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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.07.15 17:36:00 -
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Glad to see I'm not the only one speaking out against campaigners and lacking faith in a CPM to actually benefit the game, Viktor Hadah makes a great post about some of the flaws with peoples ideals as they look toward gaining that position and it is something the playerbase should give extra thought before we spend another year wondering if the CPM has any intention on managing anything other than discussion when we nned players who stirve to make content representing Dust514 to CCP
Some may agree/disagree with encouraging votes but I barely know the mercs I'd suggest for CPM so I will just try to offer an unbiased opinion on those putting their names forward, hopefully this can be a constructive thread about who has what's needed and what they truly offer the playerbase in terms of hearing our views and adding content to Dust514.
- If a candidate offers nothing but the sound of their own words they are a poor choice. - A level of diplomacy is required for CPM, but that should not discourage anyone, focus on the game should be 1st - Dust needs the communtiy to stive to make the content, the door between CCP/Players is the CPM, they should lead this
From what I have seen (will update if potential candidates wish to state their intentions)
- Solid Candidates. Cross - Sound logic, welcoming in opening discussions a good speaker for the CPM Kevall - Leading the most well known corp backing NPE, providing feedback of that is essential Talos - Good idea's reminds me of the old days when dreamers still lurked the forums, CCP need that creativity
- Ones to consider Pokey - Another solid speaker and a good critic for both the community and CCP Breakin' Stuff - So many have claimed to try and be fixin' stuff I think it's time we tried something else Zaria - Experience at the end-game levels and amongst the best players in game
From the names mentioned I would still like to see more community activity IN-GAME, but they are all worthy of it if they dedicate to the task at hand and increase content for all mercenaries on Dust514 an our immersion with EVE. To any I have left out, actions speak louder than words. We need CPM to be more than a talkshow for what could have been.
My opinion means little in this, I am trying to communicate for those who play the game for what it is, and make the most of the content we have on offer. I'm happy to discuss this or add further explanations to my opinions.
Good luck to those hopeful of a CPM seat, just remember to get off your ass once in a while . 07 |
Mclovin619
95
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Posted - 2015.07.15 17:39:00 -
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...alright i feel you, I didn't even wanna get named its cool
:( :(
I'm not the CPBM that you need or want, But the one you deserve.
McLovin for CPBM2
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DeadlyAztec11
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
8
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Posted - 2015.07.15 17:41:00 -
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I wish KAGEHOSHI would run. He's the only person I would vote for.
Put your flags up in the sky.
And wave them side to side.
Show the world where you're from.
Show the world we are one.
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.07.15 17:42:00 -
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Mclovin619 wrote:...alright i feel you, I didn't even wanna get named its cool
:( :(
There is creating content.. and there is making a mess. You may need to review your campaign plans xxx |
Mclovin619
95
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Posted - 2015.07.15 17:43:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Mclovin619 wrote:...alright i feel you, I didn't even wanna get named its cool
:( :( There is creating content.. and there is making a mess. You may need to review your campaign plans xxx
Give me 1 bad thing about my campaign....I promote 50 shades of love and i gave you an insight on the future of dust gameplay
I'm not the CPBM that you need or want, But the one you deserve.
McLovin for CPBM2
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.07.15 17:44:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I wish KAGEHOSHI would run. He's the only person I would vote for.
Same line as Talos, KAGEHOSI would add creativity that is lacking. Though I think Talos will be more concerned with the little details that make gameplay more immersive and rewarding which is bread and butter for a Dust merc |
Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
11
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Posted - 2015.07.15 17:45:00 -
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I'm a bit confused how Pokey is not on the Solid Candidate list if Talos and Kevall are there.
Sgt Kirk's Official Propaganda Youtube Channel
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.07.15 17:45:00 -
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Mclovin619 wrote:TheD1CK wrote:Mclovin619 wrote:...alright i feel you, I didn't even wanna get named its cool
:( :( There is creating content.. and there is making a mess. You may need to review your campaign plans xxx Give me 1 bad thing about my campaign....I promote 50 shades of love and i gave you an insight on the future of dust gameplay
Well for a start.. I have not read you campaign, the stage is yours, why should I vote for you ?
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Mclovin619
95
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Posted - 2015.07.15 17:46:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:I'm a bit confused how Pokey is not on the Solid Candidate list if Talos and Kevall are there.
can you stop being a loser on the fourms 24/7 and go outside champ?
