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Septem Mortuus
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Posted - 2012.08.09 02:52:00 -
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Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:Mafty Navilles Erin wrote:Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:I don't know why EvE players play this game in the first place. Just stick to your game. Why do you care about the mechanics in this game when you'll just end up playing EvE once CCP makes this game take fps skill again? Because of the eventual EVE-Dust integration. That's why many EVE players are here. That's why I'm here. I wouldn't have bothered a console FPS if it weren't for the integration. The very mechanics of this game WILL affect the very game that I hold dear. So yes, I give a damn about what happens in Dust. And I'm pretty sure many other Eve players are on the same boat. You as a Dust only player should care about EVE as well, since it's going to affect your world too. While this game requires FPS skill (once CCP irons it out), Dust will require skills beyond that. And why should I just stick to EVE only? There's many other great games out there. Let the players with more fps experience handle how the game mechanics should go though bro.
FPS experience? That's not what you're talking about though is it?
You mean "Console FPS of the specific style I like"
Because if you think you've been playing FPS longer than me then you are wrong. Been here since the start pal. Been playing FPS before consoles existed. I remember Wolfenstein the original, I played Spear of Destiny/Hexen/Heretic/Doom until my eyes bled. Sure you might well be better AT some of them than me amd probably all of them that use the DS3 in particular. But FPS experience in general? If that's all that counts then sit down and strap on your arse-kissing boots sonny, cause on that score there's a LOT of us "EVEtards" who've been gaming and FPS'ing FAR longer than you.
And even then, I'd be happy to defer to you on the FPS mechanics - but you aren't even talking about them anymore are you?
No, you're on here bitching about the MMO elements that make the higher SP players more powerful than the newbs. You're whining about there being too many vehicles in a freaking vehicle test-build, you're whining that KBM is coming because it might affect your E-peen becaue half the "scrubs" you are banking on to pad your KDR are actually pretty damn good at FPS and are crippled by their lack of familiarity with the cruddy DS3. You're the guys bitching that the RE's can be thrown and detonated and that killed the HMG by QQing tooo hard over it. (And by "you" I mean your side of this argument, Consolers and MAGtards)
Sure, come kill me in DUST, you won't be alone in that - and I don't even give a rats shite about dying either. But I sure as hell want the game I'm playiong to be a huge amount more than just another dead-in-6-months-twitch-shooter-MAG/COD/BF3-clone like you "Console" players seem to be demanding. Adter all, you're all going to be gone the moment the next COD clone drops anyway - it'll have more of the Reflex>Skill type twitch stuff you're aftyer anyway.
And I'm willing to bet I've owned a Playstation/Nintendo/Sega/NeoGeo bloody well longer than you have too by the way. Does that mean I'm more of a "console" player than you too? Does it make you want to suck up to my awesome knowledge and help me circle-jerk my E-peen? No? Well I don't give a rats about how "Experienced" you think you are either. |
Septem Mortuus
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.09 05:48:00 -
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[quote=Omnipotent lilmamaj
I'd like to address some of these...
1. Maybe instead console game I like, console game that takes skill.
2.You state that the people with the higher sp players are more powerful than noobs. This statement in itself is wrong. What makes them noobs? The fact that they are newer to the game. That doesn't mean anything. I can name people who will always be good and destroy at games they just start at. When they start does that make them a noob? Of course it doesn't.
3.A person with fps skill wouldn't need to call in a vehicle. Just saying... I don't like the fact that people who use vehicles boast and consider themselves good at this game.
4.If you want to use KBM go play a computer game this is the ps3. I thought that was quite obvious. Don't know why anyone would want or allow KBM support in a ps3 game.
5.RE's are OP at the moment. There is no indicator as to where they are and they will be OP until spawns are fixed. I don't have a problem with them except when they are used on people who are spawning. I particularly love when an AR player destroys a vehicle and gets like 3 kills with RE's. That's hilarious imho.
7. Us console players are looking for a good strafer that takes skill. Low bullet damage. High speeds. Nothing OP. Overall eliteness.
8. You sound mad please calm down these are forums of a beta.[/quote]
Ok, I'll start with an apology, I picked your comment because it exemplifies a view I find offensive and wanted to have a crack at, not because you in particular are a prime candidate for it. And yeah, I'm a little mad about unrelated issues (Have a major fund transition with a looming deadline) and might possibly be venting some of that frustration on a Beta forum rather than at my workmates.
But I do get bloody offended at the view some of the more vocal Console community seem to have that when I logged into EvE on a friends recommendation that somehow decades of gaming experience dribbled out the back of my head, or that simply because EvE happens to be ONE of the games I play that I don't have experience or routinely play a LOT of FPS games. Whereas I do, I just prefer under normal circumstances to play FPS on my PC (Eyefinity is awesome) and until DUST, my PS3 was pretty well strapped into my GT5 driving rig.
Now onto your handy bullet points (Damn but I wish I'd used them now).
1. Are you contending then that DUST takes no skill? So everyone is as good as each other in here?
I think you're dead wrong there - I get killed by players with more skill even when I'm running better gear and likewise the other way around (although less often obviously!) I would say it's more that it doesn't take exactly the SAME skills as other games, but skill is definitely a major factor. Perhaps you mean that skill isn't the ONLY factor, which you seem to prefer. This isn't the same as the game taking no skill.
