Not trying to be an ahole but no one cares. Caldari is the step child around here, I know that much. I remember CalLogi reigning. Forums moaned, CCP listened, and CalLogi were no more. I remember CalAss being dominant, rinse and repeat. Rail Rifles; rinse and repeat. CalSen; rinse and repeat.

Somebody will tell you some garbage about Cal being long range fighters, which is hilariously stupid when a RR's stability is terrible and the charge up time is long.

Everyone here is primarily Amarr or Gallente.

Don't know about EVE but Caldari suck in Dust

So we gonna act like assault rail rifle and bolt pistol on a Calass not strong as **** right now?

I am Caldari, I fight in Caldari suits with Caldari weapons. But there are weapons which are OP to which Caldari weapons and suits seem to have no answer.

One such weapon is the shotgun. It's not a Caldari weapon, so I don't use it, but what do I use to either counter it or emulate it? There's nothing right? Yes, there's the shotgun, if I were happy enough to use one but as I don't, that's not an option.

No doubt people will think it's ridiculous that I don't just train the shotgun and use it. Well, apart from anything else, I don't like the idea of training FOMT which is basicly what the shotty jumpy scout is. I run Caldari Scout myself, and won't stoop to such ridiculous behaviour.

Perhaps I should basicly accept that what I'm simply saying is this game has become ridiculous. Even in the short time I've been playing, I've seen it degenerate. Now it's just painful. But that's probably a discussion for another thread.

So what is a Caldari fighter to do to counter all these ridiculous tactics? Other than leave, that is...

No one has a counter to the shotgun scout. If it gets the drop on you, 9/10 times you will die. Don't make this an argument that caldari have no way to stop them when the truth is it is hard for everyone to do.

A pure Caldari suit is perfectly capable of dealing with shotguns. Sounds like you need some advice.

Firstly, the Caldari fighting style emphasises range. Therefore it is usually best to try to stay to reasonably open areas or high ground where you can best make use of your range advantage. You may need to accept that other racial gear will have an advantage in CQC combat. That's not to say Caldari can't fight at close range however, both ARRs and BPs are perfectly capable at close range combat.

Tips for dealing with shotgun scouts:
Keep an eye on flanks and rear.
Try to stay in more open areas.
Watch for the blue cloak shimmer.
Stay close to teammates.
Listen for the sound of a shotgun. As soon as you hear one being fired at a teammate retreat and turn around immediately (very important). In many cases you will be able to kill the scout before they escape or before they get any kills.
Carry a nanite injector (Caldari tech) and revive anyone who was victim to the scout attack, effectively nullifying their attempt.
Bolt pistols can often one shot scouts, or certainly two shot them.

Tips for dealing with Myo-jumping:
Most myo users are actually assaults. Myo scouts tend to have very low hp.
Most shotgun assaults can be scanned. Have someone in your team with a scanner and use the intel to intercept the assault before they get into shotgun range.
Again, Myo jumpers are much easier to hit at range, making Caldari gear great for dealing with them. Try to play as a team and defend each other against jumpers from range.

No one has a counter to the shotgun scout. If it gets the drop on you, 9/10 times you will die. Don't make this an argument that caldari have no way to stop them when the truth is it is hard for everyone to do.

Thanks for that. Yes some good points here.

I do listen to shotgun sounds nearby, and have learnt to be wary of them. Yes, more open areas are good for Caldari - I function best at range, ADS on either a RR or SR. Even the ARR sometimes, although that's not so hot with iron sights.

I've just been thinking about counters to shotgun scout and yes, the BP would seem to be that counter. Very high damage for a handgun, and I've used it often on uncloaking next to some hapless person hacking an installation, or better yet, at point blank range on a sniper who doesn't even know I'm there. I run Caldari scout most of the time, so this is par for the course for me.

