DUST Search - More EVE online players than console fps players?

Forlorn Destrier wrote:

Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:

Vrain Matari wrote:

Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:

I don't know why EvE players play this game in the first place. Just stick to your game. Why do you care about the mechanics in this game when you'll just end up playing EvE once CCP makes this game take fps skill again?

Mechanics in this game are important, but is anyone really arguing over hit detection and better controls? I don't think so. And we've got veteran elite fps'ers giving different answers as to how strafy and fast they want the game to be, so that tells you right there it's a style choice.

The EVE players are here because they're invested in a universe they were part of creating. And it's a universe so rich, deep and complex it absolutely beggars any other universe that has come out of gaming. We're here because we're not going to let anybody **** that up simply because they have no idea of what they've gotten into.

I'm not trying to pick a fight here but try and name one universe that has come out of the fps community that can even begin to compare to New Eden. The answer is simple: there aren't any and there never will be.

Another way to measure that is when veteran EVE players are asked the question 'What is EVE?'. There are threads about how hard it is to answer that question because you just can't fit New Eden into an answer that will communicate what's really going on out there. Now apply the same test to any fps and the answer is almost trivial.

So if'n you want to run us outta our own universe, you better bring god's own f'in gun game and more, bub. ;)

Not trying to run you out of your universe... Just trying to keep you to your side... We know how this game should be let us help you

So we shouldn't be allowed to provide feedback? There are parts to the game we have more experience with - fittings for example (how they synergize when stacking mods, how to make things fit when tight on powergrid, etc). This allows us to comment and provide feedback to make sure that Dust fits with what appears in Eve. There is more to the game than shooting, and while your experience in invaluable in those areas, ours is equally invaluable in other areas.

