I do tend to laugh a lot when ever I hear something like this. FPS skill = hipfire and spray bullets all over the place, while running and hopping sideways.

It takes skill alight, not everybody can be that mindless.

Let the players with more fps experience handle how the game mechanics should go though bro.

No, because then it'd end up like every other FPS out there and those games bore the hell out of me.

The reason I'm here is because I like the idea of DUST and I want it to turn out well, because I intend to play it and enjoy it. My EVE account isn't even active right now and I barely play any games on my computer anymore.

What you don't seem to understand is that there are other types of FPSese besides the twitchy arcade-style run 'n' gun FPS. It's not an "EVE players want to ruin my game" thing, it's a "some people want a more thoughtful, tactical game instead of a game that's all about twitch reflexes".

I think the important question is why is someone who wants this game to be just like every other FPS here instead of playing one of those other FPSes?

I don't know why EvE players play this game in the first place. Just stick to your game. Why do you care about the mechanics in this game when you'll just end up playing EvE once CCP makes this game take fps skill again?

There is no difference in being tactical from twitch to non twitch shooters. If you think BF3, COD, or hell even MAG required twitch skills to win over teamwork and playing tactical then you are wrong. Go play one of those games and take part in clan matches and you will see you are absolutely wrong.

I remember a clan in MAG who had a lot of great killers but couldn't win worth a damn in a scrimmages. Going against 17 of them while only having 7 or 8 Valor Flock on which was also a group of killers. We dominated them with half the numbers. Why you ask? We had killers who were equal to the task but lower numbers but we had something called teamwork.

You can't base your experiences on FPS if you've never taken place in clan battles which is completely different then pub stomping. So while you try to make the game more "thoughtful and "tactical" you are hurting the game. That type of play will take place in losec and nullsec anyway making the game to difficult will scare people away from hisec. hisec=pub, lo and null=clan/corp battles.

A team full of unorganized killers will lose in lo and null while a team of organized killers will do great. This game is all one big pub stomp right now let them give us the option to group and watch how different people play then! Grouping is something that should already be in the beta IMO!

Because fps players want a mindless run and gun game.

You're talking about teamwork, and yes, that is invaluable in any team-based game.

I'm talking about gameplay that encourages or requires specific military tactics like flanking, suppression, things like that. You don't see that in most FPSes because they're arcadey run 'n' gun games. They're so far removed from the way real infantry combat works, that real infantry tactics are made meaningless.

This is distinct from "ok, everybody cap A" "they're rushing B, go defend it", which I'm guessing you're talking about. I'm assuming that level of teamwork is present also, although in most pub games it's not.

For example, if you can dodge most incoming fire, then cover is less important. If cover isn't used much, then flanking and suppressing become mostly meaningless.

Look at games like Red Orchestra, the old Rainbow Sixes, and things like that. They play very differently from a mainstream FPS. Maybe you've never played these, since hardcore military realism FPSes are usually on PC.

Now DUST should probably not be at that level of realism, since those are very niche games, but I want DUST to lean in that direction instead of the mainstream run 'n' gun style FPS that certain people on these forums want.

If you're in the dust beta then you're a console player, simple as that. Eve players got invites before the rest of the console rabble, but I think we are around even.

FPS skill= successfully aiming, dodging, weaving, killing, destroying

EvE skill= playing the longest

Because fps players want a mindless run and gun game.

My next prayer from CCP is a integrated RTS in eve for the PC/Mac

no we do not most of my m8 who play dust which is 10 people at the moment want more than run an gun and that's y we are playing dust every hr that it is on and sum cod wanna be clone

When EvE players can aim and shoot, he'll will freeze over. EvE players only defence is on these forums, having their superiority complex's.
@Garr
"We treat each other like Edited, so we'll treat you like **** too"

Something for us all to remember...
Null sec EvE players are Edited and dont understand that 80% of their population live in highsec. 80% of their own community can't be bothered with all the crap that goes with null sec. They just wanna hang out with a few buds, and look at how pretty space is.
The EvE community barely understands itself. (all those references to "carebears?" that's 80% of EvE players. The other 20% are the Edited makin out that they'll be dropping strikes every 2 minutes and laughing because they'll use marauders every game. No-one in EvE likes them either.
How are you planning on gettin Dusters to fight your wars when we hate you? ISK won't do it. Because we can get that in High sec in PvE or in PvP.
So what...1 in 5 EvE players acts like a tit by my calculations.

Gz

Lol please note that these elite console fpsers do not speak for all console players.

Noticing a lot of comments about not playing cod yet you want more gun game,kill streaks,no vehicles and a twitch shooter. If this is what you want please go check out mw3. Your dreams are already a reality and clearly you have read too many butt hurt mw1 pro noob tubing players hating on mw3.

Maps are so small the 'gun game' is insane,vehicles(kill streaks get taken out within a second of being called in) and damn the twitch game is insane(quickscoping,throwing knives and the famous panic knife...nearly forgot the drop shot)

What other console fps game franchise are all you elite console guys playing? You know one that has more than 100 thousand people playing it to even consider yourself the ambassador of console fps gamers? Please tell.

Battlefield 3 maybe? Can't be that with the noob hunter making days and days of leet video. Game is full of tank noobs under the map and fresh meat running the fields.

All the changes you uber players are asking for is going to turn this game into black ops 2.

Please stop.

Yes I have done my time as Soap. +20 days this title on ps3.

More on topic I guess they(CCP) are using eve players because...wait for it... Dust514 is half MMO and eve is an MMO. Get the connection?

Now did I win the cake?

If I judged all MAG/console players solely by posts and mic chat, I'd think the majority of them were moron mouth breathers with Asperger syndrome. Thankfully I've gotten to know a few of them since June and realize most them them are alright.

So CCP must listen to a handful of mag players that we can get the other 20k here and then what. The game dies on console with those numbers. Or has mag started with the daily updates and map packs?

I value FPS player opinions on what makes a decent FPS. Not copy-cat solutions but general ideas and mechanics.

Well Rank, you fit the bill for why I'm fed up of "I don't want CoD" comments. You've written a nice post saying you don't want this or that or for it to be like so&so.
You've not said 1 bloody thing you DO want. Gz. I hope you get a black screen on release. Everything you wanted, but with more colour :D

I just did gie le douche.

Don't make this a mainly fps focused only game. The market is saturated.

Plain and simple enough?

Not sorry for being rude you kill me all the time and are op. I say nerf Tony(does that count as constructive?). I have also played mw3 for more than 20 days and am still covered in filth and rage.

Again you just told me what you dont want. Woot woot (yeah I bothered to read your post after mine where you ask for MMO / RPG bias. Disagree) but this has very little to do with the balance of EvE players to Console gamers.