I don't know why EvE players play this game in the first place. Just stick to your game. Why do you care about the mechanics in this game when you'll just end up playing EvE once CCP makes this game take fps skill again?

I don't know why EvE players play this game in the first place. Just stick to your game. Why do you care about the mechanics in this game when you'll just end up playing EvE once CCP makes this game take fps skill again?

I play both. Where is your god now?

once CCP makes this game take fps skill again?

FPS skill= successfully aiming, dodging, weaving, killing, destroying

EvE skill= playing the longest

FPS skill= successfully aiming, dodging, weaving, killing, destroying

EvE skill= playing the longest

So twitching and shooting?

I have an eerie feeling that there are more EVE online players participating in the dust 514 beta than everyday console players. Why is that?

I don't know why EvE players play this game in the first place. Just stick to your game. Why do you care about the mechanics in this game when you'll just end up playing EvE once CCP makes this game take fps skill again?

That's the spirit in building a civil, mature community. When I played EVE it was both.

Because the console crowd are not happy with the state of the game. We have no love for CCP and were not welcomed very nicely upon arrival to the forums (those that bothered). EvE players could have vested interests in Dust. I'd imagine we'll see more participation with the next build. If not CCP might need to have a serious think about things.
Lots of people cba to test. Dust demo for playing slay yo. Get on it yo. Then back to play favorite games. Which Dust may become a part of one day when things pick up.

It's actually really important they DO keep playing EvE. They need to pay my cheap self to do things. Stick to what your good at.

By the way, your comment reads as if n non-Eve players are neither mature or civil.

FPS skill= successfully aiming, dodging, weaving, killing, destroying

EvE skill= playing the longest

I re-read what I wrote, and no, it doesn't read like that at all.

I don't know why EvE players play this game in the first place. Just stick to your game. Why do you care about the mechanics in this game when you'll just end up playing EvE once CCP makes this game take fps skill again?

Mechanics in this game are important, but is anyone really arguing over hit detection and better controls? I don't think so. And we've got veteran elite fps'ers giving different answers as to how strafy and fast they want the game to be, so that tells you right there it's a style choice.

The EVE players are here because they're invested in a universe they were part of creating. And it's a universe so rich, deep and complex it absolutely beggars any other universe that has come out of gaming. We're here because we're not going to let anybody **** that up simply because they have no idea of what they've gotten into.

I'm not trying to pick a fight here but try and name one universe that has come out of the fps community that can even begin to compare to New Eden. The answer is simple: there aren't any and there never will be.

Another way to measure that is when veteran EVE players are asked the question 'What is EVE?'. There are threads about how hard it is to answer that question because you just can't fit New Eden into an answer that will communicate what's really going on out there. Now apply the same test to any fps and the answer is almost trivial.

So if'n you want to run us outta our own universe, you better bring god's own f'in gun game and more, bub. ;)

Mechanics in this game are important, but is anyone really arguing over hit detection and better controls? I don't think so. And we've got veteran elite fps'ers giving different answers as to how strafy and fast they want the game to be, so that tells you right there it's a style choice.

The EVE players are here because they're invested in a universe they were part of creating. And it's a universe so rich, deep and complex it absolutely beggars any other universe that has come out of gaming. We're here because we're not going to let anybody **** that up simply because they have no idea of what they've gotten into.

I'm not trying to pick a fight here but try and name one universe that has come out of the fps community that can even begin to compare to New Eden. The answer is simple: there aren't any and there never will be.

Another way to measure that is when veteran EVE players are asked the question 'What is EVE?'. There are threads about how hard it is to answer that question because you just can't fit New Eden into an answer that will communicate what's really going on out there. Now apply the same test to any fps and the answer is almost trivial.

So if'n you want to run us outta our own universe, you better bring god's own f'in gun game and more, bub. ;)

I don't know why EvE players play this game in the first place. Just stick to your game. Why do you care about the mechanics in this game when you'll just end up playing EvE once CCP makes this game take fps skill again?

I don't know why EvE players play this game in the first place. Just stick to your game. Why do you care about the mechanics in this game when you'll just end up playing EvE once CCP makes this game take fps skill again?