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Regis Mark V 249	Posted - 2012.08.07 00:47:00 - [31] - Quote Why should EVE players get to decide what kind of game we should play? Obviously the more CCP listens to you the more people will leave the game. This is a console shooter being designed for people interested in EVE universe but don't really care for it's game play. If you keep getting your way the gameplay will be exactly like EVE but except spaceships it will be with rifles. Dust deserves it's own soul while existing within EVE the more I played when I played I realized it looked and felt just like EVE. They claim Dust to be a AAA MMOFPS when in reality it's an MMORPG with a FPS minigame because thats how the game is being treated. There are those of us who are hardcore FPS'ers most which do not play COD. But this games design is so bad it can turn even the most hardcore away and only attract people who want advantage through playtime!
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.08.07 00:53:00 - [32] - Quote I can't believe these guys don't realize how much they are ruining there game.
Regis Mark V 249	Posted - 2012.08.07 00:53:00 - [33] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: I don't know why EvE players play this game in the first place. Just stick to your game. Why do you care about the mechanics in this game when you'll just end up playing EvE once CCP makes this game take fps skill again? Mechanics in this game are important, but is anyone really arguing over hit detection and better controls? I don't think so. And we've got veteran elite fps'ers giving different answers as to how strafy and fast they want the game to be, so that tells you right there it's a style choice. The EVE players are here because they're invested in a universe they were part of creating. And it's a universe so rich, deep and complex it absolutely beggars any other universe that has come out of gaming. We're here because we're not going to let anybody ** that up simply because they have no idea of what they've gotten into. I'm not trying to pick a fight here but try and name one universe that has come out of the fps community that can even begin to compare to New Eden. The answer is simple: there aren't any and there never will be. Another way to measure that is when veteran EVE players are asked the question 'What is EVE?'. There are threads about how hard it is to answer that question because you just can't fit New Eden into an answer that will communicate what's really going on out there. Now apply the same test to any fps and the answer is almost trivial. So if'n you want to run us outta our own universe, you better bring god's own f'in gun game and more, bub. ;) Why do EVE players get to decide what is fun or not? Whether it's a twitch shooter or has non inspirational gameplay you'll still pay the best corps to win for you. FACT is CCP is tailoring this game to EVE online players and they don't give 2 *** about us console players! I'm just waiting for them to admit it...
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.08.07 01:02:00 - [34] - Quote Actualy most eve players are still raging that this is on console and hate you all. The ones that have shown up here are mostly console players but dont let that stop the hate keep at it.
Mafty Navilles Erin Legitimate Businessman's Club 8	Posted - 2012.08.07 01:02:00 - [35] - Quote Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: I don't know why EvE players play this game in the first place. Just stick to your game. Why do you care about the mechanics in this game when you'll just end up playing EvE once CCP makes this game take fps skill again? godamn forum ate my post
Mafty Navilles Erin Legitimate Businessman's Club 8	Posted - 2012.08.07 01:03:00 - [36] - Quote Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: I don't know why EvE players play this game in the first place. Just stick to your game. Why do you care about the mechanics in this game when you'll just end up playing EvE once CCP makes this game take fps skill again? Because of the eventual EVE-Dust integration. That's why many EVE players are here. That's why I'm here. I wouldn't have bothered a console FPS if it weren't for the integration. The very mechanics of this game WILL affect the very game that I hold dear. So yes, I give a damn about what happens in Dust. And I'm pretty sure many other Eve players are on the same boat. You as a Dust only player should care about EVE as well, since it's going to affect your world too. While this game requires FPS skill (once CCP irons it out), Dust will require skills beyond that. And why should I just stick to EVE only? There's many other great games out there.
