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Posted - 2012.08.21 13:27:00 -
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entrophy virus possibly the first allaince in dust 514, and the first allaince to be destroyed. |
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Posted - 2012.08.21 13:48:00 -
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Its not that I dont doubt thier ability on the battlefield, I doubt thier ability at the dinner tables.
They currently have one corp in there thats sole purpose is to destroy the whole group, and the others where evalutaded at "Widely dispearsed and segregated mindsets goals agendas and conflicting interests."
Agent insertion was ID as far back as a year ago mostly observer types which have been feeding the current infil sabatour agents all the tools they need, mind you these agents are fromidable FPS players themselves so they can blend in and get trusted better.
Currently internal stife is reaching an all time high as they are going on witch hunts which funninly enough is only kicking out thier more legitimate members. Some of the leadership seems to be getting overly paranoid and underestimating the enimies inside thier house and thier intentions. For the longest time they though spies where there to 'discover' secrets. Hes finding out the hard way that spies care nothing for thier useless secrets and seek only one thing from EV.
Either way the situation last time I read it looks like it just hit critical mass. There is no going back now.
Some individuals however been showing they're willing to play the meta game but being a year behind on arsenel and lack of any counter intel program of thier own is going to doom the allaince regardless.
And quick gloves you nailed the wrong guy the other day and he was the only person who had a bats chance in hell in finding who I am in your corp. |
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Posted - 2012.08.21 14:11:00 -
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^ this is accurate |
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Arbor Viridanus wrote:SoLJae wrote:Does EV trump STB, or vice -versa........where does your loyalty side with in the end, as EV sounds more like a collection of corps/groups? STB is a corporation, EV is an alliance of corporations. It sounds like they have a fairly serious spy problem at the moment, and they're having difficulty getting rid of it.
Its halariously bad...
And if they think that knowing certain names of people even first name basis is enough to pass the 'ohkay your not a spai' test they're sadly mistaken since there is a nice little phamplet floating around with these names on them already. Which means the people who are purposly failing it have alterior motives. |
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Posted - 2012.08.21 14:58:00 -
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Except the current rep has an equivalent reputation to a diseased ridden slave, I mean who would want to join an allaince infested with spies?
Also leadership has been getting rather ugly lately snapping at the littelist thing and firing thier loyalists. |
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Posted - 2012.08.21 15:05:00 -
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STB-Quickgloves EV wrote:So heres how it is Saber wolf is not friendly towards EV or STB so he trolls our tthreads
EV is not infested with anything other then loyal die hards so ty for the publicity an we shall SHUN THE NON BELIEVERS SHUN SHUN THE NON BELIEVERS SHUN THEM CHARLIE SHUUUUUUUUUNUUNNNNNNNN
I been actually trying to help but your paranioa is going to kill your corp. Also this behavior right here is not going to get you hired by eve corps. They're going to shop elsewhere.
Worse for you is even though I am in the corp spying, I am not invoking anything just watching things fall apart slowly. Its like watching wild animals behaving in a habitat that isnt natural to them its not as exilerating as watching tigers in the savanna but more like sloths in the desert. |
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Posted - 2012.08.21 15:35:00 -
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STB-Snyped EV wrote:so your spying i see... perhaps you should find something better to do with your time? your social status/situation is obviously weak if you resort to spying on a game? not hating just stating.
And miss out on a fat isk payout? rather let you guys do all the hard work and reap in the rewards when time is right. Also selling the information now as made my eve alt rich.
BTW anyone dared bothered doing a gear check on my character and find it odd I am still using milita gear :P |
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Posted - 2012.08.21 18:38:00 -
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theschizogenious wrote:EV will try to infect EVE but there are many vaccines for a virus and soon they will be destroyed and EVE will be rid of an infection and its funny that they chose to be a virus for another term for a virus is a BUG and like its insect counter part they will be squashed under the heel of an alliance
There is no way they can get into other groups at this current stage majority of the members are comprimised, if they do manage to 'easily' infiltrate any major allaince its to feed them bad intel. |
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Posted - 2012.08.21 18:40:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Quickgloves, honest advice to you from an old Valor player. Let your guys post. You have a natural ability to sound like a tit on forums. YOU saying it's a mature gaming group with no chest beating just made me LoL. Be the good old chest beating KDR is king STB. I mean, when you get drunk and racial on mic, you're going to burn people.