Because of the eventual EVE-Dust integration. That's why many EVE players are here. That's why I'm here. I wouldn't have bothered a console FPS if it weren't for the integration. The very mechanics of this game WILL affect the very game that I hold dear. So yes, I give a damn about what happens in Dust. And I'm pretty sure many other Eve players are on the same boat.

You as a Dust only player should care about EVE as well, since it's going to affect your world too. While this game requires FPS skill (once CCP irons it out), Dust will require skills beyond that.

And why should I just stick to EVE only? There's many other great games out there.

Mechanics in this game are important, but is anyone really arguing over hit detection and better controls? I don't think so. And we've got veteran elite fps'ers giving different answers as to how strafy and fast they want the game to be, so that tells you right there it's a style choice.

So if'n you want to run us outta our own universe, you better bring god's own f'in gun game and more, bub. ;)

Why should EVE players get to decide what kind of game we should play?

Not trying to run you out of your universe... Just trying to keep you to your side... We know how this game should be let us help you

I don't know why EvE players play this game in the first place. Just stick to your game. Why do you care about the mechanics in this game when you'll just end up playing EvE once CCP makes this game take fps skill again?

So we shouldn't be allowed to provide feedback? There are parts to the game we have more experience with - fittings for example (how they synergize when stacking mods, how to make things fit when tight on powergrid, etc). This allows us to comment and provide feedback to make sure that Dust fits with what appears in Eve. There is more to the game than shooting, and while your experience in invaluable in those areas, ours is equally invaluable in other areas.

Also, if you want this game to be available to a more casual base, you need people who don't have as much experience in FPS to make sure it hat it is easily accessible (which is the largest problem Eve has - the learning curve). You can't make it for the elite hardcore gamers only.

Let the players with more fps experience handle how the game mechanics should go though bro.

Yup, confirming that my countless hours in the BF franchise means squat

Hey guys just ignore Omnipotent. He worships Protoman, basically rides him all day, and its obvious he's a CoD addict. Battlefield takes more skill than many console games, it requires skills in a variety of areas and specializations. $100 says you couldn't fly a jet at all the first time you played.

I don't know why EvE players play this game in the first place. Just stick to your game. Why do you care about the mechanics in this game when you'll just end up playing EvE once CCP makes this game take fps skill again?

Hey guys just ignore Omnipotent. He worships Protoman, basically rides him all day, and its obvious he's a CoD addict. Battlefield takes more skill than many console games, it requires skills in a variety of areas and specializations. $100 says you couldn't fly a jet at all the first time you played.

Bf takes skill. Dumb argument.

Not trying to run you out of your universe... Just trying to keep you to your side... We know how this game should be let us help you

How so? It takes no more skill than any other FPS.

So we shouldn't be allowed to provide feedback? There are parts to the game we have more experience with - fittings for example (how they synergize when stacking mods, how to make things fit when tight on powergrid, etc). This allows us to comment and provide feedback to make sure that Dust fits with what appears in Eve. There is more to the game than shooting, and while your experience in invaluable in those areas, ours is equally invaluable in other areas.

How so? It takes no more skill than any other FPS.

Recoil. Weapon weight. Sniper Bullet Drop. Needing to compensate for movement. More skill than most other games. Also, if you play on PC its much better. Than MAG.








Trolollllol....ol.

I do tend to laugh a lot when ever I hear something like this. FPS skill = hipfire and spray bullets all over the place, while running and hopping sideways.

It takes skill alight, not everybody can be that mindless.

Let the players with more fps experience handle how the game mechanics should go though bro.

No, because then it'd end up like every other FPS out there and those games bore the hell out of me.

The reason I'm here is because I like the idea of DUST and I want it to turn out well, because I intend to play it and enjoy it. My EVE account isn't even active right now and I barely play any games on my computer anymore.

What you don't seem to understand is that there are other types of FPSese besides the twitchy arcade-style run 'n' gun FPS. It's not an "EVE players want to ruin my game" thing, it's a "some people want a more thoughtful, tactical game instead of a game that's all about twitch reflexes".

I think the important question is why is someone who wants this game to be just like every other FPS here instead of playing one of those other FPSes?

I don't know why EvE players play this game in the first place. Just stick to your game. Why do you care about the mechanics in this game when you'll just end up playing EvE once CCP makes this game take fps skill again?

