Mechanics in this game are important, but is anyone really arguing over hit detection and better controls? I don't think so. And we've got veteran elite fps'ers giving different answers as to how strafy and fast they want the game to be, so that tells you right there it's a style choice.

The EVE players are here because they're invested in a universe they were part of creating. And it's a universe so rich, deep and complex it absolutely beggars any other universe that has come out of gaming. We're here because we're not going to let anybody **** that up simply because they have no idea of what they've gotten into.

I'm not trying to pick a fight here but try and name one universe that has come out of the fps community that can even begin to compare to New Eden. The answer is simple: there aren't any and there never will be.

Another way to measure that is when veteran EVE players are asked the question 'What is EVE?'. There are threads about how hard it is to answer that question because you just can't fit New Eden into an answer that will communicate what's really going on out there. Now apply the same test to any fps and the answer is almost trivial.

So if'n you want to run us outta our own universe, you better bring god's own f'in gun game and more, bub. ;)

Hey guys just ignore Omnipotent. He worships Protoman, basically rides him all day, and its obvious he's a CoD addict. Battlefield takes more skill than many console games, it requires skills in a variety of areas and specializations. $100 says you couldn't fly a jet at all the first time you played.

Bf takes skill. Dumb argument.

Recoil. Weapon weight. Sniper Bullet Drop. Needing to compensate for movement. More skill than most other games. Also, if you play on PC its much better. Than MAG.








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No, because then it'd end up like every other FPS out there and those games bore the hell out of me.

The reason I'm here is because I like the idea of DUST and I want it to turn out well, because I intend to play it and enjoy it. My EVE account isn't even active right now and I barely play any games on my computer anymore.

What you don't seem to understand is that there are other types of FPSese besides the twitchy arcade-style run 'n' gun FPS. It's not an "EVE players want to ruin my game" thing, it's a "some people want a more thoughtful, tactical game instead of a game that's all about twitch reflexes".

I think the important question is why is someone who wants this game to be just like every other FPS here instead of playing one of those other FPSes?

You're talking about teamwork, and yes, that is invaluable in any team-based game.

I'm talking about gameplay that encourages or requires specific military tactics like flanking, suppression, things like that. You don't see that in most FPSes because they're arcadey run 'n' gun games. They're so far removed from the way real infantry combat works, that real infantry tactics are made meaningless.

This is distinct from "ok, everybody cap A" "they're rushing B, go defend it", which I'm guessing you're talking about. I'm assuming that level of teamwork is present also, although in most pub games it's not.

For example, if you can dodge most incoming fire, then cover is less important. If cover isn't used much, then flanking and suppressing become mostly meaningless.

Look at games like Red Orchestra, the old Rainbow Sixes, and things like that. They play very differently from a mainstream FPS. Maybe you've never played these, since hardcore military realism FPSes are usually on PC.

Now DUST should probably not be at that level of realism, since those are very niche games, but I want DUST to lean in that direction instead of the mainstream run 'n' gun style FPS that certain people on these forums want.

no we do not most of my m8 who play dust which is 10 people at the moment want more than run an gun and that's y we are playing dust every hr that it is on and sum cod wanna be clone

If you guys care nothing for EVE, then why play a game immersed and born out of EVE?

There are dozens of games with pure gun game without all those pesky skills and OP vehicles and everything else. Go play CS or CoD or whatever fits your fancy.

This game is a RPG. A MMO FPS RPG set in the EVE Universe.

FPS experience? That's not what you're talking about though is it?

You mean "Console FPS of the specific style I like"

Because if you think you've been playing FPS longer than me then you are wrong. Been here since the start pal. Been playing FPS before consoles existed. I remember Wolfenstein the original, I played Spear of Destiny/Hexen/Heretic/Doom until my eyes bled. Sure you might well be better AT some of them than me amd probably all of them that use the DS3 in particular. But FPS experience in general? If that's all that counts then sit down and strap on your arse-kissing boots sonny, cause on that score there's a LOT of us "EVEtards" who've been gaming and FPS'ing FAR longer than you.

And even then, I'd be happy to defer to you on the FPS mechanics - but you aren't even talking about them anymore are you?
No, you're on here bitching about the MMO elements that make the higher SP players more powerful than the newbs. You're whining about there being too many vehicles in a freaking vehicle test-build, you're whining that KBM is coming because it might affect your E-peen becaue half the "scrubs" you are banking on to pad your KDR are actually pretty damn good at FPS and are crippled by their lack of familiarity with the cruddy DS3. You're the guys bitching that the RE's can be thrown and detonated and that killed the HMG by QQing tooo hard over it. (And by "you" I mean your side of this argument, Consolers and MAGtards)

Sure, come kill me in DUST, you won't be alone in that - and I don't even give a rats shite about dying either. But I sure as hell want the game I'm playiong to be a huge amount more than just another dead-in-6-months-twitch-shooter-MAG/COD/BF3-clone like you "Console" players seem to be demanding. Adter all, you're all going to be gone the moment the next COD clone drops anyway - it'll have more of the Reflex>Skill type twitch stuff you're aftyer anyway.

And I'm willing to bet I've owned a Playstation/Nintendo/Sega/NeoGeo bloody well longer than you have too by the way. Does that mean I'm more of a "console" player than you too? Does it make you want to suck up to my awesome knowledge and help me circle-jerk my E-peen? No? Well I don't give a rats about how "Experienced" you think you are either.