This mature thing... It's just not you. Don't pretend to be what you aren't.
@Iron Wolf They only need to do a clan battle on MAG. You'd stick out like a sore thumb. I might make good security officer. If I could be bothered to not shoot face all the time.
I know just the game is really hard to pretend to be good in these days with albit lower than launch population luckily they havent bothered to notice that either. |
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Posted - 2012.08.21 19:06:00 -
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And thats where you are also wrong crimson, not my target at all.
Also with computers you have no idea how automated the stuff is these days.
Also the plan is pretty simple it was fomulated years ago against a similar profiled corproation in eve and it has worked in ever repeat scenario since then. All you have to do is insert and poke every so often it all comes apart.
They're definetly not a cult or cut out to be in one. |
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Posted - 2012.08.21 19:17:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:And thats where you are also wrong crimson, not my target at all. I don't care what your target is. You are a sad strange little man. As I said go say hi to the sun. Your existence is dismal.
And you sumarised that from me trying to help STB with thier spy problem? How is this any better than those who work really hard to increase thier KD/R practice how to perfectlly arc that grenade launch the spin jump snipe to the head no scope of doom and survive? Or the math biolers that melt down all the weapon stats into that 'perfect' build. Then the guys who all they do is try to build excel sheets all day or attest by them in helping out in the same manner? |
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Posted - 2012.08.21 19:19:00 -
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Forte Haulerson wrote:Looks like the MAG-ites are getting a taste of pro level meta-gaming... :) EVE pilots, corporations, and alliances are the best in the world at it...
As far as it effectiveness this early in the beta is concerned...it's never too early.... alliances and corporation leadership in EVE will sometimes allow years to go by before exposing their master plan... can you say..
"Oh S**t! It's a trap!!!!"
Cheers mercs!
L8r, FH
Pro? I am one of the worst spies as in the last guy you call into do anything. |
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Posted - 2012.08.21 20:22:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:And thats where you are also wrong crimson, not my target at all. I don't care what your target is. You are a sad strange little man. As I said go say hi to the sun. Your existence is dismal. And you sumarised that from me trying to help STB with thier spy problem? You are not trying to help. You are the spy and you are trying to cause turmoil and paranoia within the clan. You are a sad individual. Have fun being the sokis *****.
I am not thee spy I am a spy.
Also I am not the kind that causes turmoil. |
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Posted - 2012.08.22 02:18:00 -
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St Evilsbitch wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:STB-Quickgloves EV wrote:So heres how it is Saber wolf is not friendly towards EV or STB so he trolls our tthreads
EV is not infested with anything other then loyal die hards so ty for the publicity an we shall SHUN THE NON BELIEVERS SHUN SHUN THE NON BELIEVERS SHUN THEM CHARLIE SHUUUUUUUUUNUUNNNNNNNN I been actually trying to help but your paranioa is going to kill your corp. Also this behavior right here is not going to get you hired by eve corps. They're going to shop elsewhere. Worse for you is even though I am in the corp spying, I am not invoking anything just watching things fall apart slowly. Its like watching wild animals behaving in a habitat that isnt natural to them its not as exilerating as watching tigers in the savanna but more like sloths in the desert. FACT: tigers do not hunt in the Savanna.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMtadTVNgok oh really?
There was a much longer bbc produced documentary on the project, tigers in savannas are deadly efficent. |
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Posted - 2012.08.22 03:57:00 -
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SWEETY muffin CAKES wrote:Iron,
What you don't understand, is that some people will always stick by their leader, no matter how grim the situation. What makes the world so awesome, is that different people can do things in their own way. Just because Quick doesn't fit your leadership style, doesn't mean that his way of doing things will fail.
