Just my opinion but you are saying that you can't tank with a scout suit? Scout suits are the least out of all the suits for tank. Scout suits are eventually gonna have stealth with them too and I feel that will be the majority of your defenses. I would hardly start calling for a nerf on a gun because it easily kills a suit that isn't designed to run and gun. I don't know if you play Eve but the scout suit in my opinion would be the same as a Buzzard or maybe a Manticore. I would do tests with an assault suit and see what you get done with that and make a call. Trying the lowest tank with one of the higest damage guns and then saying it's too strong seems a bit pre-mature to me.

Just my thoughts.

sorry rolyat but I have to agree with takron. I do believe ccp is looking at the breach ar's as a whole ( not saying nerf, just looking into). All the weapons have their downfalls. The standard ar's actually win in terms of dps and clip size so the breach ar isn't everything. The main issue has still been hit detection and the server having an easier time keeping up with the slower RoF weapons.

I keep preaching giving ccp some slack considering this is their first shooter and have a lot to learn when it comes to hit detection and game balance. By the way, they are off to a great start and have made tremendous progress and I believe by q4 will have an awesome product that blows every other fps out of the water. Hopefully...

Seriously should consider making all Prototype weapons and gear high valued.

For a slower rate of fire as its described, its not working like it should be.

In the description, it is said that the slow rof is a penalty for high damage, but as of now, its near impossible to run away from a guy with a Creodron without getting killed.

Omg stop posting stuff like this, i mean think about what this game actually is. Im sorry, i dont mean to be an a**hole but DUST is supposed to be a game that requires a grand amount of time to be able to compete well in. If you think the breach weapons are too strong then put more armor modules on and call it a day. The longer you play=the stronger you can make your character, which=equiping better armor or repair gear=greater chance to survive a gunfight against a Breach weapon.

The range is a little crazy. I was taken out in my Heavy suit from full health and shields while standing on the supports of a building near C's closest Supply Depot. The guy who did it used one of these to down me from right near C itself in two seconds. Heavy suit or no, I barely lived long enough to see who did it. Lag is a possibility, I suppose. Could have been getting shot and all the bullets effectively hit at once. Still, that's quite a bit of range for a non tactical AR.

dude you can put armor modules on a type II or adv. suit all day long, the breach is gonna rip through it like paper. it just Kills Too Fast, even if bullets too slow.

really all we ask is that they take a look at the breach weapons. tweaking? if needed.

problem is the breach rifle accuracy. it is a headshot machine even with hipfire.

if you use the regular rifle for a round then switch to breach then you will see a world of a difference. the regular AR theoretically wins in DPS but in a real fight you will miss most of your shots because of the spread. alot of engagements also happen at mid range where the breach will also easily dominate.

And that's why you spend your skills in the weapon book, Ar proficiency (and even sharpshooter).

Sp is cheap now with the 4x multiplier. Sp spending at launch will mean choices


hipfire accuracy is due to hit detection being off - i presume

Problem with AR isn't the damage IMHO it's their accuracy and range, mainly in that you're better off shooting people with an AR on mid ranges then with a sniper rifle and you'd be surprised on how many times I've died from aimed AR shots from what most would call a "sniping distance".

So AR needs either their range or accuracy reduced, personally I would go for the range unless hit detection gets some more tweaks.