There is no difference in being tactical from twitch to non twitch shooters. If you think BF3, COD, or hell even MAG required twitch skills to win over teamwork and playing tactical then you are wrong. Go play one of those games and take part in clan matches and you will see you are absolutely wrong.

I remember a clan in MAG who had a lot of great killers but couldn't win worth a damn in a scrimmages. Going against 17 of them while only having 7 or 8 Valor Flock on which was also a group of killers. We dominated them with half the numbers. Why you ask? We had killers who were equal to the task but lower numbers but we had something called teamwork.

You can't base your experiences on FPS if you've never taken place in clan battles which is completely different then pub stomping. So while you try to make the game more "thoughtful and "tactical" you are hurting the game. That type of play will take place in losec and nullsec anyway making the game to difficult will scare people away from hisec. hisec=pub, lo and null=clan/corp battles.

A team full of unorganized killers will lose in lo and null while a team of organized killers will do great. This game is all one big pub stomp right now let them give us the option to group and watch how different people play then! Grouping is something that should already be in the beta IMO!

Because fps players want a mindless run and gun game.

You're talking about teamwork, and yes, that is invaluable in any team-based game.

I'm talking about gameplay that encourages or requires specific military tactics like flanking, suppression, things like that. You don't see that in most FPSes because they're arcadey run 'n' gun games. They're so far removed from the way real infantry combat works, that real infantry tactics are made meaningless.

This is distinct from "ok, everybody cap A" "they're rushing B, go defend it", which I'm guessing you're talking about. I'm assuming that level of teamwork is present also, although in most pub games it's not.

For example, if you can dodge most incoming fire, then cover is less important. If cover isn't used much, then flanking and suppressing become mostly meaningless.

Look at games like Red Orchestra, the old Rainbow Sixes, and things like that. They play very differently from a mainstream FPS. Maybe you've never played these, since hardcore military realism FPSes are usually on PC.

Now DUST should probably not be at that level of realism, since those are very niche games, but I want DUST to lean in that direction instead of the mainstream run 'n' gun style FPS that certain people on these forums want.

If you're in the dust beta then you're a console player, simple as that. Eve players got invites before the rest of the console rabble, but I think we are around even.

FPS skill= successfully aiming, dodging, weaving, killing, destroying

EvE skill= playing the longest

Because fps players want a mindless run and gun game.

My next prayer from CCP is a integrated RTS in eve for the PC/Mac

no we do not most of my m8 who play dust which is 10 people at the moment want more than run an gun and that's y we are playing dust every hr that it is on and sum cod wanna be clone

When EvE players can aim and shoot, he'll will freeze over. EvE players only defence is on these forums, having their superiority complex's.
@Garr
"We treat each other like Edited, so we'll treat you like **** too"

Something for us all to remember...
Null sec EvE players are Edited and dont understand that 80% of their population live in highsec. 80% of their own community can't be bothered with all the crap that goes with null sec. They just wanna hang out with a few buds, and look at how pretty space is.
The EvE community barely understands itself. (all those references to "carebears?" that's 80% of EvE players. The other 20% are the Edited makin out that they'll be dropping strikes every 2 minutes and laughing because they'll use marauders every game. No-one in EvE likes them either.
How are you planning on gettin Dusters to fight your wars when we hate you? ISK won't do it. Because we can get that in High sec in PvE or in PvP.
So what...1 in 5 EvE players acts like a tit by my calculations.

Gz

Lol please note that these elite console fpsers do not speak for all console players.

Noticing a lot of comments about not playing cod yet you want more gun game,kill streaks,no vehicles and a twitch shooter. If this is what you want please go check out mw3. Your dreams are already a reality and clearly you have read too many butt hurt mw1 pro noob tubing players hating on mw3.

Maps are so small the 'gun game' is insane,vehicles(kill streaks get taken out within a second of being called in) and damn the twitch game is insane(quickscoping,throwing knives and the famous panic knife...nearly forgot the drop shot)

What other console fps game franchise are all you elite console guys playing? You know one that has more than 100 thousand people playing it to even consider yourself the ambassador of console fps gamers? Please tell.