Quick obviously knows what he is doing, because he has a very VERY loyal playerbase. As is evidenced by his posts, he is not your normal leader, and well.... some people like it that way. Unorthadox, but man, playing with him is one of the more fun experiances you can have in a FPS. I think you should walk a mile in the man's shoes before you judge him. (cause then your a mile away, and now you have his shoes!)
The EV isn't about pretending to be awesome at a game we havn't played yet.... We take corps as they are, noob corps, pro corps, Corps from EVE looking for a home for their Dust operations free from politics, corps that don't understand how New Eden Works.... and we make them better. Simple.
So, in 5 years, when the EV and STB are still going strong.... all these posts prophesizing our doom will look really silly.
And if we do fall apart as you so expertly claim.... you will be no more of a prophet than those "end of the World" religious nuts, that claim every year that the world ends, hoping one year to be right.
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I look forward to seeing how all the different Corporations, alliances, and organizations, come up with their unique way of dominating Dust. The only people's opinion who matter, are the type of people that don't rely on second hand knowledge, trolls, and gossip for knowledge.
**Edit** : Yes, we are animals that are in an enviropnment we are not accustomed to... because most of us havn't played EVE.... but hey... the game isn't out yet.... there is lots of time to learn! <3
Which is why I am trying to teach in an inadvertent way, other spies dont like me balthering about this stuff but at least I dont name drop and provide them with missing bits of info so we're at least in a mutal agreement not to kill each other. |
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Posted - 2012.08.22 09:56:00 -
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Well Superman I am trying to help you guys out a bit.
So Ill explain the dinner table and what its about.
The battlefield, for all its complexities and ever changing nature, its very forgiving, you can win you can lose you can come back another day and try again.
The dinnertable is less forgiving. No corp to this day has survived losing at the dinner table.
You and your worst enemy in the world are seated at this dinnertable No Weapons. No Touching No Talking. How do you kill him? |
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Posted - 2012.08.22 10:02:00 -
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STB-Snyped EV wrote:poison his food. duh?
ahh but my intel told me which specific poison you where going to use and I had used the antidote ahead of time.
However I know you had a deadly food allergy and had the chef perpare a meal using the ingredient.
This is basically how the dinner table is played out mostly it goes back and forth until one person seated at the dinner table came up with a more devious plan than the other. |
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Posted - 2012.08.22 12:15:00 -
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STB-Snyped EV wrote:k nice bs, now accept the fact that your stupid and just got outsmarted. a target everyone will just hit for the eve? eve people cant do jacksh1t without putting their feet on the ground and fighting us. thus we will win. gf nub gg.
Look up Naval Blockaid. |
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Posted - 2012.08.22 13:12:00 -
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RankRancid wrote:Lol evetards running scared because they are afraid of fps players.
Quickgloves you and your EV group have seemed to have struck a nerve and are clearly the biggest threat to their life in New Eden at the moment. Wonder how they are going to handle the influx of clans from some of the major games.
One thing I have to say though I have never been so keen for a release of a game and to see exactly how much ccp let the 2 sides interfere with each others plans.
It is a day I really look forward to.
On a side note I love all this drama too, it might just get my girlfriend behind this game slightly more. At the moment she hates anything Dust related.
Mind you Goonswarm are not 'evetards' they're mmo-destroyers.
One can go as far to blame goonswarm for making star trek online free to play now.
What makes you think they wont break your toys as well? |
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Posted - 2012.08.22 14:20:00 -
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So how do you plan on fighting a group that would rather glass the district to nothing? |
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Posted - 2012.08.22 15:31:00 -
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^ listen heed understand. |
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Posted - 2012.08.22 16:01:00 -
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Goonswarm dont use the same tags in every game.
For example in STO they where known as Star Fleet Dental.
I haven't bothered to track their tags in other games but if you run into a clan that you felt they where 'cheap' it was likely them. |
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Posted - 2012.08.22 16:02:00 -
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RankRancid wrote:LMAO just saw that pic!
