DUST Search - More EVE online players than console fps players?

Septem Mortuus wrote:

Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:

Mafty Navilles Erin wrote:

Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:

I don't know why EvE players play this game in the first place. Just stick to your game. Why do you care about the mechanics in this game when you'll just end up playing EvE once CCP makes this game take fps skill again?

Because of the eventual EVE-Dust integration. That's why many EVE players are here. That's why I'm here. I wouldn't have bothered a console FPS if it weren't for the integration. The very mechanics of this game WILL affect the very game that I hold dear. So yes, I give a damn about what happens in Dust. And I'm pretty sure many other Eve players are on the same boat.

You as a Dust only player should care about EVE as well, since it's going to affect your world too. While this game requires FPS skill (once CCP irons it out), Dust will require skills beyond that.

And why should I just stick to EVE only? There's many other great games out there.

Let the players with more fps experience handle how the game mechanics should go though bro.

FPS experience? That's not what you're talking about though is it?

You mean "Console FPS of the specific style I like"

Because if you think you've been playing FPS longer than me then you are wrong. Been here since the start pal. Been playing FPS before consoles existed. I remember Wolfenstein the original, I played Spear of Destiny/Hexen/Heretic/Doom until my eyes bled. Sure you might well be better AT some of them than me amd probably all of them that use the DS3 in particular. But FPS experience in general? If that's all that counts then sit down and strap on your arse-kissing boots sonny, cause on that score there's a LOT of us "EVEtards" who've been gaming and FPS'ing FAR longer than you.

And even then, I'd be happy to defer to you on the FPS mechanics - but you aren't even talking about them anymore are you?
No, you're on here bitching about the MMO elements that make the higher SP players more powerful than the newbs. You're whining about there being too many vehicles in a freaking vehicle test-build, you're whining that KBM is coming because it might affect your E-peen becaue half the "scrubs" you are banking on to pad your KDR are actually pretty damn good at FPS and are crippled by their lack of familiarity with the cruddy DS3. You're the guys bitching that the RE's can be thrown and detonated and that killed the HMG by QQing tooo hard over it. (And by "you" I mean your side of this argument, Consolers and MAGtards)

Sure, come kill me in DUST, you won't be alone in that - and I don't even give a rats shite about dying either. But I sure as hell want the game I'm playiong to be a huge amount more than just another dead-in-6-months-twitch-shooter-MAG/COD/BF3-clone like you "Console" players seem to be demanding. Adter all, you're all going to be gone the moment the next COD clone drops anyway - it'll have more of the Reflex>Skill type twitch stuff you're aftyer anyway.

And I'm willing to bet I've owned a Playstation/Nintendo/Sega/NeoGeo bloody well longer than you have too by the way. Does that mean I'm more of a "console" player than you too? Does it make you want to suck up to my awesome knowledge and help me circle-jerk my E-peen? No? Well I don't give a rats about how "Experienced" you think you are either.


