No. Logis sacrifice offensive and defensive capabilities in order to handle more gear and support roles, Logistics are working as intended. Also remember that Militia Suits are trash, and you should upgrade to Standard ASAP.

give them more toys - deployable and otherwise, to play with.

for example - i am a longtime player of the Tribes series, and we had all sorts of things to help the team, from deployable remote sensor units, deployable limited inventory stations, and so on up to the sentry gun turrets that were not very durable, but a very nasty surprise.

Just a thought.

Logi suit could definitely use some kind of buff. I agree that they either need to be faster or have that extra armor.

BTW the type 2 logi suit has movement speed of 5.1 and the sprint is 7.2 if I remember correctly.

This is of course on top of the ability to see down comrades.

Also remember that Militia Suits are trash, and you should upgrade to Standard ASAP.

YouGÇÖre all pretty spot on. The Logistics suit hasnGÇÖt quite found its niche yet, due in small part to stats and in large part to his dependence on having a variety of equipment to use (which just isnGÇÖt there). His strength lies in his versatility, but without the tools to do so heGÇÖs obviously not living up to his full potential. HeGÇÖs not perfect, but much improved in the build weGÇÖre using in the office.

Some things to look forward to in the next update:

• Logistics suits have a 10% bonus to hacking speed. New hacking modules will be available on the market to boost this as well.
• Bumped the Logistics shield up by 10 HP so it has the same max. shield as the Assault and a tiny bump to shield recharge rate. A minor conceit to his fragility. Every little bit helps, after all :P

As for downed victims:

• Victims can no longer suicide immediately. There is a mandatory eight-second delay after which they can choose to suicide. If they choose not to, they can wait for up to 30 seconds for someone with a nanite injector to reach them.
• Victims get a notification when someone with a nanite injector is nearby so that they know help is on the way.
• When fitted with a nanite injector, HUD icons will appear showing you the location of downed friendlies.

Some general notes:

• The repair tools were removed because we felt they were still too clunky and not that fun to use. WeGÇÖre fixing them up and theyGÇÖll be back as soon as possible. The fact that only AUR versions exist on the market was an oversight. They should have all been removed from the market.
• There ARE repair nanohives. Look for any nanohive with the (R) designation in its name. These replenish ammo and repair armor.

YouGÇÖre all pretty spot on. The Logistics suit hasnGÇÖt quite found its niche yet, due in small part to stats and in large part to his dependence on having a variety of equipment to use (which just isnGÇÖt there). His strength lies in his versatility, but without the tools to do so heGÇÖs obviously not living up to his full potential. HeGÇÖs not perfect, but much improved in the build weGÇÖre using in the office.

Some things to look forward to in the next update:

• Logistics suits have a 10% bonus to hacking speed. New hacking modules will be available on the market to boost this as well.
• Bumped the Logistics shield up by 10 HP so it has the same max. shield as the Assault and a tiny bump to shield recharge rate. A minor conceit to his fragility. Every little bit helps, after all :P

As for downed victims:

• Victims can no longer suicide immediately. There is a mandatory eight-second delay after which they can choose to suicide. If they choose not to, they can wait for up to 30 seconds for someone with a nanite injector to reach them.
• Victims get a notification when someone with a nanite injector is nearby so that they know help is on the way.
• When fitted with a nanite injector, HUD icons will appear showing you the location of downed friendlies.

Some general notes:

• The repair tools were removed because we felt they were still too clunky and not that fun to use. WeGÇÖre fixing them up and theyGÇÖll be back as soon as possible. The fact that only AUR versions exist on the market was an oversight. They should have all been removed from the market.
• There ARE repair nanohives. Look for any nanohive with the (R) designation in its name. These replenish ammo and repair armor.

Also keep in mind, when a logi calls in the first player initiated orbital strike...people are gonna cry nerf.

Well they can burn in orbital fire.

Well they can burn in orbital fire.

Well they can burn in orbital fire.

Good Stuff.

As for downed victims:

• Victims can no longer suicide immediately. There is a mandatory eight-second delay after which they can choose to suicide. If they choose not to, they can wait for up to 30 seconds for someone with a nanite injector to reach them.