Is that the goonswarm leader or is it still that fat COW.
Talk about something awful.
Anyway enough goonswarm drama for me. Going back to dust now where goonswarm ain't nothing but easter bunnies.
http://twitter.com/TheMittani this guy is in charge of eve operations.
also google up "The Mittani Gate" |
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Posted - 2012.08.22 16:58:00 -
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Isnt arma one of those shooters that one bullet kills you? |
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Vane KoS wrote:Arbor Viridanus wrote:SoLJae wrote:Does EV trump STB, or vice -versa........where does your loyalty side with in the end, as EV sounds more like a collection of corps/groups? STB is a corporation, EV is an alliance of corporations. It sounds like they have a fairly serious spy problem at the moment, and they're having difficulty getting rid of it. I was worried that DUST wouldn't feel very Eve-like, now I know its gonna be a blast. - Eve politics is the best. Btw you can absolutely never eliminate spys. Eve players are used to the long game - as in years. All you can really do is operate Corps and Alliances in such a way as to make them irrelevant.
Correct, but I dont think leaving the doors so wide open anyone can walk in and read the latest news is the way to go. |
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Vane KoS wrote:
Well if they are doing that then you can bet there are some hidden layers, nice challenge for you. I only did one stint as a spy - I bought about the end of a small alliance by ensuring they got destroyed on the battlefield. Unfortunatly the people I had got to know were really nice/good and I felt bad. I am not cut out to be a spy, but I certainly appreciate the game.
Yeah worst part about being the spy sometimes, I tend to 'extract' individuals of worth out and find them better homes before the place blows up, some say I am to soft hearted but still hasn't stopped me from preaching darwin.
And yes there is a hidden layer, unfourtunatley is too is all to accessible provided you had the right credentials which didnt take long to figure out. |
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Posted - 2012.08.22 21:57:00 -
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SWEETY muffin CAKES wrote: Iron, your a smart guy, and I know the game your playing, and in some ways I appreciate it. I'd actually be interested in hearing your thoughts on how the EV could improve. Especially if you represent one of the larger alliances, the EV needs to position itself to mold to what you want (eventually, right now, primary concern will be faction wars)
At least you're bending with the wind a bit, thats good. Also note I am an independent agent and dont have alot of resources at my disposal other than what I have on me. Its not my job to analyze data, just gather and report. Egg heads else where digest what I divulge and turn them into weapons more deadlier than I sometimes imagine.
So.. First we need to look at the very big picture.
This is the the sandbox, called New Eden as its called is basically a way of saying anything and just about everything goes, you got the tools and all the sand you want. All you have to figure out what to do with them, you could build a sandcastle but EV haters could also kick it down. How do you stop that? Put a land mine in it next time, you get better results that way. This is why metagaming is rather flourished as players already had the tools to cause the mayhem because the developers never meant for the land mine to be placed inside the sand castle and are exhillerated when you do such things.
So lets look at the various battleifelds in this sandbox. You have Eve online which is in space, Dust 514 on the ground, then the three both have in common: the trading floor, the 'dinner table' and the podium. As a new eden citizen you MUST become well aware of these battlefields or masters of them. The more you know about them the better you can defend at those fronts.
The biggest battlefield of all and most somewhat in your concern outside your natural habitat should be the Space one. Naval forces provides a logistical threat, you can already feel the loss of tanks in Dust 514 when a swarm launcher hits is and blows it up. How would you like to lose hundreds? and there is no way your rifel could have ever stopped it? Naval forces can do this they can destroy alot of things beyond your fighting capabilites. Its not like you can get into orbit warp to the gate and rescue the said freighter but naval forces can. An extremly strong blockaid, will tighten your wallets by market price manipulation caused by choking off the station from resupplies denying npb sold goods from ever arriving. Can prevent things your soldiers need on the ground from ever arriving such as spare clones and in worst case sceanrio wind up in enemy hands becuase they blew up the freighter and shipped what survived in the salavage to the ground on the enemy's side. You will need a navy, you will need one beyond the role of orbtial bombardment support, you will need a navy able to match the big dogs.
