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1) Reputable

They need to be 100% trusted. People don't want to risk paying money to people who will flip sides if the money is better

2) Professional

People also need to know that if they don't keep paying, they will lose their services. If A is paying them to kill B, and A stop paying, they will happily work for B if they want them to. That's the deal. You pay, they play.

3) Effective

They will of course need to be worth paying. They will need plenty of mercs, with the right mix of specialisations, both in SP, and player skill. People need to know that when they pay them 500,000,000 ISK for a planet capture, they will get the damn thing captured. Win rate will be important.

This also means that for top tier merc groups, they will need to have EVE players, because orbital bombardment will be important. Maybe the client can serve as the support for some conflicts, but people will pay more to have you do it 100%, if you can, and that means more profit.

4) Not infested with spies.

If I have a secret plan to capture planets from someone, last thing I want is for them to know the plans before the attack, letting them get their mercs ready to defend. Maybe even letting them know what we plan to attack with, so that they have the exact counter ready.

You may say this is "childish", but that's a mistake. In New Eden, spies can make or break a fight. When we are in fleet fights, we often have people in the other fleet, sending us info and plans from the enemy. This means we are ready for what they have, what they are doing, and can even be where they are going to be before them sometimes.

New Eden will be affected by spies, in the black, or on the ground, whether you think it is "childish" or not.

5) Simple to deal with

They will need to have a good team managing contracts, PR, relationships, logistics, and intel.

A merc group lives and dies by it's contracts. Sometimes, jobs will come in with fast turn around time. They will need people to create and agree to contracts, and get the assets on the ground in time for it to matter.

They will need people to manage all the people they know, and offer contracts to them, if they see the might need some help. They will need to manage intel, knowing who is fighting who, and what is going to be the next big conflict area.

All of this will require interaction with outside entities. Complicating things with "spawning genome" is just making things more complicated than they need to be. If you say "recruitment officer" people know what you are talking about.


