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I wish Goons was not the go to "scary entity" for EVE. I'm in TEST, and we are at least as ******** as GSF. I guess we just don't have the same history of forced emergent gameplay.

Isnt arma one of those shooters that one bullet kills you?

Goon income for 1 month (to alliance wallet) is around 1 trillion. It goes up and down, but it's in that area. They can continue the forever war.

Ok, I'll give you that... but at the expense of everything else? And secondly, I'm not talking just about Goons here.. they are not the only major EVE alliance...

I'm not sure that would make sense anyway.. like I said.. maybe for a few months, but might leave them vulnerable in other areas if done for an extended period of time and possibly require a minor tax increases...

L8r,
FH

"Goons" is not a gaming clan. Hence they don't have standard tags. They just choose whatever name they want, usually something silly or funny.

You also don't seem to get how gaming works. I've done the clan thing, long before you, I'm sure (cue : "I'm probably older than you response, and I drink beer with my 12 adult friends."). That team is not the goons trying to beat you , it's them having fun.

Why not actually show me where you are top 100? I'm not looking through 133,000 people for winners. Why don't you prove you are elite PvP.

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I wish Goons was not the go to "scary entity" for EVE. I'm in TEST, and we are at least as ******** as GSF. I guess we just don't have the same history of forced emergent gameplay.

Your numbers were for a combined arms nullsec offensive, which is, by all means, what they do now. Goons attack / defend nullsec space. They would not be taking out a trillion to do it, they would be topping up their costs to cover DUST actions, and that is probably the "smaller half" of that figure.

Quake, one of the longest running competitive games was released in 1996.
Counter Strike was first released in 1999.
PS2 came out in 2000.
EVE came out in 2003.
PS3 came out in 2006.
MW came out in 2007.
MAG released in 2010.

Quake is 16 years old.
EVE is only 9.
PS3 is a mere 6 years old.

PS3 is a child. Clans have been around a while buddy. It didn't start with CoD.

Link me your stats page. Why make me look for it. Prove to us all that you have the skill you claim. And what game is this? Pro-tip. If it has points appearing above an enemies head when they die, nobody in the real competitive scene will take you seriously. Your game is mass market appeal, designed to feed easy gameplay.

Adding Ground based operations may also net increased profit.... Unless DUst is just an ISK sink to balance large alliances controlling 1/2 of null sec, increaseing cost as size grows....

Which makes sense.... cost should exponentially increase for a business, not be linear.

Also, to reiterate... People who think they are spies in the EV, really are not spies.

When I first started Entropy Virus, I had crazy outlandish ideas, and big aspirations on how I was going to run things. I wanted to keep things super secret, and I had the network of friends to get big quickly. I made the mistake of talking to ROFL about working together, and next thing I know... drama city, spies, **** talking, EV sucks... blah blah blah.

Since then, I have made everything from what I do in the week for the EV public. Individuals are encouraged to have their own security in their corps, but when it comes to my intentions for EVE/DUST, I'm going to be honest with you, because me getting a job requires honesty, not secrecy.

Anyone who wishes to be a spy, feel free to apply! We can use some more activity on our forums! :D

Iron, your a smart guy, and I know the game your playing, and in some ways I appreciate it. I'd actually be interested in hearing your thoughts on how the EV could improve. Especially if you represent one of the larger alliances, the EV needs to position itself to mold to what you want (eventually, right now, primary concern will be faction wars)

At least you're bending with the wind a bit, thats good. Also note I am an independent agent and dont have alot of resources at my disposal other than what I have on me. Its not my job to analyze data, just gather and report. Egg heads else where digest what I divulge and turn them into weapons more deadlier than I sometimes imagine.

So.. First we need to look at the very big picture.

(snip)......

So as of now you can only practice a fraction of the war on the ground, but you need to start fomulating and planning for this phase to come in, see how all the peices fall together understanding that everything you see on the battlefield is the result of a corp spending money there. Biomass? Somone paid for that! Communications? Somone paid for that! MCCs? Somone paid for that! Null Cannons? Somone paid for that! the 100 clones and gear you bring in to take the place? Your corp paid for that. Turst me they're going to fight just as hard to keep it as these things are not cheap and you're going to need a commander to spend his clones warpoints and your isk wisely.

Hey im here for EV. I just can't stand the forums here. Instead of trying to correct problems people would rather argue.

Trading floor warfare is most likely going to remain in Eve hands for a while but understand trading floor warfare is some of the most vicious combat in Eve.

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find strategy is like sales.
the end of the day, if you can sell, you can sell pencils, cell phones, cars insurance.... whatever. Doesn't matter.

If you know strategy...
you can play EVE, hex board games, warhammer, FPS mass players.... doesn't matter.

If you rely on using "strategies" instead of Strategy.... then your going to be in trouble if battlefield/political conditions change. That's why I generally don't pay attention to other people when I'm learning a game, and go in head first, because if you follow the general consensus on how to play a game.... your going to be trumped by people with experiance.

Now if you change the game.....

