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Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game 2	Posted - 2015.11.24 15:48:00 - [31] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: So we gonna act like assault rail rifle and bolt pistol on a Calass not strong as ** right now? i disagree i feel rather that the cal suits hard counter amar suits have fallen off and made them seem op when in reality they are not. in fact amar still outshine caldari when it comes to ranged performance due to the rr kick ccp over nerfed the rr..not the arr...the rr its cqc strength is what needed a nerf kinda like how the scr's cqc strength needed a nerf... and with both ccp has over done it to say the least...lr out shines rr in every way...but it not really op..because its prime weakness is cqc...thats how the rr should be but ccp ** it up just like they **** up the scr i never was a big scr use or ascr user...thus i haven't noticed the caldari anything becoming op or the minmatar for that matter ... now bar galass...thats a whole nother matter but i digress The RR has almost no kick in ads. It was it's hip fire kick that was nerfed quite a long time ago. I find the laser and RR reasonably balanced at range. Laser is more powerful, but must be preheated and spends a lot of time reloading. I'd rather have a RR in close combat than a laser rifle. RRs are better than ScRs at range due to the ScRs kick and overheat. ScRs are good at close range however.
Echo 1991 Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.11.24 15:49:00 - [32] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: So we gonna act like assault rail rifle and bolt pistol on a Calass not strong as ** right now? i disagree i feel rather that the cal suits hard counter amar suits have fallen off and made them seem op when in reality they are not. in fact amar still outshine caldari when it comes to ranged performance due to the rr kick ccp over nerfed the rr..not the arr...the rr its cqc strength is what needed a nerf kinda like how the scr's cqc strength needed a nerf... and with both ccp has over done it to say the least...lr out shines rr in every way...but it not really op..because its prime weakness is cqc...thats how the rr should be but ccp ** it up just like they **** up the scr i never was a big scr use or ascr user...thus i haven't noticed the caldari anything becoming op or the minmatar for that matter ... now bar galass...thats a whole nother matter but i digress How is kick a problem when you ads, and it gets reduced by 25%? Also don't compare a laser rifle to a RR, they operate completely different and have different ranges. Wanna play eve?
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 1	Posted - 2015.11.24 15:52:00 - [33] - Quote A caldari shotgun would be amazing though. Js Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Echo 1991 Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.11.24 15:54:00 - [34] - Quote Devadander wrote: A caldari shotgun would be amazing though. Js I'd take a charge rail shotgun, similar to the charge Sniper but a shotgun Wanna play eve?
DEATH THE KlD Imperfect - Bastards 886	Posted - 2015.11.24 16:07:00 - [35] - Quote Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: So we gonna act like assault rail rifle and bolt pistol on a Calass not strong as **** right now? They always have been but the community was to busy chasing fotm to notice CEO of Imperfect Bastards and NF -Heimdallr69 Steam - Heimpai
Tebu Gan Capital Acquisitions LLC 1	Posted - 2015.11.24 16:28:00 - [36] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: Ahoy! Nothing good comes from willingly limiting yourself in any way, not in life and not in any games, not just DUST 514. Having a role-playing outlook on the game is cool, and being loyal to one faction to the point of only using equipment related to that faction is an interesting way of playing, but you sacrifice being versatile in order to do so. This is your choice, you could train any Skills and use any weapons, unlike some other games where race and bloodline or a character class actually limit your choices in game. You know, Rattati made posts much like these before he got his own blue tag...