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.08.07 01:10:00 - [37] - Quote Mafty Navilles Erin wrote: Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: I don't know why EvE players play this game in the first place. Just stick to your game. Why do you care about the mechanics in this game when you'll just end up playing EvE once CCP makes this game take fps skill again? Because of the eventual EVE-Dust integration. That's why many EVE players are here. That's why I'm here. I wouldn't have bothered a console FPS if it weren't for the integration. The very mechanics of this game WILL affect the very game that I hold dear. So yes, I give a damn about what happens in Dust. And I'm pretty sure many other Eve players are on the same boat. You as a Dust only player should care about EVE as well, since it's going to affect your world too. While this game requires FPS skill (once CCP irons it out), Dust will require skills beyond that. And why should I just stick to EVE only? There's many other great games out there. Let the players with more fps experience handle how the game mechanics should go though bro.
Gelan Corbaine BetaMax. 103	Posted - 2012.08.07 01:10:00 - [38] - Quote Because Eve Players never played any other games before and definitely never played FPSs for years . I mean seriously who the heck plays FPS games on a PC ?!! Obviously they don't bloody exist .... heh next you'd be telling me that there are gamers who actually play things on multiple gaming platforms or some such nonsense . /sarcasm mode off .
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.08.07 01:12:00 - [39] - Quote Quote: Mechanics in this game are important, but is anyone really arguing over hit detection and better controls? I don't think so. And we've got veteran elite fps'ers giving different answers as to how strafy and fast they want the game to be, so that tells you right there it's a style choice. But the general consensus IMHO from the FPS crowd is we want it faster. How much is up for debate. A few player still crack on about their sluggish game play being more tactical/strategic, but being slow has no upside really. Being fast is awesome (fact). The problem is a few "EvE integration diehards" get involved from their Dropship or tank in a thread about strafe speed ect. See the problem? This then leads to the stereotyping of EvE players rather a negative way. Quote: So if'n you want to run us outta our own universe, you better bring god's own f'in gun game and more, bub. ;) Something tells me CCP would start letting your titans doomsday our PSN accounts out of existence along with several planets. Quote: Why should EVE players get to decide what kind of game we should play? Because they're playing Dust too, or atleast the ones in the beta. Loads of the EvE crowd are good people. Forums and Internet anonymity bring out the worst in people. Yeah I'm an ******** on here sometimes, swinging my epeen but I realise the less "skilled" players might actually make up a larger proportion of the player base than the elite. Hence being elite and what not. While the elite usually know what they're on about, it would be silly for CCP to ignore less skilled players. Edit: just to be clear I am not elite. Just good.
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 914	Posted - 2012.08.07 01:14:00 - [40] - Quote Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: I don't know why EvE players play this game in the first place. Just stick to your game. Why do you care about the mechanics in this game when you'll just end up playing EvE once CCP makes this game take fps skill again? Mechanics in this game are important, but is anyone really arguing over hit detection and better controls? I don't think so. And we've got veteran elite fps'ers giving different answers as to how strafy and fast they want the game to be, so that tells you right there it's a style choice. The EVE players are here because they're invested in a universe they were part of creating. And it's a universe so rich, deep and complex it absolutely beggars any other universe that has come out of gaming. We're here because we're not going to let anybody **** that up simply because they have no idea of what they've gotten into. I'm not trying to pick a fight here but try and name one universe that has come out of the fps community that can even begin to compare to New Eden. The answer is simple: there aren't any and there never will be. Another way to measure that is when veteran EVE players are asked the question 'What is EVE?'. There are threads about how hard it is to answer that question because you just can't fit New Eden into an answer that will communicate what's really going on out there. Now apply the same test to any fps and the answer is almost trivial. So if'n you want to run us outta our own universe, you better bring god's own f'in gun game and more, bub. ;) Not trying to run you out of your universe... Just trying to keep you to your side... We know how this game should be let us help you So we shouldn't be allowed to provide feedback? There are parts to the game we have more experience with - fittings for example (how they synergize when stacking mods, how to make things fit when tight on powergrid, etc). This allows us to comment and provide feedback to make sure that Dust fits with what appears in Eve. There is more to the game than shooting, and while your experience in invaluable in those areas, ours is equally invaluable in other areas.

Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.08.07 01:17:00 - [41] - Quote Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: I don't know why EvE players play this game in the first place. Just stick to your game. Why do you care about the mechanics in this game when you'll just end up playing EvE once CCP makes this game take fps skill again? Because one day I will be footing your bill and I want to understand how in the hell you screwed up by the numbers. Some of us are here for evaluation of the new clone technology being developed. Yeah belive it or not this beta is already in the story line of new eden, what you do here and now will effect the future of both games.
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 914	Posted - 2012.08.07 01:17:00 - [42] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: I don't know why EvE players play this game in the first place. Just stick to your game. Why do you care about the mechanics in this game when you'll just end up playing EvE once CCP makes this game take fps skill again? Mechanics in this game are important, but is anyone really arguing over hit detection and better controls? I don't think so. And we've got veteran elite fps'ers giving different answers as to how strafy and fast they want the game to be, so that tells you right there it's a style choice. The EVE players are here because they're invested in a universe they were part of creating. And it's a universe so rich, deep and complex it absolutely beggars any other universe that has come out of gaming. We're here because we're not going to let anybody **** that up simply because they have no idea of what they've gotten into. I'm not trying to pick a fight here but try and name one universe that has come out of the fps community that can even begin to compare to New Eden. The answer is simple: there aren't any and there never will be. Another way to measure that is when veteran EVE players are asked the question 'What is EVE?'. There are threads about how hard it is to answer that question because you just can't fit New Eden into an answer that will communicate what's really going on out there. Now apply the same test to any fps and the answer is almost trivial. So if'n you want to run us outta our own universe, you better bring god's own f'in gun game and more, bub. ;) Not trying to run you out of your universe... Just trying to keep you to your side... We know how this game should be let us help you So we shouldn't be allowed to provide feedback? There are parts to the game we have more experience with - fittings for example (how they synergize when stacking mods, how to make things fit when tight on powergrid, etc). This allows us to comment and provide feedback to make sure that Dust fits with what appears in Eve. There is more to the game than shooting, and while your experience in invaluable in those areas, ours is equally invaluable in other areas. Also, if you want this game to be available to a more casual base, you need people who don't have as much experience in FPS to make sure it hat it is easily accessible (which is the largest problem Eve has - the learning curve). You can't make it for the elite hardcore gamers only.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.08.07 01:21:00 - [43] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: Also, if you want this game to be available to a more casual base, you need people who don't have as much experience in FPS to make sure it hat it is easily accessible (which is the largest problem Eve has - the learning curve). You can't make it for the elite hardcore gamers only. And we value your feedback very much so, I want a game that draws thousands of loyal soldieres into the fold and having a 'fun' game is nessecary for it. There is definetly room for much better tutorials and both eve and dust players are extremly upset over gun play and other data side issues. .
Mafty Navilles Erin Legitimate Businessman's Club 8	Posted - 2012.08.07 01:22:00 - [44] - Quote Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: Mafty Navilles Erin wrote: Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: I don't know why EvE players play this game in the first place. Just stick to your game. Why do you care about the mechanics in this game when you'll just end up playing EvE once CCP makes this game take fps skill again? Because of the eventual EVE-Dust integration. That's why many EVE players are here. That's why I'm here. I wouldn't have bothered a console FPS if it weren't for the integration. The very mechanics of this game WILL affect the very game that I hold dear. So yes, I give a damn about what happens in Dust. And I'm pretty sure many other Eve players are on the same boat. You as a Dust only player should care about EVE as well, since it's going to affect your world too. While this game requires FPS skill (once CCP irons it out), Dust will require skills beyond that. And why should I just stick to EVE only? There's many other great games out there. Let the players with more fps experience handle how the game mechanics should go though bro. Yup, confirming that my countless hours in the BF franchise means squat
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.08.07 01:25:00 - [45] - Quote Mafty Navilles Erin wrote: Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: Mafty Navilles Erin wrote: Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: I don't know why EvE players play this game in the first place. Just stick to your game. Why do you care about the mechanics in this game when you'll just end up playing EvE once CCP makes this game take fps skill again? Because of the eventual EVE-Dust integration. That's why many EVE players are here. That's why I'm here. I wouldn't have bothered a console FPS if it weren't for the integration. The very mechanics of this game WILL affect the very game that I hold dear. So yes, I give a damn about what happens in Dust. And I'm pretty sure many other Eve players are on the same boat. You as a Dust only player should care about EVE as well, since it's going to affect your world too. While this game requires FPS skill (once CCP irons it out), Dust will require skills beyond that. And why should I just stick to EVE only? There's many other great games out there. Let the players with more fps experience handle how the game mechanics should go though bro. Yup, confirming that my countless hours in the BF franchise means squat Battlefield is one game. Not one that takes too much skill tbqh.
Icy Tiger 496	Posted - 2012.08.07 01:28:00 - [46] - Quote Hey guys just ignore Omnipotent. He worships Protoman, basically rides him all day, and its obvious he's a CoD addict. Battlefield takes more skill than many console games, it requires skills in a variety of areas and specializations. $100 says you couldn't fly a jet at all the first time you played.
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.08.07 01:30:00 - [47] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: Hey guys just ignore Omnipotent. He worships Protoman, basically rides him all day, and its obvious he's a CoD addict. Battlefield takes more skill than many console games, it requires skills in a variety of areas and specializations. $100 says you couldn't fly a jet at all the first time you played. Of course I couldn't it takes time to learn.
Maken Tosch 263	Posted - 2012.08.07 01:45:00 - [48] - Quote Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: I don't know why EvE players play this game in the first place. Just stick to your game. Why do you care about the mechanics in this game when you'll just end up playing EvE once CCP makes this game take fps skill again? I will tell you why. Because Dust will be linked directly to Eve. Because as Dust becomes improved over the years just like Eve, Dust will have a major impact on both games. So it becomes our business as to what happens in Dust. Because we were the first players that CCP Games invited to test Dust. I hope that explains it for you.
Regis Mark V 249	Posted - 2012.08.07 01:54:00 - [49] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: Hey guys just ignore Omnipotent. He worships Protoman, basically rides him all day, and its obvious he's a CoD addict. Battlefield takes more skill than many console games, it requires skills in a variety of areas and specializations. $100 says you couldn't fly a jet at all the first time you played. Battlefield take little to no skill lol. dedicated Pilot/assault medic. Averaged a 2.5 WLR running solo with a 2.0 KDR, 450 SPM, Also with a variety of weapons under my belt. Also I haven't played that game in months February I believe stopped at 176 hours and still have better stat lines than most people who still play with over 300+ hours. I could fly a jet 1st time played... Top 10 in Ace Combat 6 on the 360.... Most people in BF3 can't even perform a proper immelman turn! Or even know how to dog fight! One more thing BF3 is my first BF game and I tried the others takes no more or no less skill than BF3!
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.08.07 01:59:00 - [50] - Quote Bf takes skill. Dumb argument.

