DUST Search - More EVE online players than console fps players?

Vrain Matari wrote:

Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:

I don't know why EvE players play this game in the first place. Just stick to your game. Why do you care about the mechanics in this game when you'll just end up playing EvE once CCP makes this game take fps skill again?

Mechanics in this game are important, but is anyone really arguing over hit detection and better controls? I don't think so. And we've got veteran elite fps'ers giving different answers as to how strafy and fast they want the game to be, so that tells you right there it's a style choice.

The EVE players are here because they're invested in a universe they were part of creating. And it's a universe so rich, deep and complex it absolutely beggars any other universe that has come out of gaming. We're here because we're not going to let anybody **** that up simply because they have no idea of what they've gotten into.

I'm not trying to pick a fight here but try and name one universe that has come out of the fps community that can even begin to compare to New Eden. The answer is simple: there aren't any and there never will be.

Another way to measure that is when veteran EVE players are asked the question 'What is EVE?'. There are threads about how hard it is to answer that question because you just can't fit New Eden into an answer that will communicate what's really going on out there. Now apply the same test to any fps and the answer is almost trivial.

So if'n you want to run us outta our own universe, you better bring god's own f'in gun game and more, bub. ;)

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Saiibot Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 142	Posted - 2012.08.06 22:27:00 - [1] - Quote I have an eerie feeling that there are more EVE online players participating in the dust 514 beta than everyday console players. Why is that?
Debacle Nano Shadow Company HQ 639	Posted - 2012.08.06 22:28:00 - [2] - Quote Maybe because CCP developed EVE?
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.08.06 22:38:00 - [3] - Quote Its due to most of us with full duration beta keys having gotten in via the MPT program they put up for EVE Online players.
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 914	Posted - 2012.08.06 22:39:00 - [4] - Quote Because CCP wanted Eve players to test it first since the ultimate goal is integration with Eve. We Eve players were the first invited.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.08.06 22:47:00 - [5] - Quote Large number of eve players where invited in hopes of keeping the game 'eve flavored' It would be like making sure like halo wars felt like halo still you catch the drift?
Kira Lannister Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 711	Posted - 2012.08.06 22:49:00 - [6] - Quote Because fps players want a mindless run and gun game.
Baron Rittmeister Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 81	Posted - 2012.08.06 22:49:00 - [7] - Quote If you're in the dust beta then you're a console player, simple as that. Eve players got invites before the rest of the console rabble, but I think we are around even.
Arramakaian Eka Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 363	Posted - 2012.08.06 22:54:00 - [8] - Quote That's the spirit in building a civil, mature community. When I played EVE it was both.
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.08.06 23:00:00 - [9] - Quote I don't know why EvE players play this game in the first place. Just stick to your game. Why do you care about the mechanics in this game when you'll just end up playing EvE once CCP makes this game take fps skill again?
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.08.06 23:01:00 - [10] - Quote Because the console crowd are not happy with the state of the game. We have no love for CCP and were not welcomed very nicely upon arrival to the forums (those that bothered). EvE players could have vested interests in Dust. I'd imagine we'll see more participation with the next build. If not CCP might need to have a serious think about things. Lots of people cba to test. Dust demo for playing slay yo. Get on it yo. Then back to play favorite games. Which Dust may become a part of one day when things pick up.

Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.08.06 23:04:00 - [11] - Quote Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: I don't know why EvE players play this game in the first place. Just stick to your game. Why do you care about the mechanics in this game when you'll just end up playing EvE once CCP makes this game take fps skill again? It's actually really important they DO keep playing EvE. They need to pay my cheap self to do things. Stick to what your good at.
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 256	Posted - 2012.08.06 23:05:00 - [12] - Quote Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: I don't know why EvE players play this game in the first place. Just stick to your game. Why do you care about the mechanics in this game when you'll just end up playing EvE once CCP makes this game take fps skill again? I play both. Where is your god now?
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.08.06 23:07:00 - [13] - Quote What the real question is... Why are EvE player's opinions on game mechanics for this CONSOLE FPS taken so seriously CCP? MOST of them don't have too much experience with this stuff. ADS= Advanced dodging skills LOLLOLOLOLOOLOOLOLOL
Jaiden Longshot Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 216	Posted - 2012.08.06 23:08:00 - [14] - Quote Abron Garr wrote: Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: I don't know why EvE players play this game in the first place. Just stick to your game. Why do you care about the mechanics in this game when you'll just end up playing EvE once CCP makes this game take fps skill again? I play both. Where is your god now? ^^^This....LMAO
Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.08.06 23:34:00 - [15] - Quote Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: once CCP makes this game take fps skill again? I do tend to laugh a lot when ever I hear something like this. FPS skill = hipfire and spray bullets all over the place, while running and hopping sideways. It takes skill alight, not everybody can be that mindless.
Debacle Nano Shadow Company HQ 639	Posted - 2012.08.06 23:36:00 - [16] - Quote So true^
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.08.06 23:37:00 - [17] - Quote FPS skill= successfully aiming, dodging, weaving, killing, destroying EvE skill= playing the longest
vermacht Doe 93	Posted - 2012.08.06 23:41:00 - [18] - Quote Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: FPS skill= successfully aiming, dodging, weaving, killing, destroying EvE skill= playing the longest So twitching and shooting?
Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.08.06 23:42:00 - [19] - Quote Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: FPS skill= successfully aiming, dodging, weaving, killing, destroying EvE skill= playing the longest You obviously haven't been playing EVE. It is true that older players are generally better, and "stronger", but tell me which game that isn't true. And as with DUST, even high level players don't fly their most expensive fits all the time.
Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.08.06 23:43:00 - [20] - Quote vermacht Doe wrote: Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: FPS skill= successfully aiming, dodging, weaving, killing, destroying EvE skill= playing the longest So twitching and shooting? +1 And it sounds to me that having an epileptic seizure is a buff in those games.