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Zalifer Nakamoda Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 56	Posted - 2012.08.21 14:01:00 - [1] - Quote "The entropy virus was the first attempt at a professional mercenary service in Dust 514. The concept was that EV would have on reserve many groups of mercenaries, and clients could hire mercs according to their requirements. However, due to over complicating everything with virus themes, role play, and a general lack of large numbers, the entropy virus faded away shortly after the release of DUST 514. The were defeated on a number of occasions early in the games life cycle, which caused many people to lose what little faith and interest they had. They were also unable to manage against existing EVE alliances large numbers and orbital support. Large mercenary corporations would manage to get a footing in the mercenary marketplace, but not until they had tried and tested mercs, and a large amount of experience. These corps were often offshoots of EVE alliances themselves, as they had much of the logistics already in place to support their mercs." There, now I can just copy and paste when the wiki is ready for that information :D
Zalifer Nakamoda Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 56	Posted - 2012.08.21 16:09:00 - [2] - Quote In my mind, there are several things a corp/alliance will need to be to sell themselves as mercs. Quote: 1) Reputable They need to be 100% trusted. People don't want to risk paying money to people who will flip sides if the money is better 2) Professional People also need to know that if they don't keep paying, they will lose their services. If A is paying them to kill B, and A stop paying, they will happily work for B if they want them to. That's the deal. You pay, they play. 3) Effective They will of course need to be worth paying. They will need plenty of mercs, with the right mix of specialisations, both in SP, and player skill. People need to know that when they pay them 500,000,000 ISK for a planet capture, they will get the damn thing captured. Win rate will be important. This also means that for top tier merc groups, they will need to have EVE players, because orbital bombardment will be important. Maybe the client can serve as the support for some conflicts, but people will pay more to have you do it 100%, if you can, and that means more profit. 4) Not infested with spies. If I have a secret plan to capture planets from someone, last thing I want is for them to know the plans before the attack, letting them get their mercs ready to defend. Maybe even letting them know what we plan to attack with, so that they have the exact counter ready. You may say this is "childish", but that's a mistake. In New Eden, spies can make or break a fight. When we are in fleet fights, we often have people in the other fleet, sending us info and plans from the enemy. This means we are ready for what they have, what they are doing, and can even be where they are going to be before them sometimes. New Eden will be affected by spies, in the black, or on the ground, whether you think it is "childish" or not. 5) Simple to deal with They will need to have a good team managing contracts, PR, relationships, logistics, and intel. A merc group lives and dies by it's contracts. Sometimes, jobs will come in with fast turn around time. They will need people to create and agree to contracts, and get the assets on the ground in time for it to matter. They will need people to manage all the people they know, and offer contracts to them, if they see the might need some help. They will need to manage intel, knowing who is fighting who, and what is going to be the next big conflict area. All of this will require interaction with outside entities. Complicating things with "spawning genome" is just making things more complicated than they need to be. If you say "recruitment officer" people know what you are talking about.
Zalifer Nakamoda Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 56	Posted - 2012.08.21 17:56:00 - [3] - Quote I'm in TEST and test is a dinosaur and dinosaurs are extinct so that means that we don't exist so we are not the alliance holding the most space. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/systems Pro tip to EV members. Stop all this "Virus" stuff. First, it's been done before. Pandemic Legion got you covered. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Pandemic_Legion They are mercs in EVE online, and have been for a long time. I would even go so far as to suggest a name change, as people are going to assume you are trying to imitate them (mercs as a virus). Secondly, no person who wants mercs, is going to turn to people who act like 16 year olds trying to be part of some elite secret club. The people who matter in EVE are leaders of 4 - 10 thousand people alliances. Your theme will make you only appear impressive to other people who are equally brain dead. Any large contracts will, like real life, go to the people who are professional, and effective.
Zalifer Nakamoda Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 56	Posted - 2012.08.22 10:17:00 - [4] - Quote This thread is enough to stop anyone ever hiring EV.
Zalifer Nakamoda Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 56	Posted - 2012.08.22 15:27:00 - [5] - Quote ITT : http://i.imgur.com/mAUwe.jpg Stop talking big. It's childish. Talking about the goons as if they are all "spaceship nerds" who only play EVE. These people play a lot of games, and while some suck at EVE, there are plenty around to play FPS. Their forum, something awful, has a ** load of people who would love to play EVE if they could, but suck at it. They are going to join a goon DUST corp. "166,224 users total." That's SA. You think they can't get 100 people together to kick your ass, even if they didn't have goonswarm in game backing them up? Goons in EVE or not, there will be a goon presence in DUST, and that's only one group. There are plenty of other people who are ready to rock and roll. TEST and subdreddit, as another example. People talking big about 3 mil. Ha. In eve, if you have 3 mil ISK you are poor. So poor. The second smallest T1 ships in the game go for around 5-10 mil. I make 30 mil an hour in EVE. And I am slow at earning money. Anyone with EVE corps behind them will be able to ignore personal costs for the most part, I imagine. You just buy what you need, expense be damned. I fly in EVE, but that does not mean I can't manage in FPS games. I used to play CS competitively, and still play a lot of FPS games, on PC. Not a lot on console, because dominating some kids at CoD got old, fast, when there was a skilled mature crowd playing on PC. Not saying I could beat console pro's, but hey, I'm not perfect. You make the assumption that all people in EVE can't play FPS games, or that you are somehow "better". That's hilarious. And "12 adults getting home from work having a few beers and talking ** over a mic while ruining a nerds month worth of preparation because they forgot half of this game is FPS." is forgetting that there are mostly adults playing EVE too. Adults who are far less cocky and sure of themselves. I'm not saying that I am going to be the one to kill you on the battlefield. You might be better than me, but you will NOT be better than the people that the CFC and HBC bring to the table. You can probably kill SoCo though.