Moving to your natural habitat is ground warfare, while I dont doubt your ability to fight on the ground, you need to step back and look on how to fight on an entire planet as well. You will having multiple simulatanous matches going on, maybe needing to field as many as 100 people per hour in order to maintain a larger presence on multipel planets. Having 32 elite warriors fight all of your battles is not going to work when somone else with a 400 man army attacks every bit of territory you own at the same time and you can only choose to figth them one battle at a time your 32 guys will be worn out and will eventually break. This sort of planning, requires not a mind of an FPSer but a mind of an RTS player. You're going to need generals as this game is going to turn into the largest game of command and conquer ever. You can have supreme commander sitting in HQ setting up supply routes, requisitions, attack and defense orders, assignements, naval cordination, and promotions. You can have other RTS players go out into the field and command the MCCs so he can deploy turrets, supply depots, active scan sweeps, CRUs, approve vehicle requests and landing orbital stirkes, asorbing information and relaying orders to squads in a quick consistent matter and wracking up warpoints to keep his mcc from blowing up. So as of now you can only practice a fraction of the war on the ground, but you need to start fomulating and planning for this phase to come in, see how all the peices fall together understanding that everything you see on the battlefield is the result of a corp spending money there. Biomass? Somone paid for that! Communications? Somone paid for that! MCCs? Somone paid for that! Null Cannons? Somone paid for that! the 100 clones and gear you bring in to take the place? Your corp paid for that. Turst me they're going to fight just as hard to keep it as these things are not cheap and you're going to need a commander to spend his clones warpoints and your isk wisely.
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Trading floor warfare is most likely going to remain in Eve hands for a while but understand trading floor warfare is some of the most vicious combat in Eve.
Imagine your homeworld in middile of nowhere next nearest supply post is on the other side of hostile territory but no worries your group is self sufficent able to trade guns amonst themselves aquire materials and manfuacture. Enter the tycoon. Who just happened to be the disgrunteled guy in your corp in charge of economics and you fired him after you found out hes been taking a bit off the top. Well well well he turns around and buys the entire station's market and resells for 100x more and automates the orders, there is no way your allaince can afford his rediculous prices, every attempt to out sell him as met with stone wall of hard cold cash lockout, As your troops are starving for supplies the hostile neighbors take notice and strike, Now you're operating into the negatives forced to buy that gear as you combined wallets run dry and the enemy is better supplied you lose control of the homeworld in the end. Inspiration for this scenario acutally happened in eve online, I see no reason why it can't happen in dust 514 once they stop the npcs from selling items (which will happen.) You will come across other various forms of market warfare such as lowest bidder mercs who try to force you to accept a contract that isnt finacially feasible for you. 1 iskers who deny your guys from ever selling items by placing thier own wares one cent cheaper, and finally covertly pay somone to get rid of your group becuase tycoons are more than capable of renting an army for a shot amount of time if you are inconviencing them that much.
The next battlefield I like to use the anaology of the dinner table. The spy game is older than guiding hand social club, however GHSC redefined what spying meant in new eden, It was no longer passivly leaking information, its activly seeking destruction of a corporation without using means of trigger pulling. Which is why the dinner table is so appropriate.
You, a stranger who is your worst enemy in the world sitting at the same table in this resturant. No weapons No words No touching How do you kill him?
The number of ways people come up with is rather staggering, however so are the counter measures. hey may try to poison you, you counter with your antidote, you replaced his drink with an acid, he hired the waiter to swap drinks. the game goes on and its a rather deadly dance and unlike any other battlefield, if he kills you its game over. Its possible to esape wounded or missing an arm but that certainly beats losing at the dinner table entirely. As long as you can get back to the table you should be good to go.