As for downed victims:

• Victims can no longer suicide immediately. There is a mandatory eight-second delay after which they can choose to suicide. If they choose not to, they can wait for up to 30 seconds for someone with a nanite injector to reach them.
• Victims get a notification when someone with a nanite injector is nearby so that they know help is on the way.
• When fitted with a nanite injector, HUD icons will appear showing you the location of downed friendlies.

Some general notes:

• The repair tools were removed because we felt they were still too clunky and not that fun to use. WeGÇÖre fixing them up and theyGÇÖll be back as soon as possible. The fact that only AUR versions exist on the market was an oversight. They should have all been removed from the market.
• There ARE repair nanohives. Look for any nanohive with the (R) designation in its name. These replenish ammo and repair armor.

Whoa, what? That doesn't sound good at all. I really hope that 8 seconds is not on top of the already mandatory 10-sec respawn timer. 18 second respawn timer is a bit overkill, especially for those players at the bottom of the list. If the mandatory 8 second bleed out time runs concurrently with the 10-sec re-spawn time it still takes longer to spawn now. 2 seconds is not enough time to properly look at the map, and spawn. Any death that annihilates you so there is no revive would be a bonus. A random bonus of having half the re-spawn time (assuming the 2 timers run consecutively.). That is a giant advantage kind of handed out at random.

I could adapt to 18 sec respawn timers, but I usually finish top 3 on my team. I don't know how those in the bottom 3 will feel about doubling the respawn time. And every match needs a last place person.

Also what if there is no logi around? I have to lay and watch the rocks for 8 seconds. That's not fun.

agrred, but it's beta lt it come, lets test it.

The only thing i don't like , is you can still go down with a grenade this will just rpomote that so players don't have to sit around, but that's what great about beta. Maybe if you die an NO ONE is around you can kill yourself sooner?

but yeah all in all, bring it on, we'll test it, and it'll change if it doesn't work.

YouGÇÖre all pretty spot on. The Logistics suit hasnGÇÖt quite found its niche yet, due in small part to stats and in large part to his dependence on having a variety of equipment to use (which just isnGÇÖt there). His strength lies in his versatility, but without the tools to do so heGÇÖs obviously not living up to his full potential. HeGÇÖs not perfect, but much improved in the build weGÇÖre using in the office.

Some things to look forward to in the next update:

• Logistics suits have a 10% bonus to hacking speed. New hacking modules will be available on the market to boost this as well.
• Bumped the Logistics shield up by 10 HP so it has the same max. shield as the Assault and a tiny bump to shield recharge rate. A minor conceit to his fragility. Every little bit helps, after all :P

As for downed victims:

• Victims can no longer suicide immediately. There is a mandatory eight-second delay after which they can choose to suicide. If they choose not to, they can wait for up to 30 seconds for someone with a nanite injector to reach them.
• Victims get a notification when someone with a nanite injector is nearby so that they know help is on the way.
• When fitted with a nanite injector, HUD icons will appear showing you the location of downed friendlies.

Some general notes:

• The repair tools were removed because we felt they were still too clunky and not that fun to use. WeGÇÖre fixing them up and theyGÇÖll be back as soon as possible. The fact that only AUR versions exist on the market was an oversight. They should have all been removed from the market.
• There ARE repair nanohives. Look for any nanohive with the (R) designation in its name. These replenish ammo and repair armor.

As for downed victims:

• Victims can no longer suicide immediately. There is a mandatory eight-second delay after which they can choose to suicide. If they choose not to, they can wait for up to 30 seconds for someone with a nanite injector to reach them.
• Victims get a notification when someone with a nanite injector is nearby so that they know help is on the way.
• When fitted with a nanite injector, HUD icons will appear showing you the location of downed friendlies.

NO to the 8 second delay. Not cool.

Look I understand you want to find a niche or need for logi (people want to be healers) but don't hurt the rest of us so that you can MANUFACTURE A FALSE need for them. Which if you read the idea is really all you did. Instaed of addressing the actual problem of use and game play for logi suits you penalized dying more.

Just from exp with dust so far even if there were active healers on map the majority of the time they would NOT be able to get to you. when you look at the size of the maps and how many players and objectives there are its unfair to assume there will be enough logi to support all areas.

PLEASE go back to the drawing board on this one. Very BAD IDEA.