Garcon lyfe G.R.A.V.E The Ditanian Alliance 114	Posted - 2015.11.24 16:43:00 - [37] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: Not trying to be an ahole but no one cares. Caldari is the step child around here, I know that much. I remember CalLogi reigning. Forums moaned, CCP listened, and CalLogi were no more. I remember CalAss being dominant, rinse and repeat. Rail Rifles; rinse and repeat. CalSen; rinse and repeat. Somebody will tell you some garbage about Cal being long range fighters, which is hilariously stupid when a RR's stability is terrible and the charge up time is long. Everyone here is primarily Amarr or Gallente. Don't know about EVE but Caldari suck in Dust Yea got to ruin your 999 likes! Im a winner! GTC (Galactic Trade Center) The last trading site you will need! http://www.dust514gtc.enjin.com
postapo wastelander Corrosive Synergy 1	Posted - 2015.11.24 16:51:00 - [38] - Quote Devadander wrote: A caldari shotgun would be amazing though. Js Something what shooting magnetized slugs XD Yup sadly CCP cannot implement any of racial models :( One minutes for MIA technology :-¦( Vehicles 1.)weapons 2.)weapons 1.)vehicles 2.)vehicles Jeez how i want these in game too :(( Three honorary shots to air "Dear Santa i want jackknife pick."* `One Scavenging Survivalist`
Garcon lyfe G.R.A.V.E The Ditanian Alliance 114	Posted - 2015.11.24 16:55:00 - [39] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: Devadander wrote: A caldari shotgun would be amazing though. Js Something what shooting magnetized slugs XD Yup sadly CCP cannot implement any of racial models :( One minutes for MIA technology :-¦( Vehicles 1.)weapons 2.)weapons 1.)vehicles 2.)vehicles Jeez how i want these in game too :(( *Three honorary shots to air Why do you do this! What dust should have been.....im going to go QQ on the forums about this now GTC (Galactic Trade Center) The last trading site you will need! http://www.dust514gtc.enjin.com
postapo wastelander Corrosive Synergy 1	Posted - 2015.11.24 16:59:00 - [40] - Quote Garcon lyfe wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: Devadander wrote: A caldari shotgun would be amazing though. Js Something what shooting magnetized slugs XD Yup sadly CCP cannot implement any of racial models :( One minutes for MIA technology :-¦( Vehicles 1.)weapons 2.)weapons 1.)vehicles 2.)vehicles Jeez how i want these in game too :(( Three honorary shots to air Why do you do this! What dust should have been.....im going to go QQ on the forums about this now Why? Because i still have in mind how i was exited about new models and how im sad because they do not make it to our release. Yup im actually pretty sad, but maybe Ratatamans idea about recoloring will be small bandage. "Dear Santa i want jackknife pick."* `One Scavenging Survivalist`

Mortedeamor The Black Masquerade 2	Posted - 2015.11.24 17:17:00 - [41] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: So we gonna act like assault rail rifle and bolt pistol on a Calass not strong as ** right now? i disagree i feel rather that the cal suits hard counter amar suits have fallen off and made them seem op when in reality they are not. in fact amar still outshine caldari when it comes to ranged performance due to the rr kick ccp over nerfed the rr..not the arr...the rr its cqc strength is what needed a nerf kinda like how the scr's cqc strength needed a nerf... and with both ccp has over done it to say the least...lr out shines rr in every way...but it not really op..because its prime weakness is cqc...thats how the rr should be but ccp ** it up just like they **** up the scr i never was a big scr use or ascr user...thus i haven't noticed the caldari anything becoming op or the minmatar for that matter ... now bar galass...thats a whole nother matter but i digress The RR has almost no kick in ads. It was it's hip fire kick that was nerfed quite a long time ago. I find the laser and RR reasonably balanced at range. Laser is more powerful, but must be preheated and spends a lot of time reloading. I'd rather have a RR in close combat than a laser rifle. RRs are better than ScRs at range due to the ScRs kick and overheat. ScRs are good at close range however. it does not have to be preheated,,,,its far stronger than rr ONE UNIVERSE ONE WAR ONE MOTHER kitten GOD kitten SYSTEM PORTDUST514
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game 2	Posted - 2015.11.24 17:17:00 - [42] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: Devadander wrote: A caldari shotgun would be amazing though. Js Something what shooting magnetized slugs XD Yup sadly CCP cannot implement any of racial models :( One minutes for MIA technology :-¦( Vehicles 1.)weapons 2.)weapons 1.)vehicles 2.)vehicles Jeez how i want these in game too :(( *Three honorary shots to air As awesome as these are, I kind of wish we only had the weapons and suits from beta, and CCP used the extra RAM to make the game work better.
Mortedeamor The Black Masquerade 2	Posted - 2015.11.24 17:18:00 - [43] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: So we gonna act like assault rail rifle and bolt pistol on a Calass not strong as ** right now? i disagree i feel rather that the cal suits hard counter amar suits have fallen off and made them seem op when in reality they are not. in fact amar still outshine caldari when it comes to ranged performance due to the rr kick ccp over nerfed the rr..not the arr...the rr its cqc strength is what needed a nerf kinda like how the scr's cqc strength needed a nerf... and with both ccp has over done it to say the least...lr out shines rr in every way...but it not really op..because its prime weakness is cqc...thats how the rr should be but ccp ** it up just like they ** up the scr i never was a big scr use or ascr user...thus i haven't noticed the caldari anything becoming op or the minmatar for that matter ... now bar galass...thats a whole nother matter but i digress How is kick a problem when you ads, and it gets reduced by 25%? Also don't compare a laser rifle to a RR, they operate completely different and have different ranges. rr seem completely ****** to lr...most rr users fail to even challenge me and then when i try it out i see why its so bad at range lol ONE UNIVERSE ONE WAR ONE MOTHER kitten GOD kitten SYSTEM PORTDUST514
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game 2	Posted - 2015.11.24 17:27:00 - [44] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: it does not have to be preheated,,,,its far stronger than rr Laser rifle base dps = 212.5 Rail rifle base dps = 361.5 I'm not saying the laser is bad, but both the rail rifle and the laser rifle are excellent ranged weapons.