Battlefield 3 maybe? Can't be that with the noob hunter making days and days of leet video. Game is full of tank noobs under the map and fresh meat running the fields.

All the changes you uber players are asking for is going to turn this game into black ops 2.

Please stop.

Yes I have done my time as Soap. +20 days this title on ps3.

More on topic I guess they(CCP) are using eve players because...wait for it... Dust514 is half MMO and eve is an MMO. Get the connection?

Now did I win the cake?

If I judged all MAG/console players solely by posts and mic chat, I'd think the majority of them were moron mouth breathers with Asperger syndrome. Thankfully I've gotten to know a few of them since June and realize most them them are alright.

So CCP must listen to a handful of mag players that we can get the other 20k here and then what. The game dies on console with those numbers. Or has mag started with the daily updates and map packs?

I value FPS player opinions on what makes a decent FPS. Not copy-cat solutions but general ideas and mechanics.

Well Rank, you fit the bill for why I'm fed up of "I don't want CoD" comments. You've written a nice post saying you don't want this or that or for it to be like so&so.
You've not said 1 bloody thing you DO want. Gz. I hope you get a black screen on release. Everything you wanted, but with more colour :D

I just did gie le douche.

Don't make this a mainly fps focused only game. The market is saturated.

Plain and simple enough?

Not sorry for being rude you kill me all the time and are op. I say nerf Tony(does that count as constructive?). I have also played mw3 for more than 20 days and am still covered in filth and rage.

Again you just told me what you dont want. Woot woot (yeah I bothered to read your post after mine where you ask for MMO / RPG bias. Disagree) but this has very little to do with the balance of EvE players to Console gamers.

Null sec EvE players are ******** and dont understand that 80% of their population live in highsec. 80% of their own community can't be bothered with all the crap that goes with null sec. They just wanna hang out with a few buds, and look at how pretty space is.
The EvE community barely understands itself. (all those references to "carebears?" that's 80% of EvE players). The other 20% are the dicks makin out that they'll be dropping strikes every 2 minutes and laughing because they'll use marauders every game. No-one in EvE likes them either.
How are you planning on gettin Dusters to fight your wars when we hate you? ISK won't do it. Because we can get that in High sec in PvE or in PvP.
So what...1 in 5 EvE players acts like a tit by my calculations.

Another thread rife with

examples of this

I play both. Where is your god now?

I just want to say if someone wants a real "challenge" or show their gun skills, join the damn Military or gun club and PROVE how good your "skills" are instead of touting your epeen over a game... Drives me crazy when someone says "this game takes no skill". Also EVE players want this game to help THEM b/c its THEIR planetary infrastructure under attack.... I mean if you house was under "attack" would you idly sit by and let it get taken over...Didnt think so

Ok guys;

please stop to post: personal attacks, insult to each others and spam. You all are part of the DUST 514 community wherever your background is.

Thanks.

Let the players with more fps experience handle how the game mechanics should go though bro.

FPS experience? That's not what you're talking about though is it?

You mean "Console FPS of the specific style I like"

Because if you think you've been playing FPS longer than me then you are wrong. Been here since the start pal. Been playing FPS before consoles existed. I remember Wolfenstein the original, I played Spear of Destiny/Hexen/Heretic/Doom until my eyes bled. Sure you might well be better AT some of them than me amd probably all of them that use the DS3 in particular. But FPS experience in general? If that's all that counts then sit down and strap on your arse-kissing boots sonny, cause on that score there's a LOT of us "EVEtards" who've been gaming and FPS'ing FAR longer than you.

And even then, I'd be happy to defer to you on the FPS mechanics - but you aren't even talking about them anymore are you?
No, you're on here bitching about the MMO elements that make the higher SP players more powerful than the newbs. You're whining about there being too many vehicles in a freaking vehicle test-build, you're whining that KBM is coming because it might affect your E-peen becaue half the "scrubs" you are banking on to pad your KDR are actually pretty damn good at FPS and are crippled by their lack of familiarity with the cruddy DS3. You're the guys bitching that the RE's can be thrown and detonated and that killed the HMG by QQing tooo hard over it. (And by "you" I mean your side of this argument, Consolers and MAGtards)

Sure, come kill me in DUST, you won't be alone in that - and I don't even give a rats shite about dying either. But I sure as hell want the game I'm playiong to be a huge amount more than just another dead-in-6-months-twitch-shooter-MAG/COD/BF3-clone like you "Console" players seem to be demanding. Adter all, you're all going to be gone the moment the next COD clone drops anyway - it'll have more of the Reflex>Skill type twitch stuff you're aftyer anyway.