Right now testing is basically public server play. Logi healing isn't a key part. when we get to corp v corp battles it will be a whole different story.

Give logi versitility and survivability for public play and proper equipment to heal and res in team play. Then and only then will I put you back on my christmas card list.

Time spent downed will be subtracted from your respawn time (there is a minimum 3 second spawn time, though). We've been playing it a lot internally and I don't think we've had a single complaint about the mandatory downtime (I forget the exact duration, but it takes 2-3 seconds just to hit the ground in 1P after death so the extra few seconds don't feel like an eternity).

At any rate, try it out and if you absolutely hate it I'm sure you'll make sure we know

Whoa, what? That doesn't sound good at all. I really hope that 8 seconds is not on top of the already mandatory 10-sec respawn timer. 18 second respawn timer is a bit overkill, especially for those players at the bottom of the list. If the mandatory 8 second bleed out time runs concurrently with the 10-sec re-spawn time it still takes longer to spawn now. 2 seconds is not enough time to properly look at the map, and spawn. Any death that annihilates you so there is no revive would be a bonus. A random bonus of having half the re-spawn time (assuming the 2 timers run consecutively.). That is a giant advantage kind of handed out at random.

I could adapt to 18 sec respawn timers, but I usually finish top 3 on my team. I don't know how those in the bottom 3 will feel about doubling the respawn time. And every match needs a last place person.

Also what if there is no logi around? I have to lay and watch the rocks for 8 seconds. That's not fun.

If i see logi suits spider tanking then i'm outta here, lol.

;)

you will be back once we get ewar (i hope we will oO)

Time spent downed will be subtracted from your respawn time (there is a minimum 3 second spawn time, though). We've been playing it a lot internally and I don't think we've had a single complaint about the mandatory downtime (I forget the exact duration, but it takes 2-3 seconds just to hit the ground in 1P after death so the extra few seconds don't feel like an eternity).

At any rate, try it out and if you absolutely hate it I'm sure you'll make sure we know

YouGÇÖre all pretty spot on. The Logistics suit hasnGÇÖt quite found its niche yet, due in small part to stats and in large part to his dependence on having a variety of equipment to use (which just isnGÇÖt there). His strength lies in his versatility, but without the tools to do so heGÇÖs obviously not living up to his full potential. HeGÇÖs not perfect, but much improved in the build weGÇÖre using in the office.

Some things to look forward to in the next update:

• Logistics suits have a 10% bonus to hacking speed. New hacking modules will be available on the market to boost this as well.
• Bumped the Logistics shield up by 10 HP so it has the same max. shield as the Assault and a tiny bump to shield recharge rate. A minor conceit to his fragility. Every little bit helps, after all :P

As for downed victims:

• Victims can no longer suicide immediately. There is a mandatory eight-second delay after which they can choose to suicide. If they choose not to, they can wait for up to 30 seconds for someone with a nanite injector to reach them.
• Victims get a notification when someone with a nanite injector is nearby so that they know help is on the way.
• When fitted with a nanite injector, HUD icons will appear showing you the location of downed friendlies.

Some general notes:

• The repair tools were removed because we felt they were still too clunky and not that fun to use. WeGÇÖre fixing them up and theyGÇÖll be back as soon as possible. The fact that only AUR versions exist on the market was an oversight. They should have all been removed from the market.
• There ARE repair nanohives. Look for any nanohive with the (R) designation in its name. These replenish ammo and repair armor.

If logis are getting bonus` will other suits get bonus` too ? (Heavy get bonus to forge and HMGs? etc

If you fitted the nanite injector you see the victims lay on ground with an icon.

YouGÇÖre all pretty spot on. The Logistics suit hasnGÇÖt quite found its niche yet, due in small part to stats and in large part to his dependence on having a variety of equipment to use (which just isnGÇÖt there). His strength lies in his versatility, but without the tools to do so heGÇÖs obviously not living up to his full potential. HeGÇÖs not perfect, but much improved in the build weGÇÖre using in the office.