So to work on the defenses against this as you are most interested is you. First step is to gather and collect information, Emails of joining members, psn names, searching fourums, asking which previous games they played and verify thier attendance (IE like goto cod and see if they're even on the boards at all) this simple interview would stop the lazier agents who lie thier way into your ranks. Appointing a counter intel GROUP as a single individual is riskable to be the spy himself where a group can keep eyes on each other and makes it a bit harder for the spy if there is one in the group. Check those who had the background so thier story is solid, clearing out old unexplained afk members is common practice and should be exercised reguarly this clears out the sleeper agents. Be weary if they come back asking to be back in during times of your most inconvience. Be weary of any new recruits during periods of strife, sometimes the extra turmoil makes it easier for not only for them to get in but get into positions they dont need to be in. Be most weary of recruits you obtain shortly before a war started thats a major red flag. Which is why you need to running member list and thier fates as they leave or move else where and keep tabs after they've left and everyone that may have joined weeks before the war started could be suspect observed and monitored. Some... have may have a thing for revenge. This also prevents 'look alikes' unattentive corps may get a player invited back into the group with very very similar name spelling posing as one of your former members. Do delegate so that situations that pop up while you are away can be dealt with before damage is out of control. However compartmentalize, do not allow overreaching control of the coporation to any single one soul, dont give out shares they're useless cept for kicking out CEOs. This menas you need more people and more people you can trust. There are infinitely more ways you can defend yourself just ask what is the way to best 'wreck' yourself as a spy. If you're bad at answering that find somone who is good at it.
Finally the last battleground is poltical podium. Eyes of the galaxy are upon you. You think that saying EV going to kick thier collective kittens going to work for you? So a good measure of control calm charisma and language guile is required to be a good poltiican, whenever you like it or not if you're ledership you need diplomacy you need control of your own people and you need to be able to make allies as well as enemies.
Find people who best match your goals but dont conflict they prove to be vaualbel business partners in the end. Know people who are most against you start formulating plans on how to best counter them. Don't sink to thier level of drabble, and put your mouth where the money is. Dont make promises you cant keep. Dont draw more attention than what is needed. For you a head start on this is researching the four sides of space side factional warfare, find out whos is in charge of each side how they fight and work together and decide which side you are going to be on and who is going to be your enemy. |
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And yes as being the second worst spy in new eden my advice is third rate and well far behind current methoods. The secuirty advice I give is common sense, and imperfect balance of acceptable risk but its better than the few words and numbers some allaince members of yours require, If you're good with diplomacy you could convice others to show you around a bit let you in on how they operate and the expetections of several envrionments.
There is also piles and piles of allaince corproate hisotries of note, from the most successful empires, to the most abysmal defeats, look them all up becuase history has a nasty habit of repeating itself. Read up on them when time allots itself.
You are all New Eden immigrants, you're moving into a galaxy from the eyes of an immortal soldier, a galaxy which doesnt give a damn who your are and will everything in its power to get rid of you and treats both dust 514 mercs and eve capsuleers with the same level of disregard. The grunts that refuse to belive this do not be holding positions of importance no higher than squad leaders, they would only make the mistakes that destroy the corp doing so. You're much better off getting fresh minded gamers or those who been in eve for a while to take the pisitons up you are going to need as an allaince.
Also if you are trying to form an allaince fix the soul before you fix the skin, most of your grunts express a blatant disregard for things that they cant shoot and think shooting fixes everything. I explained every situation where shooting wont fix it. Indoctrinate them a bit if need so, educate them as since you're thier leader you have thier attention better than I can ever hold it. Make it digestable for them, get them to behave better as well to possible future customers. Calling every eve online pilot an eve tard will attack more war delcaraiotns than contracts and not helpful when you're trying to make friends with capsuleers.
Once the soul is fixed, fix the bone, you're numbers are rather low you need to bring more into the fold, with a proper soul set into place you will attract the players you need, there are some non allaince corps just as large as your allaince and that needs to change to take on the challenges in the small game. Once both soul and bone is fixed the skin should fix itself your advertising will be more precise clean and unbreakable and unquestionable, when you sprout you motto or motif with every layer fixed it will do much more good than harm. |
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