And I'm willing to bet I've owned a Playstation/Nintendo/Sega/NeoGeo bloody well longer than you have too by the way. Does that mean I'm more of a "console" player than you too? Does it make you want to suck up to my awesome knowledge and help me circle-jerk my E-peen? No? Well I don't give a rats about how "Experienced" you think you are either.

I prefer the Archery club. Guns are hassle in the UK. But I agree, when I went to the states, I gained a profound enjoyment of improving my grouping. Just like archery but a bit more noisy.
I fear that EvE players are more concerned with limiting the effects of Dust on EvE. The whole spy thing has me very frustrated. If Ironbloods numbers are right, there are more "spies" than active Beta testers.
I really feel that the majority of EvE posters feel like Dust is a rival corp. One to be broken before it can really get on it's feet.

FPS experience? That's not what you're talking about though is it?

You mean "Console FPS of the specific style I like"

Because if you think you've been playing FPS longer than me then you are wrong. Been here since the start pal. Been playing FPS before consoles existed. I remember Wolfenstein the original, I played Spear of Destiny/Hexen/Heretic/Doom until my eyes bled. Sure you might well be better AT some of them than me amd probably all of them that use the DS3 in particular. But FPS experience in general? If that's all that counts then sit down and strap on your arse-kissing boots sonny, cause on that score there's a LOT of us "EVEtards" who've been gaming and FPS'ing FAR longer than you.

And even then, I'd be happy to defer to you on the FPS mechanics - but you aren't even talking about them anymore are you?
No, you're on here bitching about the MMO elements that make the higher SP players more powerful than the newbs. You're whining about there being too many vehicles in a freaking vehicle test-build, you're whining that KBM is coming because it might affect your E-peen becaue half the "scrubs" you are banking on to pad your KDR are actually pretty damn good at FPS and are crippled by their lack of familiarity with the cruddy DS3. You're the guys bitching that the RE's can be thrown and detonated and that killed the HMG by QQing tooo hard over it. (And by "you" I mean your side of this argument, Consolers and MAGtards)

Sure, come kill me in DUST, you won't be alone in that - and I don't even give a rats shite about dying either. But I sure as hell want the game I'm playiong to be a huge amount more than just another dead-in-6-months-twitch-shooter-MAG/COD/BF3-clone like you "Console" players seem to be demanding. Adter all, you're all going to be gone the moment the next COD clone drops anyway - it'll have more of the Reflex>Skill type twitch stuff you're aftyer anyway.

And I'm willing to bet I've owned a Playstation/Nintendo/Sega/NeoGeo bloody well longer than you have too by the way. Does that mean I'm more of a "console" player than you too? Does it make you want to suck up to my awesome knowledge and help me circle-jerk my E-peen? No? Well I don't give a rats about how "Experienced" you think you are either.

I don't think the goal of these infiltrations is to cripple DUST. If I had to bet I'd say most EVE players are anxious to see New Eden grow. It's just that in wartime, you really want to have agents placed in every government and military possible. If only those agents were the seductive, curvy kind ;)

Somewhat completely unrelated but I know a guy who used to scam dudes in Jita by pretending to be a female and scamming ISK for cyber that was never provided.

The sandbox can get pretty frigging wierd. . .

Bet you'll never see that in COD et al. . .

A noob and his isk are SOONGäó parted
Corp chat gets weirder, there was a lengthily debate about necro goat **** (lol i cant say that "Adult movie") one day.
don't ask me how it started.

Why do people assume that if one plays EVE that we suck at FPS?

It's like if we can drive a car, we must suck at walking around.

Most of us probably have played more FPS than EVE, just using keyboard/mouse.

I've been playing FPS games since FPS existed, and played Team Fortress in 12v12 tournament league level competition for a couple years, which was the one of the top fps games in it's era. (not tf2, or tf classic)

Heck, I was at E3 when Thresh won his Ferrari in the Quake tournament, back when some of these kids were being bottle fed by childcare.