Garcon lyfe G.R.A.V.E The Ditanian Alliance 115	Posted - 2015.11.24 17:29:00 - [45] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: it does not have to be preheated,,,,its far stronger than rr Laser rifle base dps = 212.5 Rail rifle base dps = 361.5 I'm not saying the laser is bad, but both the rail rifle and the laser rifle are excellent ranged weapons. Lr can kill multiple targets to ^^ But RR is awesome Praise them both! GTC (Galactic Trade Center) The last trading site you will need! http://www.dust514gtc.enjin.com
Summa Militum Abstract Requiem 1	Posted - 2015.11.24 17:48:00 - [46] - Quote Use Precision Enhancer Modules and pay close attention to your tacnet.
Her Nibs G0DS AM0NG MEN 214	Posted - 2015.11.24 18:08:00 - [47] - Quote A mass driver makes scouts fly really good. Fear can only leads to curiosity
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 1	Posted - 2015.11.24 18:12:00 - [48] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Devadander wrote: A caldari shotgun would be amazing though. Js I'd take a charge rail shotgun, similar to the charge Sniper but a shotgun I had thought about a long spool with a hard hit. But yours is better xD Caldari shotgun would have to perform like a slug shooter though. Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Lightning35 Delta514 The Warlords Legion 2	Posted - 2015.11.24 18:16:00 - [49] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: Ahoy! Nothing good comes from willingly limiting yourself in any way, not in life and not in any games, not just DUST 514. Having a role-playing outlook on the game is cool, and being loyal to one faction to the point of only using equipment related to that faction is an interesting way of playing, but you sacrifice being versatile in order to do so. This is your choice, you could train any Skills and use any weapons, unlike some other games where race and bloodline or a character class actually limit your choices in game. he3s right. take a look at me. im only skilled into gallente stuff. while you have problems with shotguns, i have problems wit rails at range outside of my ar range. open maps are not good for me, the same way closed maps arent good for you. its all racially balanced tbh to a certain point. CEO of T-W-L Gallente Loyalist GALLENTE!!! FREEDOM!!! QUAFE!!!
CELESTA AUNGM Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 730	Posted - 2015.11.24 18:21:00 - [50] - Quote LOL!! My point has been proven with all this posting after mine. ....Still stuck on "your gun" "Gun-DPS" "Gun-Derp" as the solution. MUST be the solution...." ....Oh, well.... Happy Thanksgiving. Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne... No story can have life without writers and publishers.

Devadander Woodgrain Atari 1	Posted - 2015.11.24 18:27:00 - [51] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: GM Archduke wrote: Ahoy! Nothing good comes from willingly limiting yourself in any way, not in life and not in any games, not just DUST 514. Having a role-playing outlook on the game is cool, and being loyal to one faction to the point of only using equipment related to that faction is an interesting way of playing, but you sacrifice being versatile in order to do so. This is your choice, you could train any Skills and use any weapons, unlike some other games where race and bloodline or a character class actually limit your choices in game. he3s right. take a look at me. im only skilled into gallente stuff. while you have problems with shotguns, i have problems wit rails at range outside of my ar range. open maps are not good for me, the same way closed maps arent good for you. its all racially balanced tbh to a certain point. Ive been caldari since caldari caldaried.... Once i broke 60m sp though, i started to dabble in dopples. I could infight in a caldari.. Or I could bust out the galass. I can run fast in a caldari.. A minass runs faster. I try to stand and deliver in my caldari.. But amass actually delivers like Jimmy Johns. Just like I could fail trying with all those suits to kill people at 70+ meters (barring the lazor and sniper of course) A mechanic will tell you: use the right tool for the right job. Start with amarr, as an rp fan it was easy due to alliance. Then I got into the whole 'using enemy tech against the maker' kick. holds out a plate of cookies Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Vicious Minotaur 3	Posted - 2015.11.24 18:44:00 - [52] - Quote The real problem[s] with racial weapons are: 1) Lack of racial variants. No Assault Plasma Cannon. No Tactical Rail Rifle. No Assault Bolt Pistol... 2) Lack of racial weapon types. Were the Amarr AV weapon at? Or the Minmatar Sniper? Oh, that's right, NOWHERE! 3) Lack of consistency. Why the Assault HMG functions like a Breach weapon? 4) Lack of balance. Why the Assault Forge Gun render near-obsolete the other two Forge Gun variants? Minotaur Master Race Violently penetrating you since ca 84 BCE. ( -í° -£-û -í°)