Anyhoo.

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The next battlefield I like to use the anaology of the dinner table. The spy game is older than guiding hand social club, however GHSC redefined what spying meant in new eden, It was no longer passivly leaking information, its activly seeking destruction of a corporation without using means of trigger pulling. Which is why the dinner table is so appropriate.

You, a stranger who is your worst enemy in the world sitting at the same table in this resturant.
No weapons
No words
No touching
How do you kill him?

The number of ways people come up with is rather staggering, however so are the counter measures. hey may try to poison you, you counter with your antidote, you replaced his drink with an acid, he hired the waiter to swap drinks. the game goes on and its a rather deadly dance and unlike any other battlefield, if he kills you its game over. Its possible to esape wounded or missing an arm but that certainly beats losing at the dinner table entirely. As long as you can get back to the table you should be good to go.

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And yes as being the second worst spy in new eden my advice is third rate and well far behind current methoods. The secuirty advice I give is common sense, and imperfect balance of acceptable risk but its better than the few words and numbers some allaince members of yours require, If you're good with diplomacy you could convice others to show you around a bit let you in on how they operate and the expetections of several envrionments.

There is also piles and piles of allaince corproate hisotries of note, from the most successful empires, to the most abysmal defeats, look them all up becuase history has a nasty habit of repeating itself. Read up on them when time allots itself.

You are all New Eden immigrants, you're moving into a galaxy from the eyes of an immortal soldier, a galaxy which doesnt give a damn who your are and will everything in its power to get rid of you and treats both dust 514 mercs and eve capsuleers with the same level of disregard. The grunts that refuse to belive this do not be holding positions of importance no higher than squad leaders, they would only make the mistakes that destroy the corp doing so. You're much better off getting fresh minded gamers or those who been in eve for a while to take the pisitons up you are going to need as an allaince.

Also if you are trying to form an allaince fix the soul before you fix the skin, most of your grunts express a blatant disregard for things that they cant shoot and think shooting fixes everything. I explained every situation where shooting wont fix it. Indoctrinate them a bit if need so, educate them as since you're thier leader you have thier attention better than I can ever hold it. Make it digestable for them, get them to behave better as well to possible future customers. Calling every eve online pilot an eve tard will attack more war delcaraiotns than contracts and not helpful when you're trying to make friends with capsuleers.

Once the soul is fixed, fix the bone, you're numbers are rather low you need to bring more into the fold, with a proper soul set into place you will attract the players you need, there are some non allaince corps just as large as your allaince and that needs to change to take on the challenges in the small game. Once both soul and bone is fixed the skin should fix itself your advertising will be more precise clean and unbreakable and unquestionable, when you sprout you motto or motif with every layer fixed it will do much more good than harm.

And yes as being the second worst spy in new eden my advice is third rate and well far behind current methoods. The secuirty advice I give is common sense, and imperfect balance of acceptable risk but its better than the few words and numbers some allaince members of yours require, If you're good with diplomacy you could convice others to show you around a bit let you in on how they operate and the expetections of several envrionments.

There is also piles and piles of allaince corproate hisotries of note, from the most successful empires, to the most abysmal defeats, look them all up becuase history has a nasty habit of repeating itself. Read up on them when time allots itself.

You are all New Eden immigrants, you're moving into a galaxy from the eyes of an immortal soldier, a galaxy which doesnt give a damn who your are and will everything in its power to get rid of you and treats both dust 514 mercs and eve capsuleers with the same level of disregard. The grunts that refuse to belive this do not be holding positions of importance no higher than squad leaders, they would only make the mistakes that destroy the corp doing so. You're much better off getting fresh minded gamers or those who been in eve for a while to take the pisitons up you are going to need as an allaince.

Also if you are trying to form an allaince fix the soul before you fix the skin, most of your grunts express a blatant disregard for things that they cant shoot and think shooting fixes everything. I explained every situation where shooting wont fix it. Indoctrinate them a bit if need so, educate them as since you're thier leader you have thier attention better than I can ever hold it. Make it digestable for them, get them to behave better as well to possible future customers. Calling every eve online pilot an eve tard will attack more war delcaraiotns than contracts and not helpful when you're trying to make friends with capsuleers.

Once the soul is fixed, fix the bone, you're numbers are rather low you need to bring more into the fold, with a proper soul set into place you will attract the players you need, there are some non allaince corps just as large as your allaince and that needs to change to take on the challenges in the small game. Once both soul and bone is fixed the skin should fix itself your advertising will be more precise clean and unbreakable and unquestionable, when you sprout you motto or motif with every layer fixed it will do much more good than harm.

For what i'm assuming is a Highsec pubbie you give a lot of good advice, it would be a lot more fun for us though if you leave them be so we can use their bones to climb on and cement our position in FW and use it as a playground prior to Nullsec being added.

What Corp do you fly with?

he wont tell anyone casue he is embarssing them an doesnt want to get kicked

He's not embarassing them at all, You'll learn this about 3 months after launch.

EV is like an alliance with training wheels.

lol