I'm wondering if it's possible to hit a jumping scout in mid air with the BP. It should be possible to figure out the trajectory and hit them mid flight. I'll just have to practice... :)

As for teams, I don't get to play in squads most of the time, and as a scout I don't get to at all, even if I start the match in a squad. I do believe that fighting as squads in this game is the most effective, but I don't get to do that much. So for me, it's a matter of trying to find counters as a solo fighter.

Thanks for that. Yes some good points here.

I do listen to shotgun sounds nearby, and have learnt to be wary of them. Yes, more open areas are good for Caldari - I function best at range, ADS on either a RR or SR. Even the ARR sometimes, although that's not so hot with iron sights.

I've just been thinking about counters to shotgun scout and yes, the BP would seem to be that counter. Very high damage for a handgun, and I've used it often on uncloaking next to some hapless person hacking an installation, or better yet, at point blank range on a sniper who doesn't even know I'm there. I run Caldari scout most of the time, so this is par for the course for me.

I'm wondering if it's possible to hit a jumping scout in mid air with the BP. It should be possible to figure out the trajectory and hit them mid flight. I'll just have to practice... :)

As for teams, I don't get to play in squads most of the time, and as a scout I don't get to at all, even if I start the match in a squad. I do believe that fighting as squads in this game is the most effective, but I don't get to do that much. So for me, it's a matter of trying to find counters as a solo fighter.

I am Caldari, I fight in Caldari suits with Caldari weapons. But there are weapons which are OP to which Caldari weapons and suits seem to have no answer.

One such weapon is the shotgun. It's not a Caldari weapon, so I don't use it, but what do I use to either counter it or emulate it? There's nothing right? Yes, there's the shotgun, if I were happy enough to use one but as I don't, that's not an option.

No doubt people will think it's ridiculous that I don't just train the shotgun and use it. Well, apart from anything else, I don't like the idea of training FOMT which is basicly what the shotty jumpy scout is. I run Caldari Scout myself, and won't stoop to such ridiculous behaviour.

Perhaps I should basicly accept that what I'm simply saying is this game has become ridiculous. Even in the short time I've been playing, I've seen it degenerate. Now it's just painful. But that's probably a discussion for another thread.

So what is a Caldari fighter to do to counter all these ridiculous tactics? Other than leave, that is...

No one has a counter to the shotgun scout. If it gets the drop on you, 9/10 times you will die, if you have no gun game or situational awareness. Don't make this an argument that caldari have no way to stop them when the truth is it is hard for every scrub to do.

So what is a Caldari fighter to do to counter all these ridiculous tactics? Other than leave, that is...

Ahoy!

Nothing good comes from willingly limiting yourself in any way, not in life and not in any games, not just DUST 514. Having a role-playing outlook on the game is cool, and being loyal to one faction to the point of only using equipment related to that faction is an interesting way of playing, but you sacrifice being versatile in order to do so. This is your choice, you could train any Skills and use any weapons, unlike some other games where race and bloodline or a character class actually limit your choices in game.

Ahoy!

Nothing good comes from willingly limiting yourself in any way, not in life and not in any games, not just DUST 514. Having a role-playing outlook on the game is cool, and being loyal to one faction to the point of only using equipment related to that faction is an interesting way of playing, but you sacrifice being versatile in order to do so. This is your choice, you could train any Skills and use any weapons, unlike some other games where race and bloodline or a character class actually limit your choices in game.

Honestly, anyone playing exclusively with roleplaying limitations shouldn't take part in balance discussions.

Honestly, anyone playing exclusively with roleplaying limitations shouldn't take part in balance discussions.

Ahoy!

Nothing good comes from willingly limiting yourself in any way, not in life and not in any games, not just DUST 514. Having a role-playing outlook on the game is cool, and being loyal to one faction to the point of only using equipment related to that faction is an interesting way of playing, but you sacrifice being versatile in order to do so. This is your choice, you could train any Skills and use any weapons, unlike some other games where race and bloodline or a character class actually limit your choices in game.

So we gonna act like assault rail rifle and bolt pistol on a Calass not strong as **** right now?