Cesar Geronimo DUST University Ivy League 167	Posted - 2015.11.24 19:45:00 - [53] - Quote Alena Asakura wrote: I am Caldari, I fight in Caldari suits with Caldari weapons. But there are weapons which are OP to which Caldari weapons and suits seem to have no answer. One such weapon is the shotgun. It's not a Caldari weapon, so I don't use it, but what do I use to either counter it or emulate it? There's nothing right? Yes, there's the shotgun, if I were happy enough to use one but as I don't, that's not an option. No doubt people will think it's ridiculous that I don't just train the shotgun and use it. Well, apart from anything else, I don't like the idea of training FOMT which is basicly what the shotty jumpy scout is. I run Caldari Scout myself, and won't stoop to such ridiculous behaviour. Perhaps I should basicly accept that what I'm simply saying is this game has become ridiculous. Even in the short time I've been playing, I've seen it degenerate. Now it's just painful. But that's probably a discussion for another thread. So what is a Caldari fighter to do to counter all these ridiculous tactics? Other than leave, that is... Even though you're Caldari scum I'll give you eight points out of a possible ten for the trolling
DeathwindRising Th3.Immortals 1	Posted - 2015.11.24 20:27:00 - [54] - Quote Stormblade Green wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: No one has a counter to the shotgun scout. If it gets the drop on you, 9/10 times you will die. Don't make this an argument that caldari have no way to stop them when the truth is it is hard for everyone to do. The voice of reason!!!! theres a counter. open terrain. scouts hate open terrain with limited cover. you can spot them cloaked fairly easily. use a LAV for mobile cover and you good to go as long as you keep checking your surroundings. scouts WILL attempt to come after you
DeathwindRising Th3.Immortals 1	Posted - 2015.11.24 20:29:00 - [55] - Quote can we get the rest of the weapon variants? i want a tactical rail rifle
Radiant Pancake3 2	Posted - 2015.11.24 20:35:00 - [56] - Quote Sini Cetha wrote: I usually just shoot them with my tank... Well aren't you just dandy? "Pancake is a corp hopping forum troll, that's his excuse." - bane sieg Min Loyalist
korrah silain True Illuminate 173	Posted - 2015.11.24 22:16:00 - [57] - Quote Alena Asakura wrote: I am Caldari, I fight in Caldari suits with Caldari weapons. But there are weapons which are OP to which Caldari weapons and suits seem to have no answer. One such weapon is the shotgun. It's not a Caldari weapon, so I don't use it, but what do I use to either counter it or emulate it? There's nothing right? Yes, there's the shotgun, if I were happy enough to use one but as I don't, that's not an option. No doubt people will think it's ridiculous that I don't just train the shotgun and use it. Well, apart from anything else, I don't like the idea of training FOMT which is basicly what the shotty jumpy scout is. I run Caldari Scout myself, and won't stoop to such ridiculous behaviour. Perhaps I should basicly accept that what I'm simply saying is this game has become ridiculous. Even in the short time I've been playing, I've seen it degenerate. Now it's just painful. But that's probably a discussion for another thread. So what is a Caldari fighter to do to counter all these ridiculous tactics? Other than leave, that is... The problem here is that you are using scouts inappropproblem. due to a scouts low armor, and ewar advantages, and speed it lends itself to a quick strike style of play. This only really works if you chose a weapon with high alpha to allow for decisive first strikes. Opening up with any rifle simply doesn't work well within the paradigm because doing so gives the opponent enough time to put you down in two shots. Unfortunately the only weapons with such capabilities are the shotgun, and nova knives. In other words this isn't a racial weapon problem, its a problem with you trying to run scouts with assault combat doctrine. If you want to counter shotgunners invest in ewar, and an arr on a logi, or assault. you ever get to that point where you know you should sleep, but ya just...dont? yeah...me too.
Union118 TH3 STRUGGL3 989	Posted - 2015.11.24 22:20:00 - [58] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: Ahoy! Nothing good comes from willingly limiting yourself in any way, not in life and not in any games, not just DUST 514. Having a role-playing outlook on the game is cool, and being loyal to one faction to the point of only using equipment related to that faction is an interesting way of playing, but you sacrifice being versatile in order to do so. This is your choice, you could train any Skills and use any weapons, unlike some other games where race and bloodline or a character class actually limit your choices in game. Counseling sessions with Duke. Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 18	Posted - 2015.11.24 22:28:00 - [59] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: Nothing good comes from willingly limiting yourself in any way, not in life and not in any games, not just DUST 514. Monogamy's for the birds. Dropsuit Usage Rates
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 18	Posted - 2015.11.24 22:29:00 - [60] - Quote korrah silain wrote: [scouts] and ewar advantages lol. ewar scouts are OP. Dropsuit Usage Rates



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