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postapo wastelander
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Posted - 2015.11.24 12:52:00 -
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Alena Asakura wrote:I am Caldari, I fight in Caldari suits with Caldari weapons. But there are weapons which are OP to which Caldari weapons and suits seem to have no answer.
One such weapon is the shotgun. It's not a Caldari weapon, so I don't use it, but what do I use to either counter it or emulate it? There's nothing right? Yes, there's the shotgun, if I were happy enough to use one but as I don't, that's not an option.
No doubt people will think it's ridiculous that I don't just train the shotgun and use it. Well, apart from anything else, I don't like the idea of training FOMT which is basicly what the shotty jumpy scout is. I run Caldari Scout myself, and won't stoop to such ridiculous behaviour.
Perhaps I should basicly accept that what I'm simply saying is this game has become ridiculous. Even in the short time I've been playing, I've seen it degenerate. Now it's just painful. But that's probably a discussion for another thread.
So what is a Caldari fighter to do to counter all these ridiculous tactics? Other than leave, that is...
This is not issue of racial weaponary. Shotgun is OP in close range and it is how it should be.
By my observation some tweaking ti range can be fix for this situation.
"Dear Santa i want jackknife pick."
One Scavenging Survivalist
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postapo wastelander
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Posted - 2015.11.24 14:21:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:Ahoy!
Nothing good comes from willingly limiting yourself in any way, not in life and not in any games, not just DUST 514. Having a role-playing outlook on the game is cool, and being loyal to one faction to the point of only using equipment related to that faction is an interesting way of playing, but you sacrifice being versatile in order to do so. This is your choice, you could train any Skills and use any weapons, unlike some other games where race and bloodline or a character class actually limit your choices in game.
To be honest i was same in my matari costume XD Right now i burning my fingers on ASCR it is funny to use their "saint" technology against them
"Dear Santa i want jackknife pick."
One Scavenging Survivalist
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postapo wastelander
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Posted - 2015.11.24 14:35:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Honestly, anyone playing exclusively with roleplaying limitations shouldn't take part in balance discussions.
I do not see that like issue. Main issue is there is still some weapons better than other. And i mean honestly there sould be some global balance. Without it we will still have here FoTM for example. But right now i do not see issue here.
Yes i know shotie is little stronger and i do mean CQC i mean shot from medium range what takes dont half of HP. Range hould be little more shorter from my side of view.
But overal trying to make something like counter mean basicaly make new weapon. Because even breach smg have longer TTK than fully speced shotie.
Overal i do not have issue with this weapon, maybe the combo with damps is in question. What about do something with that?
Just question, you know.
"Dear Santa i want jackknife pick."
One Scavenging Survivalist
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postapo wastelander
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Posted - 2015.11.24 16:51:00 -
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Devadander wrote:A caldari shotgun would be amazing though.
Js
Something what shooting magnetized slugs XD Yup sadly CCP cannot implement any of racial models :(
One minutes for MIA technology :-¦(
Vehicles
1.)weapons 2.)weapons 1.)vehicles 2.)vehicles
Jeez how i want these in game too :((
*Three honorary shots to air
"Dear Santa i want jackknife pick."
One Scavenging Survivalist
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postapo wastelander
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Posted - 2015.11.24 16:59:00 -
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Garcon lyfe wrote:postapo wastelander wrote:Devadander wrote:A caldari shotgun would be amazing though.
Js Something what shooting magnetized slugs XD Yup sadly CCP cannot implement any of racial models :( One minutes for MIA technology :-¦( Vehicles 1.)weapons2.)weapons1.)vehicles2.)vehiclesJeez how i want these in game too :(( *Three honorary shots to air Why do you do this! What dust should have been.....im going to go QQ on the forums about this now
Why? Because i still have in mind how i was exited about new models and how im sad because they do not make it to our release.
Yup im actually pretty sad, but maybe Ratatamans idea about recoloring will be small bandage.
"Dear Santa i want jackknife pick."
One Scavenging Survivalist
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postapo wastelander
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Posted - 2015.11.25 12:55:00 -
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Alena Asakura wrote:Varoth Drac wrote:postapo wastelander wrote:Devadander wrote:A caldari shotgun would be amazing though.
Js Something what shooting magnetized slugs XD Yup sadly CCP cannot implement any of racial models :( One minutes for MIA technology :-¦( Vehicles 1.)weapons2.)weapons1.)vehicles2.)vehiclesJeez how i want these in game too :(( *Three honorary shots to air As awesome as these are, I kind of wish we only had the weapons and suits from beta, and CCP used the extra RAM to make the game work better. And the extra dev time to make the battles more meaningful in a connected war kind of way. Like choosing districts to attack in FW. Persistent wars in PC involving simultaneous battles on different maps, linked in some way. No attack - wait 24 hours, fight an instanced battle bs. More EVE connection. That kind of thing. Yep. Put me in the same category. I was really excited when we were going to get Walking In Stations which was going to be part of the connection between Dust and EvE. Instead we got Captain's Quarters, which basicly add exactly nothing to the game that wasn't already there. In fact, many people can't even go to Captain's Quarters because it's so heavy on graphics processing. And then the connection never happened. Yes, there were orbital strikes. But where were the options to transport mercs around New Eden from conflict to conflict? Instead we get these stylised unrealistic battles. I had no idea what I was getting myself into when I started playing during the Beta, and then I stopped, which I now think was a really bad move. From what I can see I would have enjoyed it a lot more than Dust as it is now!
Merc quarters yup, i honestly agree why we need something like 10x10x4 flat. That space can be used for something else.
"Im the Eater of the Fish and Mushroom."
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postapo wastelander
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Posted - 2015.11.25 12:57:00 -
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Alena Asakura wrote:Varoth Drac wrote:What you're missing is that the shotgun isn't OP.
A rail rifle has 19 times the optimal range of a shotgun. What do you think happens when you shoot a shotgun scout with a rail rifle outside of 15m? Either it takes cover immediately (assuming there's cover there) or it dies. Simple as that. What is the counter to a rail rifle 75m away if you are using a shotgun?
If we are talking about racial gear, what is the Gallente counter to a sniper 350m away? Sniper rifles are Caldari weapons.
It would be just as easy to claim the rail rifle's range is OP as it is to claim the shotgun's damage is. But that's missing the point.
There doesn't need to be direct parallel racial weapons, as different races are meant to use different strategies to fight each other. You don't need a Caldari shotgun, as Caldari are supposed to kill the shotgunner from outside shotgun range.
Also, nova knives are Caldari. Read the description, look at the design. Proto knives are developed by Ishikone. This thread was principally about how to deal with shotguns which ARE OP at extreme short range. Rail rifles can't do anything about a shotgun when they're right on you. The only weapon I run that can counter a shotty scout appears to be the bolt pistol. Ishukone developing the nova knives means nothing - they copy everything in sight! :) But seriously, if nova knives were Caldari tech, where are the suits with bonuses for them?
By design they are caldari, but need to say every race had planed they version long time ago. Sadly again, no ram.
"Im the Eater of the Fish and Mushroom."
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