We just love the EVE universe, and want to make sure it fits within the Universe properly.. and many of us actually want to live in this side of things.


I want good everything-game.

What I can't stand is people trying to nerf everything that isn't an assault suit and an AR.

I want teamwork, I want brillant gunfights, I want great strategy and team cohesiveness.

So, enough with the stereotyping.

What happens if the console-jockeys win, and DUST gets SP's removed, loses the MMO aspect, loses the fitting and becomes very, very similar to say MAG/COD/BF3. What then? What's it's appeal, where's it's niche in the market? What would be the point-of-difference that would allow it to survive where others have become outdated? Because unless CCP can clone COD and give it better graphics on the same system somehow, then they have to innovate and do something new. Obviously this isn't something that our console FPS brothers are used to/want/can cope with. Nonetheless, it's vital to the potential longevity of DUST itself (Again something the Console FPS community don't seem to give a toss about - probably because as stated they'll be dropping it when the new leaderboards (sorry, Game) comes out).

FPS skill= successfully aiming, dodging, weaving, killing, destroying

EvE skill= playing the longest

If you guys care nothing for EVE, then why play a game immersed and born out of EVE?

There are dozens of games with pure gun game without all those pesky skills and OP vehicles and everything else. Go play CS or CoD or whatever fits your fancy.

This game is a RPG. A MMO FPS RPG set in the EVE Universe.

FPS experience? That's not what you're talking about though is it?

You mean "Console FPS of the specific style I like"

Because if you think you've been playing FPS longer than me then you are wrong. Been here since the start pal. Been playing FPS before consoles existed. I remember Wolfenstein the original, I played Spear of Destiny/Hexen/Heretic/Doom until my eyes bled. Sure you might well be better AT some of them than me amd probably all of them that use the DS3 in particular. But FPS experience in general? If that's all that counts then sit down and strap on your arse-kissing boots sonny, cause on that score there's a LOT of us "EVEtards" who've been gaming and FPS'ing FAR longer than you.

And even then, I'd be happy to defer to you on the FPS mechanics - but you aren't even talking about them anymore are you?
No, you're on here bitching about the MMO elements that make the higher SP players more powerful than the newbs. You're whining about there being too many vehicles in a freaking vehicle test-build, you're whining that KBM is coming because it might affect your E-peen becaue half the "scrubs" you are banking on to pad your KDR are actually pretty damn good at FPS and are crippled by their lack of familiarity with the cruddy DS3. You're the guys bitching that the RE's can be thrown and detonated and that killed the HMG by QQing tooo hard over it. (And by "you" I mean your side of this argument, Consolers and MAGtards)

Sure, come kill me in DUST, you won't be alone in that - and I don't even give a rats shite about dying either. But I sure as hell want the game I'm playiong to be a huge amount more than just another dead-in-6-months-twitch-shooter-MAG/COD/BF3-clone like you "Console" players seem to be demanding. Adter all, you're all going to be gone the moment the next COD clone drops anyway - it'll have more of the Reflex>Skill type twitch stuff you're aftyer anyway.

And I'm willing to bet I've owned a Playstation/Nintendo/Sega/NeoGeo bloody well longer than you have too by the way. Does that mean I'm more of a "console" player than you too? Does it make you want to suck up to my awesome knowledge and help me circle-jerk my E-peen? No? Well I don't give a rats about how "Experienced" you think you are either.

And DUST is a FPS that requires EVE skills. That's why it sucks.

If you guys care nothing for EVE, then why play a game immersed and born out of EVE?

There are dozens of games with pure gun game without all those pesky skills and OP vehicles and everything else. Go play CS or CoD or whatever fits your fancy.

This game is a RPG. A MMO FPS RPG set in the EVE Universe.

The game will have kbm because its designed this way.

We arent asking for kbm, its a designed game feature.

The whinners are asking it not to be included. The "fight" really is to take it off, not to take it in, because the game design includes it.

+1 to kbm, people are free to buy kbm's and use it.

Or simply dont play the game. Not forgeting that DS3 and move are suported as well. Chose your weapons.....