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Vrain Matari ZionTCD Legacy Rising 404	Posted - 2012.08.07 00:35:00 - [1] - Quote Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: I don't know why EvE players play this game in the first place. Just stick to your game. Why do you care about the mechanics in this game when you'll just end up playing EvE once CCP makes this game take fps skill again? Mechanics in this game are important, but is anyone really arguing over hit detection and better controls? I don't think so. And we've got veteran elite fps'ers giving different answers as to how strafy and fast they want the game to be, so that tells you right there it's a style choice. The EVE players are here because they're invested in a universe they were part of creating. And it's a universe so rich, deep and complex it absolutely beggars any other universe that has come out of gaming. We're here because we're not going to let anybody **** that up simply because they have no idea of what they've gotten into. I'm not trying to pick a fight here but try and name one universe that has come out of the fps community that can even begin to compare to New Eden. The answer is simple: there aren't any and there never will be. Another way to measure that is when veteran EVE players are asked the question 'What is EVE?'. There are threads about how hard it is to answer that question because you just can't fit New Eden into an answer that will communicate what's really going on out there. Now apply the same test to any fps and the answer is almost trivial. So if'n you want to run us outta our own universe, you better bring god's own f'in gun game and more, bub. ;)
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Legacy Rising 404	Posted - 2012.08.07 03:08:00 - [2] - Quote We all know what's required for any kind of progress to be made: both sides gotta call off their dogs, or put 'em down. No excuses. I will say that any group that thinks they're gonna go forum warrior and try and browbeat or bully EVE players is only gonna get one thing out of it: an education. All parties must submit and let the memory wipe for the new build be complete. Doing our part to make this game rock is more important than anybody's e-pride. The future pay-off promises to be sweet, if we can just keep our ** together for six more months. After that, I suppose we can all happily go back to ahole mode.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Legacy Rising 404	Posted - 2012.08.07 22:47:00 - [3] - Quote L1BERT1NE X wrote: Another thread rife with examples of this The 5 cent rhetoric is strong with this bunch. The discussion is not quite at the level of 'How do we build a quality mmorpgfps in the New Eden universe?'
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Legacy Rising 404	Posted - 2012.08.09 05:00:00 - [4] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Reefersmokintaz wrote: I just want to say if someone wants a real "challenge" or show their gun skills, join the damn Military or gun club and PROVE how good your "skills" are instead of touting your epeen over a game... Drives me crazy when someone says "this game takes no skill". Also EVE players want this game to help THEM b/c its THEIR planetary infrastructure under attack.... I mean if you house was under "attack" would you idly sit by and let it get taken over...Didnt think so I prefer the Archery club. Guns are hassle in the UK. But I agree, when I went to the states, I gained a profound enjoyment of improving my grouping. Just like archery but a bit more noisy. I fear that EvE players are more concerned with limiting the effects of Dust on EvE. The whole spy thing has me very frustrated. If Ironbloods numbers are right, there are more "spies" than active Beta testers. I really feel that the majority of EvE posters feel like Dust is a rival corp. One to be broken before it can really get on it's feet. For sure there are EVE players and groups who are concerned - you would be too if you had spent years building something in the face of the most brutal opposition. The way I think about the spy thing is that in war, you bring every tactic and resource to the fight. Information is always primary. And the war started months ago, with maneuvers starting months before that. It's really just peeps taking Sun Tzu seriously. I don't think the goal of these infiltrations is to cripple DUST. If I had to bet I'd say most EVE players are anxious to see New Eden grow. It's just that in wartime, you really want to have agents placed in every government and military possible. If only those agents were the seductive, curvy kind ;)
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Legacy Rising 404	Posted - 2012.08.09 05:05:00 - [5] - Quote Septem Mortuus wrote: Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: Mafty Navilles Erin wrote: Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: I don't know why EvE players play this game in the first place. Just stick to your game. Why do you care about the mechanics in this game when you'll just end up playing EvE once CCP makes this game take fps skill again? Because of the eventual EVE-Dust integration. That's why many EVE players are here. That's why I'm here. I wouldn't have bothered a console FPS if it weren't for the integration. The very mechanics of this game WILL affect the very game that I hold dear. So yes, I give a damn about what happens in Dust. And I'm pretty sure many other Eve players are on the same boat. You as a Dust only player should care about EVE as well, since it's going to affect your world too. While this game requires FPS skill (once CCP irons it out), Dust will require skills beyond that. And why should I just stick to EVE only? There's many other great games out there. Let the players with more fps experience handle how the game mechanics should go though bro. FPS experience? That's not what you're talking about though is it? You mean "Console FPS of the specific style I like" Because if you think you've been playing FPS longer than me then you are wrong. Been here since the start pal. Been playing FPS before consoles existed. I remember Wolfenstein the original, I played Spear of Destiny/Hexen/Heretic/Doom until my eyes bled. Sure you might well be better AT some of them than me amd probably all of them that use the DS3 in particular. But FPS experience in general? If that's all that counts then sit down and strap on your arse-kissing boots sonny, cause on that score there's a LOT of us "EVEtards" who've been gaming and FPS'ing FAR longer than you. And even then, I'd be happy to defer to you on the FPS mechanics - but you aren't even talking about them anymore are you? No, you're on here bitching about the MMO elements that make the higher SP players more powerful than the newbs. You're whining about there being too many vehicles in a freaking vehicle test-build, you're whining that KBM is coming because it might affect your E-peen becaue half the "scrubs" you are banking on to pad your KDR are actually pretty damn good at FPS and are crippled by their lack of familiarity with the cruddy DS3. You're the guys bitching that the RE's can be thrown and detonated and that killed the HMG by QQing tooo hard over it. (And by "you" I mean your side of this argument, Consolers and MAGtards) Sure, come kill me in DUST, you won't be alone in that - and I don't even give a rats shite about dying either. But I sure as hell want the game I'm playiong to be a huge amount more than just another dead-in-6-months-twitch-shooter-MAG/COD/BF3-clone like you "Console" players seem to be demanding. Adter all, you're all going to be gone the moment the next COD clone drops anyway - it'll have more of the Reflex>Skill type twitch stuff you're aftyer anyway. And I'm willing to bet I've owned a Playstation/Nintendo/Sega/NeoGeo bloody well longer than you have too by the way. Does that mean I'm more of a "console" player than you too? Does it make you want to suck up to my awesome knowledge and help me circle-jerk my E-peen? No? Well I don't give a rats about how "Experienced" you think you are either. Well said, Septem Mortuus. I get the feeling that you are a hard man to bulls**t.