Regis Mark V 249	Posted - 2012.08.07 02:02:00 - [51] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Bf takes skill. Dumb argument. How so? It takes no more skill than any other FPS.
Maken Tosch 263	Posted - 2012.08.07 02:07:00 - [52] - Quote Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: I don't know why EvE players play this game in the first place. Just stick to your game. Why do you care about the mechanics in this game when you'll just end up playing EvE once CCP makes this game take fps skill again? Mechanics in this game are important, but is anyone really arguing over hit detection and better controls? I don't think so. And we've got veteran elite fps'ers giving different answers as to how strafy and fast they want the game to be, so that tells you right there it's a style choice. The EVE players are here because they're invested in a universe they were part of creating. And it's a universe so rich, deep and complex it absolutely beggars any other universe that has come out of gaming. We're here because we're not going to let anybody **** that up simply because they have no idea of what they've gotten into. I'm not trying to pick a fight here but try and name one universe that has come out of the fps community that can even begin to compare to New Eden. The answer is simple: there aren't any and there never will be. Another way to measure that is when veteran EVE players are asked the question 'What is EVE?'. There are threads about how hard it is to answer that question because you just can't fit New Eden into an answer that will communicate what's really going on out there. Now apply the same test to any fps and the answer is almost trivial. So if'n you want to run us outta our own universe, you better bring god's own f'in gun game and more, bub. ;) Not trying to run you out of your universe... Just trying to keep you to your side... We know how this game should be let us help you I am going to bump into this and say I am a dedicated Eve Online player with almost 5 years experience and have done a lot of things from pvp, to industry, to piracy, and now I intend to expand on trade. But I am also a dedicated Halo player dating back to the very first Halo Combat Evolved game on the original Xbox. I have also played Call of Duty for some time as well as Battlefield, Delta Force, Ghost Recon series, etc. I have plenty of experience in first person shooters and I am doing my part to help strike a balance. Let us also not forget that there are now MAG players here who are working with Eve players to try to make Dust the best there is. If anything, MAG players might know more about how to strike a balance with this game than probably you and me combined... unless you are a MAG player as well. If so, please help, but do not go out and treat Eve players like we are some kind of disease by trying to put us on one side of the fence.
Arceus Evoxazon Hikahotaru 119	Posted - 2012.08.07 02:14:00 - [53] - Quote What's EVE???
Icy Tiger 496	Posted - 2012.08.07 02:15:00 - [54] - Quote Regis Mark V wrote: Tony Calif wrote: Bf takes skill. Dumb argument. How so? It takes no more skill than any other FPS. Recoil. Weapon weight. Sniper Bullet Drop. Needing to compensate for movement. More skill than most other games. Also, if you play on PC its much better. Than MAG. Trolollllol....ol.
HowDidThatTaste 461	Posted - 2012.08.07 02:18:00 - [55] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: So we shouldn't be allowed to provide feedback? There are parts to the game we have more experience with - fittings for example (how they synergize when stacking mods, how to make things fit when tight on powergrid, etc). This allows us to comment and provide feedback to make sure that Dust fits with what appears in Eve. There is more to the game than shooting, and while your experience in invaluable in those areas, ours is equally invaluable in other areas. I keep hearing people from eve talk about how hard it is to make your fittings work and that this is an important skill to have. Unless we get a ton more stuff to implement that has no information next to it. I can't imagine this being difficult at all. It took me all of a half an hour to read the tabs of the stuff I wanted and put a game plan together to get it. The rest is a little trial and error, and a calculator, or I imagine someone will write an evlopidia. So unless there is something added to this game that has no definitions or information. I can't imagine that fittings is an important skill that us fps'ers can't figure out in say a few hours if that. Now I do see how important it is in beta that your input guides the development process to make it balance properly. I think that is all the Fps'ers want is that a fluid gun play is developed so that the game is rewarding to the senses as you play it. Itink that's why so many people talk about mag in this way. It was a very satisfying fps we just want to bring certain enjoyable game mechanics to this discussion. I'm sure if both sides would just listen we all want the same thing.