2. I disagree. A higher SP toon will, with identical equipment, have higher Shields, Armour, CPU, PG and Damage output unless the higher SP toon has put a LOT of time and ernergy into NOT getting these bonusses, or hasn't spent the points.
And I was using Newb/noob to mean someone new to the game - i.e. has not had the opportunity to gain the same amount of SP as a longer term player. Sure, some of them will come with great skills that will transfer perfectly and will do very well. But they'll still get absolutely destroyed by players of equal skill, but higher SP. (New players ARE Newbs, it's not always aderogatory term, but being newer to the game DOES mean something in EvE and will in DUST)
3. A person with FPS skill wouldn't need to call a vehicle? WTF?
So you're infantry. Good for you. Well done. So fricking what? Wars have vehicles, vehicles have pilots. They are a part of the game. So you like to think you're better than them because you don't "need" vehicles? again, good for you. I'm sure they think they're better than you 'cause they just smoked your infantry butt. Are marine snipers "better" than Airforce fighter pilots because they can shoot whereas the pilot can "only" fly a plane while navigating/fighting/bombing? No, but they are both vital aspects of war.
This is just your personal preference in how you would like others to play against you - I'd like you to use a militia drop-ship and hover in the centre of the map, nice and low, with no gunners. Are you going to? Because, y'know, it would make my game easier. Oh, and if you don't play how I like, can I bag you out and claim you have no skills because you can't hover all wicked 'n' stuff like I can?
Sure, you have good skills as infantry - and I won't knock that. But there's a reason the game has so many roles to fill and it's a bit douchey of you to slag off everyone else who has a different play-style. And also, there's some very good, and very poor vehicle drivers in the game too. Driving a vehicle well takes just as much skill as being a good killer (Infantry will find it hard to tell, but when vehicles go up against vehicles or AV infantry it becomes obvious).
4. If you want a game that's DS3 only - don't join the Beta-test for the only PS3 FPS that's ADVERTISING MKB support and demand it be withdrawn. I thought that would be obvious. I don't know why anyone would demand the removal of a point-of-difference-game-feature solely to protect their own KDR in a FTP game. There are plenty of DS3 only FPS games, why do ALL of them have to be just to please you? I'm a long-term PS3 owner and FPS player and I want it in, the big difference is that I haven't come to MAG and demanded the inclusion of something to benefit ME, but you ARE here demanding it be withdrawn to benefit YOU. Seems selfish, and possibly a little daft - repeat, this feature has been in from the design stage and has been advertised at every major release announcement, the whiners are you who want it REMOVED not those who are waiting for it to come in, as promised. |
Septem Mortuus
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.09 05:48:00 -
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5.RE's are OP at the moment, well, I again disagree - and I'm not even skilled to use them, so I'm not exactly exploiting them. I just don't see the problem with them. Sure, dropping them at the spawn is cheap. But we all know spawning is currently not working as intended and is being fixed. I'm by no means a skilled player and really haven't had the time to be in game a heap, but I can still shoot some **** running at me without a gun, and know enough to get moving at the same time so I don't go pop. Surely you've figured this out by now?
6. The ability to count is not overrated.....
7. So you want COD then. It's over there ---> (j/k You left that WAY open)
DUST takes skill, but it's not a very fast strafer, but again, what you describe is the cookie-cutter FPS (hence the COD remark)
DUST does have low bullet damage overall and nothing is really OP. (The fact that a vehicle lays the smack down on you isn't OP, he brought a bigger gun to your knife-fight and he paid the price to do so.) I don't disagree with the fact it could be faster but what specifically would you like changed? A 20% boost to all suits in the movement speed?
Because again, the impression I'm getting from the "console" fraternity is that DUST would be perfect if it was faster, there were no vehicles or skills and only the Assault suit and Assault rifle were available so everyone would be exactly the same - sure that might be a more scientific way of testing a very narrow set of skills but a game it isn't. It also only suits a very small cadre of "leet" console FPS players who it appears aren't looking for a challenge or a game or some fun, but rather just another set of leaderboards to top, and for them the easiest and fastest way to do that is to try and get DUST to be made as close to the game they did master as possible right down to strafe-speeds and bullet damage. These gamers are the ones I implore CCP to ignore as they'll be the ones leaving first the instant a more "pure" FPS-twitch shooter comes along.
And I'll finish with a question -
What happens if the console-jockeys win, and DUST gets SP's removed, loses the MMO aspect, loses the fitting and becomes very, very similar to say MAG/COD/BF3. What then? What's it's appeal, where's it's niche in the market? What would be the point-of-difference that would allow it to survive where others have become outdated? Because unless CCP can clone COD and give it better graphics on the same system somehow, then they have to innovate and do something new. Obviously this isn't something that our console FPS brothers are used to/want/can cope with. Nonetheless, it's vital to the potential longevity of DUST itself (Again something the Console FPS community don't seem to give a toss about - probably because as stated they'll be dropping it when the new leaderboards (sorry, Game) comes out).
Apologies for text-wall too. |
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