Some things to look forward to in the next update:

• Logistics suits have a 10% bonus to hacking speed. New hacking modules will be available on the market to boost this as well.
• Bumped the Logistics shield up by 10 HP so it has the same max. shield as the Assault and a tiny bump to shield recharge rate. A minor conceit to his fragility. Every little bit helps, after all :P

As for downed victims:

• Victims can no longer suicide immediately. There is a mandatory eight-second delay after which they can choose to suicide. If they choose not to, they can wait for up to 30 seconds for someone with a nanite injector to reach them.
• Victims get a notification when someone with a nanite injector is nearby so that they know help is on the way.
• When fitted with a nanite injector, HUD icons will appear showing you the location of downed friendlies.

Some general notes:

• The repair tools were removed because we felt they were still too clunky and not that fun to use. WeGÇÖre fixing them up and theyGÇÖll be back as soon as possible. The fact that only AUR versions exist on the market was an oversight. They should have all been removed from the market.
• There ARE repair nanohives. Look for any nanohive with the (R) designation in its name. These replenish ammo and repair armor.

he said on the last page that time on the ground counts against your respawn timer. so in effect it only adds a second or 2

you just stare at the map less and stare at the ground more.

oh hell yes, hell ******* yes

YouGÇÖre all pretty spot on. The Logistics suit hasnGÇÖt quite found its niche yet, due in small part to stats and in large part to his dependence on having a variety of equipment to use (which just isnGÇÖt there). His strength lies in his versatility, but without the tools to do so heGÇÖs obviously not living up to his full potential. HeGÇÖs not perfect, but much improved in the build weGÇÖre using in the office.

Some things to look forward to in the next update:

• Logistics suits have a 10% bonus to hacking speed. New hacking modules will be available on the market to boost this as well.
• Bumped the Logistics shield up by 10 HP so it has the same max. shield as the Assault and a tiny bump to shield recharge rate. A minor conceit to his fragility. Every little bit helps, after all :P

As for downed victims:

• Victims can no longer suicide immediately. There is a mandatory eight-second delay after which they can choose to suicide. If they choose not to, they can wait for up to 30 seconds for someone with a nanite injector to reach them.
• Victims get a notification when someone with a nanite injector is nearby so that they know help is on the way.
• When fitted with a nanite injector, HUD icons will appear showing you the location of downed friendlies.

Some general notes:

• The repair tools were removed because we felt they were still too clunky and not that fun to use. WeGÇÖre fixing them up and theyGÇÖll be back as soon as possible. The fact that only AUR versions exist on the market was an oversight. They should have all been removed from the market.
• There ARE repair nanohives. Look for any nanohive with the (R) designation in its name. These replenish ammo and repair armor.

YouGÇÖre all pretty spot on. The Logistics suit hasnGÇÖt quite found its niche yet, due in small part to stats and in large part to his dependence on having a variety of equipment to use (which just isnGÇÖt there). His strength lies in his versatility, but without the tools to do so heGÇÖs obviously not living up to his full potential. HeGÇÖs not perfect, but much improved in the build weGÇÖre using in the office.

Some things to look forward to in the next update:

• Logistics suits have a 10% bonus to hacking speed. New hacking modules will be available on the market to boost this as well.
• Bumped the Logistics shield up by 10 HP so it has the same max. shield as the Assault and a tiny bump to shield recharge rate. A minor conceit to his fragility. Every little bit helps, after all :P

As for downed victims:

• Victims can no longer suicide immediately. There is a mandatory eight-second delay after which they can choose to suicide. If they choose not to, they can wait for up to 30 seconds for someone with a nanite injector to reach them.
• Victims get a notification when someone with a nanite injector is nearby so that they know help is on the way.
• When fitted with a nanite injector, HUD icons will appear showing you the location of downed friendlies.

Some general notes:

• The repair tools were removed because we felt they were still too clunky and not that fun to use. WeGÇÖre fixing them up and theyGÇÖll be back as soon as possible. The fact that only AUR versions exist on the market was an oversight. They should have all been removed from the market.
• There ARE repair nanohives. Look for any nanohive with the (R) designation in its name. These replenish ammo and repair armor.

Also keep in mind, when a logi calls in the first player initiated orbital strike...people are gonna cry nerf.

The only aspect of this I found odd was adding a bonus to hacking terminals to that particular suit. Such a bonus would seem to me to be better served as a Scout bonus, given their supposed role of getting behind enemy lines.