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.08.07 02:38:00 - [56] - Quote Regis Mark V wrote: Tony Calif wrote: Bf takes skill. Dumb argument. How so? It takes no more skill than any other FPS. More skill than EvE is the point I believe. It's just totally different skill. For god sake, asteroids don't even stop shots on EvE. There is no cover. It's just weak in the FPS crowds eyes as CoD is to the EvE crowd. CoD is just an example, don't focus on that please.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.08.07 02:40:00 - [57] - Quote @Garr If those posts slap you in the face then yeah, it colours your judgement. Btw can we stop the quotes and just say @? Too much to scroll through...
Regis Mark V 249	Posted - 2012.08.07 02:50:00 - [58] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: Regis Mark V wrote: Tony Calif wrote: Bf takes skill. Dumb argument. How so? It takes no more skill than any other FPS. Recoil. Weapon weight. Sniper Bullet Drop. Needing to compensate for movement. More skill than most other games. Also, if you play on PC its much better. Than MAG. Trolollllol....ol. Bullet drop is null considering you are fighting over objectives most battles in BF3 if you PTFO take place within 100m where the path of the round is till on the incline of it's curve. Recoil is not a factor because once again all battles are in 100 m recoil never bothered me on PC or PS3 and I used the heavy barrel for most of my AR's. Of course BF3 on PC is better than MAG, BF3 on console is better. Also you have to lead targets in any FPS if they are running another way.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Legacy Rising 404	Posted - 2012.08.07 03:08:00 - [59] - Quote We all know what's required for any kind of progress to be made: both sides gotta call off their dogs, or put 'em down. No excuses. I will say that any group that thinks they're gonna go forum warrior and try and browbeat or bully EVE players is only gonna get one thing out of it: an education. All parties must submit and let the memory wipe for the new build be complete. Doing our part to make this game rock is more important than anybody's e-pride. The future pay-off promises to be sweet, if we can just keep our ** together for six more months. After that, I suppose we can all happily go back to ahole mode.
Shadoe Wolf Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 80	Posted - 2012.08.07 03:32:00 - [60] - Quote Here we go again, with all the EVE player bashing and Console player bashing. This is why I don't visit the forums much anymore. I wish that both sides could mutually say that yes this game needs work and just constructively state what is wrong and what could be done to make it better. I admit, my experience with FPS games is limited. I have stated that before and when I said that I felt that the sniper rifle felt fine, I pretty much got blasted and told to quit playing. These types of things CAN kill a game just as much as poor design/mechanics. If you can't get a good community to rally around what can be, and I think CCP will create, a great game, then you are killing it yourself, not CCP. I know there are lots of problems, as many have pointed out. But rather than saying go back to your game and let us elites tell ccp how to balance it, just state what you might work and why it would be good that way, and move on and let the other person state why it should or shouldn't be that way, and then move on to the next issue. With time between when server is up, I know it can be hard. DUST can be very addictive, even with it being so repetitive at the moment. Many I'm sure are getting itchy trigger fingers and it can show on the forums. Let's all just remember that we are here to HELP create a great game. In other words....."Can't we all just get along"



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