Zalifer Nakamoda Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 56	Posted - 2012.08.22 16:02:00 - [6] - Quote Goonswarm is EVE. You won't hear about them in any other game. Try getting some information before making long ranting posts that make you seem like an idiot. Goons in general come from SomethingAwful, or SA. They play a lot of games because they have a lot of people. I'm a goon. I don't play with goonswarm (i'm TEST) but I am on the SA forums. I play with Goons in OFP/ArmA/Arma2. They are half of the most successful group in arma, Shack Tactical. Our group literally wrote the guidebook for Arma (http://www.lulu.com/shop/andrew-gluck/dslyecxis-tactics-techniques-procedures-guide-for-arma-mono/paperback/product-1241969.html). It's not a walkthough of missions, it's how to play, and win. They play loads of games. Here are one of their groups that play BF3. They just **** around and have fun. http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/platoon/2832655240985153294/ 100 people and a positive KDR at the very least. edit : oh, mittens posting about Dust. The goons are coming.
Zalifer Nakamoda Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 56	Posted - 2012.08.22 18:54:00 - [7] - Quote RankRancid wrote: Zalifer Nakamoda wrote: Goonswarm is EVE. You won't hear about them in any other game. Try getting some information before making long ranting posts that make you seem like an idiot. Goons in general come from SomethingAwful, or SA. They play a lot of games because they have a lot of people. I'm a goon. I don't play with goonswarm (i'm TEST) but I am on the SA forums. I play with Goons in OFP/ArmA/Arma2. They are half of the most successful group in arma, Shack Tactical. Our group literally wrote the guidebook for Arma (http://www.lulu.com/shop/andrew-gluck/dslyecxis-tactics-techniques-procedures-guide-for-arma-mono/paperback/product-1241969.html). It's not a walkthough of missions, it's how to play, and win. They play loads of games. Here are one of their groups that play BF3. They just ** around and have fun. http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/platoon/2832655240985153294/ 100 people and a positive KDR at the very least. edit : oh, mittens posting about Dust. The goons are coming. Are you busy gooning me now by wasting my time? I ask for your best. You show me a list of scrubs with less than stellar stats. Even tell me which goon is in the top 100 of this game and then I'll be willing to change my stance. Why do they not wear goon tags? Is there something to be embarrassed about? Or do they wait for that one day where they actually beat a clan of skill and then start yelling we R goons,we trolled you. Also are you joking? The best player on that team has a kd of 2.89 and I'm being generous with the number because I can't exactly remember. It was not note worthy. Are they coming to get me in dust now? I'll quickly get back to it and try to put on my scared face. "Goons" is not a gaming clan. Hence they don't have standard tags. They just choose whatever name they want, usually something silly or funny. You also don't seem to get how gaming works. I've done the clan thing, long before you, I'm sure (cue : "I'm probably older than you response, and I drink beer with my 12 adult friends."). That team is not the goons trying to beat you , it's them having fun. Why not actually show me where you are top 100? I'm not looking through 133,000 people for winners. Why don't you prove you are elite PvP. Edit : I wish Goons was not the go to "scary entity" for EVE. I'm in TEST, and we are at least as ****** as GSF. I guess we just don't have the same history of forced emergent gameplay.
Zalifer Nakamoda Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 56	Posted - 2012.08.22 19:13:00 - [8] - Quote Goon income for 1 month (to alliance wallet) is around 1 trillion. It goes up and down, but it's in that area. They can continue the forever war.
Zalifer Nakamoda Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 56	Posted - 2012.08.22 19:25:00 - [9] - Quote Forte Haulerson wrote: Zalifer Nakamoda wrote: Goon income for 1 month (to alliance wallet) is around 1 trillion. It goes up and down, but it's in that area. They can continue the forever war. Ok, I'll give you that... but at the expense of everything else? And secondly, I'm not talking just about Goons here.. they are not the only major EVE alliance... I'm not sure that would make sense anyway.. like I said.. maybe for a few months, but might leave them vulnerable in other areas if done for an extended period of time and possibly require a minor tax increases... L8r, FH Your numbers were for a combined arms nullsec offensive, which is, by all means, what they do now. Goons attack / defend nullsec space. They would not be taking out a trillion to do it, they would be topping up their costs to cover DUST actions, and that is probably the "smaller half" of that figure. Also, that is for one month, while the numbers say it will last for 3 months. In 3 months, they have spent 1 trillion on the war, and have still got 2 in the bank for other things.
Zalifer Nakamoda Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 56	Posted - 2012.08.22 19:44:00 - [10] - Quote Quake, one of the longest running competitive games was released in 1996. Counter Strike was first released in 1999. PS2 came out in 2000. EVE came out in 2003. PS3 came out in 2006. MW came out in 2007. MAG released in 2010. Quake is 16 years old. EVE is only 9. PS3 is a mere 6 years old. PS3 is a child. Clans have been around a while buddy. It didn't start with CoD. Link me your stats page. Why make me look for it. Prove to us all that you have the skill you claim. And what game is this? Pro-tip. If it has points appearing above an enemies head when they die, nobody in the real competitive scene will take you seriously. Your game is mass market appeal, designed to feed easy gameplay.