YouGÇÖre all pretty spot on. The Logistics suit hasnGÇÖt quite found its niche yet, due in small part to stats and in large part to his dependence on having a variety of equipment to use (which just isnGÇÖt there). His strength lies in his versatility, but without the tools to do so heGÇÖs obviously not living up to his full potential. HeGÇÖs not perfect, but much improved in the build weGÇÖre using in the office.

Some things to look forward to in the next update:

• Logistics suits have a 10% bonus to hacking speed. New hacking modules will be available on the market to boost this as well.
• Bumped the Logistics shield up by 10 HP so it has the same max. shield as the Assault and a tiny bump to shield recharge rate. A minor conceit to his fragility. Every little bit helps, after all :P

As for downed victims:

• Victims can no longer suicide immediately. There is a mandatory eight-second delay after which they can choose to suicide. If they choose not to, they can wait for up to 30 seconds for someone with a nanite injector to reach them.
• Victims get a notification when someone with a nanite injector is nearby so that they know help is on the way.
• When fitted with a nanite injector, HUD icons will appear showing you the location of downed friendlies.

Some general notes:

• The repair tools were removed because we felt they were still too clunky and not that fun to use. WeGÇÖre fixing them up and theyGÇÖll be back as soon as possible. The fact that only AUR versions exist on the market was an oversight. They should have all been removed from the market.
• There ARE repair nanohives. Look for any nanohive with the (R) designation in its name. These replenish ammo and repair armor.

If anything 8 seconds isn't long enough. Right now there isn't much of a penalty to dying. You can kill a gang of guys and (depending on the spawn location) they could be back causing problems in 30 seconds or less. Even better would be to have a limit to number of respawns per match. These would encourage less kamikaze play and more brain usage.

NO to the 8 second delay. Not cool.

Look I understand you want to find a niche or need for logi (people want to be healers) but don't hurt the rest of us so that you can MANUFACTURE A FALSE need for them. Which if you read the idea is really all you did. Instaed of addressing the actual problem of use and game play for logi suits you penalized dying more.

Just from exp with dust so far even if there were active healers on map the majority of the time they would NOT be able to get to you. when you look at the size of the maps and how many players and objectives there are its unfair to assume there will be enough logi to support all areas.

PLEASE go back to the drawing board on this one. Very BAD IDEA.


Right now testing is basically public server play. Logi healing isn't a key part. when we get to corp v corp battles it will be a whole different story.

Give logi versitility and survivability for public play and proper equipment to heal and res in team play. Then and only then will I put you back on my christmas card list.

Time spent downed will be subtracted from your respawn time (there is a minimum 3 second spawn time, though). We've been playing it a lot internally and I don't think we've had a single complaint about the mandatory downtime (I forget the exact duration, but it takes 2-3 seconds just to hit the ground in 1P after death so the extra few seconds don't feel like an eternity).

At any rate, try it out and if you absolutely hate it I'm sure you'll make sure we know

Since this is the biggest Logi theard

Oh super Devs can we have it that nanite injectors work with out switching your gun out, I've been shoot in the head a few times do to weapon swapping. Have it like when we hack a node just be over the body and hold a button down.

I think it would be nice to know a total re-spawn time. Between an 8 second death, 6-10 second load time, and a 4+ second re-spawn, that is an awful long time to be dead (18-25 seconds). If the load time was no so bad (or counted as your re-spawn time), then I would not have a problem with it. Anything over 15 seconds total is pretty aggravating. The majority of games have a timer that is static. So if you pick a new class and spawn point, you get to wait out the timer. If you do not pick, then the timer still ticks, and you can join instantly when you have decided.

My main issue is that while I am laying there dead, I am not useful, so that 8 seconds is going to be pretty lame. If i am picking my new class after death, I can see the map and what is going on, thus, relay information.

The standard respawn timer is 10 seconds. The 8 second bleedout before death is subtracted from the respawn timer as per normal. So that means that you will spawn exactly 2 seconds after you have selected which fitting, and dropsuit you select. This was covered by a dev earlier in this forum.

I like this guy!!! also great how you guys are communicating.

It was covered that it would not be able to go down to 2 seconds. So it may be 3 or 4.


Edit: I liked your post in another thread, so I just wanted to say my reply was not personal. Just stating what was said.

NO to the 8 second delay. Not cool.