Arceus Evoxazon Hikahotaru 119	Posted - 2012.08.06 23:47:00 - [21] - Quote Saiibot wrote: I have an eerie feeling that there are more EVE online players participating in the dust 514 beta than everyday console players. Why is that? Everyone, here has played more EVE than me! OOOOOOOOooooooOOOh! Does anybody else ... Get THAT FEELING! Whooooaaaao-ooo
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 914	Posted - 2012.08.06 23:52:00 - [22] - Quote Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: I don't know why EvE players play this game in the first place. Just stick to your game. Why do you care about the mechanics in this game when you'll just end up playing EvE once CCP makes this game take fps skill again? You are assuming we only play Eve, which is not the case. If that were true, I wouldn't try to convince people who play other game types to try Eve, and I wouldn't try game types I'm not familiar with. This comment, like the one from the Eve player who implied that only Eve players are civil will do nothing but divide us. We are a community of gamers first, and should remember that. :)
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 914	Posted - 2012.08.06 23:53:00 - [23] - Quote Arramakaian Eka wrote: That's the spirit in building a civil, mature community. When I played EVE it was both. Not entirely true - but I give you credit for trying. I've played Eve for over 4 years and I can tell you that there are just as many immature and uncivil players in this game as in other games. By the way, your comment reads as if n non-Eve players are neither mature or civil.
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 914	Posted - 2012.08.06 23:55:00 - [24] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Because the console crowd are not happy with the state of the game. We have no love for CCP and were not welcomed very nicely upon arrival to the forums (those that bothered). EvE players could have vested interests in Dust. I'd imagine we'll see more participation with the next build. If not CCP might need to have a serious think about things. Lots of people cba to test. Dust demo for playing slay yo. Get on it yo. Then back to play favorite games. Which Dust may become a part of one day when things pick up. I'm sorry you didn't feel welcomed. I tried to make a point to welcome non-Eve players and will happily fight by your side. Be sure to say hi to me in game if we are in a match together. :) As for the comment, I find about half the people on comms are an even mix of Eve and non-Eve players.
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 914	Posted - 2012.08.06 23:57:00 - [25] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: I don't know why EvE players play this game in the first place. Just stick to your game. Why do you care about the mechanics in this game when you'll just end up playing EvE once CCP makes this game take fps skill again? It's actually really important they DO keep playing EvE. They need to pay my cheap self to do things. Stick to what your good at. We can't be good at both? In seriousness, I enjoy both games quite a bit.
Arramakaian Eka Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 363	Posted - 2012.08.06 23:59:00 - [26] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: Arramakaian Eka wrote: That's the spirit in building a civil, mature community. When I played EVE it was both. By the way, your comment reads as if n non-Eve players are neither mature or civil. I re-read what I wrote, and no, it doesn't read like that at all.
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 914	Posted - 2012.08.07 00:00:00 - [27] - Quote Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: FPS skill= successfully aiming, dodging, weaving, killing, destroying EvE skill= playing the longest Both games take skills of different kinds. Trust me, there is a skill to Eve, just as there is skill to Dust and FPS games.
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 914	Posted - 2012.08.07 00:01:00 - [28] - Quote Arramakaian Eka wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: Arramakaian Eka wrote: That's the spirit in building a civil, mature community. When I played EVE it was both. By the way, your comment reads as if n non-Eve players are neither mature or civil. I re-read what I wrote, and no, it doesn't read like that at all. That's how I read it, and I'm guessing others might feel the same. It's about perspective. The next logical thought after yours is "if these qualities are why CCP chose to test wtih Eve players, and I'm not an Eve player, does this mean I am not mature or civil?"
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Legacy Rising 404	Posted - 2012.08.07 00:35:00 - [29] - Quote Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: I don't know why EvE players play this game in the first place. Just stick to your game. Why do you care about the mechanics in this game when you'll just end up playing EvE once CCP makes this game take fps skill again? Mechanics in this game are important, but is anyone really arguing over hit detection and better controls? I don't think so. And we've got veteran elite fps'ers giving different answers as to how strafy and fast they want the game to be, so that tells you right there it's a style choice. The EVE players are here because they're invested in a universe they were part of creating. And it's a universe so rich, deep and complex it absolutely beggars any other universe that has come out of gaming. We're here because we're not going to let anybody **** that up simply because they have no idea of what they've gotten into. I'm not trying to pick a fight here but try and name one universe that has come out of the fps community that can even begin to compare to New Eden. The answer is simple: there aren't any and there never will be. Another way to measure that is when veteran EVE players are asked the question 'What is EVE?'. There are threads about how hard it is to answer that question because you just can't fit New Eden into an answer that will communicate what's really going on out there. Now apply the same test to any fps and the answer is almost trivial. So if'n you want to run us outta our own universe, you better bring god's own f'in gun game and more, bub. ;)
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.08.07 00:38:00 - [30] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: I don't know why EvE players play this game in the first place. Just stick to your game. Why do you care about the mechanics in this game when you'll just end up playing EvE once CCP makes this game take fps skill again? Mechanics in this game are important, but is anyone really arguing over hit detection and better controls? I don't think so. And we've got veteran elite fps'ers giving different answers as to how strafy and fast they want the game to be, so that tells you right there it's a style choice. The EVE players are here because they're invested in a universe they were part of creating. And it's a universe so rich, deep and complex it absolutely beggars any other universe that has come out of gaming. We're here because we're not going to let anybody **** that up simply because they have no idea of what they've gotten into. I'm not trying to pick a fight here but try and name one universe that has come out of the fps community that can even begin to compare to New Eden. The answer is simple: there aren't any and there never will be. Another way to measure that is when veteran EVE players are asked the question 'What is EVE?'. There are threads about how hard it is to answer that question because you just can't fit New Eden into an answer that will communicate what's really going on out there. Now apply the same test to any fps and the answer is almost trivial. So if'n you want to run us outta our own universe, you better bring god's own f'in gun game and more, bub. ;) Not trying to run you out of your universe... Just trying to keep you to your side... We know how this game should be let us help you



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