the EV needs to position itself to mold to what you want (eventually, right now, primary concern will be faction wars)

At least you're bending with the wind a bit, thats good. Also note I am an independent agent and dont have alot of resources at my disposal other than what I have on me. Its not my job to analyze data, just gather and report. Egg heads else where digest what I divulge and turn them into weapons more deadlier than I sometimes imagine.

So.. First we need to look at the very big picture.

(snip)......

So as of now you can only practice a fraction of the war on the ground, but you need to start fomulating and planning for this phase to come in, see how all the peices fall together understanding that everything you see on the battlefield is the result of a corp spending money there. Biomass? Somone paid for that! Communications? Somone paid for that! MCCs? Somone paid for that! Null Cannons? Somone paid for that! the 100 clones and gear you bring in to take the place? Your corp paid for that. Turst me they're going to fight just as hard to keep it as these things are not cheap and you're going to need a commander to spend his clones warpoints and your isk wisely.

Hey im here for EV. I just can't stand the forums here. Instead of trying to correct problems people would rather argue.

Trading floor warfare is most likely going to remain in Eve hands for a while but understand trading floor warfare is some of the most vicious combat in Eve.

(snip...:)

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find strategy is like sales.
the end of the day, if you can sell, you can sell pencils, cell phones, cars insurance.... whatever. Doesn't matter.

If you know strategy...
you can play EVE, hex board games, warhammer, FPS mass players.... doesn't matter.

If you rely on using "strategies" instead of Strategy.... then your going to be in trouble if battlefield/political conditions change. That's why I generally don't pay attention to other people when I'm learning a game, and go in head first, because if you follow the general consensus on how to play a game.... your going to be trumped by people with experiance.

Now if you change the game.....

Anyhoo.

(snip..:)

The next battlefield I like to use the anaology of the dinner table. The spy game is older than guiding hand social club, however GHSC redefined what spying meant in new eden, It was no longer passivly leaking information, its activly seeking destruction of a corporation without using means of trigger pulling. Which is why the dinner table is so appropriate.

You, a stranger who is your worst enemy in the world sitting at the same table in this resturant.
No weapons
No words
No touching
How do you kill him?

The number of ways people come up with is rather staggering, however so are the counter measures. hey may try to poison you, you counter with your antidote, you replaced his drink with an acid, he hired the waiter to swap drinks. the game goes on and its a rather deadly dance and unlike any other battlefield, if he kills you its game over. Its possible to esape wounded or missing an arm but that certainly beats losing at the dinner table entirely. As long as you can get back to the table you should be good to go.

(snip..)

And yes as being the second worst spy in new eden my advice is third rate and well far behind current methoods. The secuirty advice I give is common sense, and imperfect balance of acceptable risk but its better than the few words and numbers some allaince members of yours require, If you're good with diplomacy you could convice others to show you around a bit let you in on how they operate and the expetections of several envrionments.

There is also piles and piles of allaince corproate hisotries of note, from the most successful empires, to the most abysmal defeats, look them all up becuase history has a nasty habit of repeating itself. Read up on them when time allots itself.

You are all New Eden immigrants, you're moving into a galaxy from the eyes of an immortal soldier, a galaxy which doesnt give a damn who your are and will everything in its power to get rid of you and treats both dust 514 mercs and eve capsuleers with the same level of disregard. The grunts that refuse to belive this do not be holding positions of importance no higher than squad leaders, they would only make the mistakes that destroy the corp doing so. You're much better off getting fresh minded gamers or those who been in eve for a while to take the pisitons up you are going to need as an allaince.

Also if you are trying to form an allaince fix the soul before you fix the skin, most of your grunts express a blatant disregard for things that they cant shoot and think shooting fixes everything. I explained every situation where shooting wont fix it. Indoctrinate them a bit if need so, educate them as since you're thier leader you have thier attention better than I can ever hold it. Make it digestable for them, get them to behave better as well to possible future customers. Calling every eve online pilot an eve tard will attack more war delcaraiotns than contracts and not helpful when you're trying to make friends with capsuleers.

Once the soul is fixed, fix the bone, you're numbers are rather low you need to bring more into the fold, with a proper soul set into place you will attract the players you need, there are some non allaince corps just as large as your allaince and that needs to change to take on the challenges in the small game. Once both soul and bone is fixed the skin should fix itself your advertising will be more precise clean and unbreakable and unquestionable, when you sprout you motto or motif with every layer fixed it will do much more good than harm.

And yes as being the second worst spy in new eden my advice is third rate and well far behind current methoods. The secuirty advice I give is common sense, and imperfect balance of acceptable risk but its better than the few words and numbers some allaince members of yours require, If you're good with diplomacy you could convice others to show you around a bit let you in on how they operate and the expetections of several envrionments.

There is also piles and piles of allaince corproate hisotries of note, from the most successful empires, to the most abysmal defeats, look them all up becuase history has a nasty habit of repeating itself. Read up on them when time allots itself.

You are all New Eden immigrants, you're moving into a galaxy from the eyes of an immortal soldier, a galaxy which doesnt give a damn who your are and will everything in its power to get rid of you and treats both dust 514 mercs and eve capsuleers with the same level of disregard. The grunts that refuse to belive this do not be holding positions of importance no higher than squad leaders, they would only make the mistakes that destroy the corp doing so. You're much better off getting fresh minded gamers or those who been in eve for a while to take the pisitons up you are going to need as an allaince.

Also if you are trying to form an allaince fix the soul before you fix the skin, most of your grunts express a blatant disregard for things that they cant shoot and think shooting fixes everything. I explained every situation where shooting wont fix it. Indoctrinate them a bit if need so, educate them as since you're thier leader you have thier attention better than I can ever hold it. Make it digestable for them, get them to behave better as well to possible future customers. Calling every eve online pilot an eve tard will attack more war delcaraiotns than contracts and not helpful when you're trying to make friends with capsuleers.

Once the soul is fixed, fix the bone, you're numbers are rather low you need to bring more into the fold, with a proper soul set into place you will attract the players you need, there are some non allaince corps just as large as your allaince and that needs to change to take on the challenges in the small game. Once both soul and bone is fixed the skin should fix itself your advertising will be more precise clean and unbreakable and unquestionable, when you sprout you motto or motif with every layer fixed it will do much more good than harm.

For what i'm assuming is a Highsec pubbie you give a lot of good advice, it would be a lot more fun for us though if you leave them be so we can use their bones to climb on and cement our position in FW and use it as a playground prior to Nullsec being added.

What Corp do you fly with?

he wont tell anyone casue he is embarssing them an doesnt want to get kicked

He's not embarassing them at all, You'll learn this about 3 months after launch.

EV is like an alliance with training wheels.

lol

TEST and the Honey Badger Coalition is a Alliance with Training wheels and they own a lot of space and have a lot of power, EV are nowhere near the same League as Test.

Honestly, TEST have admitted to having the training wheels on themselves until the last month or so. They really are still new on the scene when you compare them to the CFC of AAA or whoever.