Look I understand you want to find a niche or need for logi (people want to be healers) but don't hurt the rest of us so that you can MANUFACTURE A FALSE need for them. Which if you read the idea is really all you did. Instaed of addressing the actual problem of use and game play for logi suits you penalized dying more.

Just from exp with dust so far even if there were active healers on map the majority of the time they would NOT be able to get to you. when you look at the size of the maps and how many players and objectives there are its unfair to assume there will be enough logi to support all areas.

PLEASE go back to the drawing board on this one. Very BAD IDEA.


Right now testing is basically public server play. Logi healing isn't a key part. when we get to corp v corp battles it will be a whole different story.

Give logi versitility and survivability for public play and proper equipment to heal and res in team play. Then and only then will I put you back on my christmas card list.

It was covered that it would not be able to go down to 2 seconds. So it may be 3 or 4.


Edit: I liked your post in another thread, so I just wanted to say my reply was not personal. Just stating what was said.

No. They don't need any buffs with only one exception: The ability to see who needs to be revived with a nanite injector.

1. They have a lot of available slots to compensate for their lack of firepower.
2. They are meant to assist, not tank or attack. Learn to take cover and stick with a buddy.

That is all.

Ability to see who needs to be revived, and possibly a shout for those in need. 100% agree there needs to be more HUD elements to help us out. It seems like people are really ignoring the cost factor of taking the suicide. I assume there will come a time where people realize that they actually want to avoid bleed outs to save their gear.

Whoa, what? That doesn't sound good at all. I really hope that 8 seconds is not on top of the already mandatory 10-sec respawn timer. 18 second respawn timer is a bit overkill, especially for those players at the bottom of the list. If the mandatory 8 second bleed out time runs concurrently with the 10-sec re-spawn time it still takes longer to spawn now. 2 seconds is not enough time to properly look at the map, and spawn. Any death that annihilates you so there is no revive would be a bonus. A random bonus of having half the re-spawn time (assuming the 2 timers run consecutively.). That is a giant advantage kind of handed out at random.

I could adapt to 18 sec respawn timers, but I usually finish top 3 on my team. I don't know how those in the bottom 3 will feel about doubling the respawn time. And every match needs a last place person.

Also what if there is no logi around? I have to lay and watch the rocks for 8 seconds. That's not fun.

Yes.
They should have movement speed relative to their armor.

So that means either putting their base movement speed somewhere in between a Scout and Assault or putting their base armor somewhere between a Heavy and Assault.

::Bows down in praise::

I have no problem with that. If you would have just said that in the first place i wouldn't have to go back now and add you all back to my christmas card list.

I am big enough merc to admit it when you are not right

YouGÇÖre all pretty spot on. The Logistics suit hasnGÇÖt quite found its niche yet, due in small part to stats and in large part to his dependence on having a variety of equipment to use (which just isnGÇÖt there). His strength lies in his versatility, but without the tools to do so heGÇÖs obviously not living up to his full potential. HeGÇÖs not perfect, but much improved in the build weGÇÖre using in the office.

Some things to look forward to in the next update:

• Logistics suits have a 10% bonus to hacking speed. New hacking modules will be available on the market to boost this as well.
• Bumped the Logistics shield up by 10 HP so it has the same max. shield as the Assault and a tiny bump to shield recharge rate. A minor conceit to his fragility. Every little bit helps, after all :P

As for downed victims:

• Victims can no longer suicide immediately. There is a mandatory eight-second delay after which they can choose to suicide. If they choose not to, they can wait for up to 30 seconds for someone with a nanite injector to reach them.
• Victims get a notification when someone with a nanite injector is nearby so that they know help is on the way.
• When fitted with a nanite injector, HUD icons will appear showing you the location of downed friendlies.

Some general notes:

• The repair tools were removed because we felt they were still too clunky and not that fun to use. WeGÇÖre fixing them up and theyGÇÖll be back as soon as possible. The fact that only AUR versions exist on the market was an oversight. They should have all been removed from the market.
• There ARE repair nanohives. Look for any nanohive with the (R) designation in its name. These replenish ammo and repair armor.

Same amount of SP to be competative. Just you want to spend points on uplinks and hives, putting you behind the curve. I'll be protologi next build I think.