Mechanics in this game are important, but is anyone really arguing over hit detection and better controls? I don't think so. And we've got veteran elite fps'ers giving different answers as to how strafy and fast they want the game to be, so that tells you right there it's a style choice.

The EVE players are here because they're invested in a universe they were part of creating. And it's a universe so rich, deep and complex it absolutely beggars any other universe that has come out of gaming. We're here because we're not going to let anybody **** that up simply because they have no idea of what they've gotten into.

I'm not trying to pick a fight here but try and name one universe that has come out of the fps community that can even begin to compare to New Eden. The answer is simple: there aren't any and there never will be.

Another way to measure that is when veteran EVE players are asked the question 'What is EVE?'. There are threads about how hard it is to answer that question because you just can't fit New Eden into an answer that will communicate what's really going on out there. Now apply the same test to any fps and the answer is almost trivial.

So if'n you want to run us outta our own universe, you better bring god's own f'in gun game and more, bub. ;)

Because of the eventual EVE-Dust integration. That's why many EVE players are here. That's why I'm here. I wouldn't have bothered a console FPS if it weren't for the integration. The very mechanics of this game WILL affect the very game that I hold dear. So yes, I give a damn about what happens in Dust. And I'm pretty sure many other Eve players are on the same boat.

You as a Dust only player should care about EVE as well, since it's going to affect your world too. While this game requires FPS skill (once CCP irons it out), Dust will require skills beyond that.

And why should I just stick to EVE only? There's many other great games out there.

Yup, confirming that my countless hours in the BF franchise means squat

Hey guys just ignore Omnipotent. He worships Protoman, basically rides him all day, and its obvious he's a CoD addict. Battlefield takes more skill than many console games, it requires skills in a variety of areas and specializations. $100 says you couldn't fly a jet at all the first time you played.

FPS experience? That's not what you're talking about though is it?

You mean "Console FPS of the specific style I like"

Because if you think you've been playing FPS longer than me then you are wrong. Been here since the start pal. Been playing FPS before consoles existed. I remember Wolfenstein the original, I played Spear of Destiny/Hexen/Heretic/Doom until my eyes bled. Sure you might well be better AT some of them than me amd probably all of them that use the DS3 in particular. But FPS experience in general? If that's all that counts then sit down and strap on your arse-kissing boots sonny, cause on that score there's a LOT of us "EVEtards" who've been gaming and FPS'ing FAR longer than you.

And even then, I'd be happy to defer to you on the FPS mechanics - but you aren't even talking about them anymore are you?
No, you're on here bitching about the MMO elements that make the higher SP players more powerful than the newbs. You're whining about there being too many vehicles in a freaking vehicle test-build, you're whining that KBM is coming because it might affect your E-peen becaue half the "scrubs" you are banking on to pad your KDR are actually pretty damn good at FPS and are crippled by their lack of familiarity with the cruddy DS3. You're the guys bitching that the RE's can be thrown and detonated and that killed the HMG by QQing tooo hard over it. (And by "you" I mean your side of this argument, Consolers and MAGtards)

Sure, come kill me in DUST, you won't be alone in that - and I don't even give a rats shite about dying either. But I sure as hell want the game I'm playiong to be a huge amount more than just another dead-in-6-months-twitch-shooter-MAG/COD/BF3-clone like you "Console" players seem to be demanding. Adter all, you're all going to be gone the moment the next COD clone drops anyway - it'll have more of the Reflex>Skill type twitch stuff you're aftyer anyway.

And I'm willing to bet I've owned a Playstation/Nintendo/Sega/NeoGeo bloody well longer than you have too by the way. Does that mean I'm more of a "console" player than you too? Does it make you want to suck up to my awesome knowledge and help me circle-jerk my E-peen? No? Well I don't give a rats about how "Experienced" you think you are either.