I'm not the CPBM that you need or want, But the one you deserve.
McLovin for CPBM2
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.07.15 17:47:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:I'm a bit confused how Pokey is not on the Solid Candidate list if Talos and Kevall are there.
I see activity from Cross+Talos often in battles, not so much from Pokey though he has good views and if he took on management of CPM could be a great asset. Mt main focus is gameplay activity and how CPM can benefit this.
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
11
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Posted - 2015.07.15 17:50:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:I'm a bit confused how Pokey is not on the Solid Candidate list if Talos and Kevall are there. I see activity from Cross+Talos+Kevall often in battles, not so much from Pokey though he has good views and if he took on management of CPM could be a great asset. My main focus is gameplay activity and how CPM can benefit this. Ah, I can see that.
Sgt Kirk's Official Propaganda Youtube Channel
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
11
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Posted - 2015.07.15 17:51:00 -
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Mclovin619 wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:I'm a bit confused how Pokey is not on the Solid Candidate list if Talos and Kevall are there. can you stop being a loser on the fourms 24/7 and go outside champ? Between the forums and playing the game I dont go outside!
Hissssssss
Sgt Kirk's Official Propaganda Youtube Channel
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Mclovin619
95
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Posted - 2015.07.15 17:53:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Mclovin619 wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:I'm a bit confused how Pokey is not on the Solid Candidate list if Talos and Kevall are there. can you stop being a loser on the fourms 24/7 and go outside champ? Between the forums and playing the game I dont go outside! Hissssssss
tunnel snakes suck ****, but if i can confirm your vote i'll do more then suck your ****...a lot more
I'm not the CPBM that you need or want, But the one you deserve.
McLovin for CPBM2
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.07.15 17:54:00 -
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I would be interested to hear from some candidates about how they would earn my vote.. apart from being the voice for the community, what are they going to do for it?? This is not RL politics, I expect your boots to be as dirty as ours on the ground.
So in regards to what I think a CPM should aim for, how will canidates provide this? |
Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD RUST415
992
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Posted - 2015.07.15 18:19:00 -
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I'll vote for anyone looking out for the little guy in dust' early beginning and small corner corps! Adding things to the game is nice, but if no one is here to play it, adding new things is for lulz?!
If we can, and yes we can, get new or lower level players more engaged in all aspects of gameplay, from trading, PC, etc., we can then begin adding content.... slowly.
However, the new playerbase, or rookie playerbase, must feel that even at lower tiers of gear and experience they have a shot if they use of teamwork. I think we can accomplish this by focusing more on rewards for hard work!
Higher isk and LP payout, not so noticeable that everyone gets rich, but a small percent at a time. No player on any pub team should be under paid for such an obvious team carry when the matchmaker fails him?! The amount of isk put out should never go unrewarded.
While PC, as a whole, is still being looked at. The CPM should be taking advantage of the situation, and pushing ideas to make that struggle worth it for even the smallest corp. As it stands now FW is worth more to me than a spot on the starmap?! If we want PC to be the ultimate pinnacle of gameplay let's give it a reason to be fought over so vigorously, other than war room writing material?!
We all know isk payouts for owning land is foolish, and a fail of epic proportion. However, receiving gear on a performance based tier level could be interesting, and rewarding in conjunction with the trading aspect of the game! I will get with others to put the idea pitch together, but for now overall receiving and fighting for resources is much more controllable than free isk.
As mercs I also feel the "mercing" aspect of the game, by certain individuals, image has been sullied?! Corp contracts could and should be more than just PC fights. A corp leader should be able to post public contracts in interest of the corp for other mercs to hit to gain isk. This will help eliminate the ringer problem, as you've given the ringer something to do! Small inexperienced corps can go get bloodied on raids for larger corps needing the extra assistance to weaken an area. Districts should be a quest, not a skirmish on drugs for ignored bragging in the war room?!
The CPM that pushes for content, not in the form of new weapons and modes, but in improving player experience is the one I'll vote for.
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
11
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Posted - 2015.07.15 18:36:00 -
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My list of priorities for CPM. In order. They need to push these criteria
Balance and Performance
Planetary Conquest being profitable while encouraging fighting. Customization.
More FW LOYALTY benefits. Discounts in the store, free skins after reaching "X" rank (And can only be worn if on or above that rank. Let the officers show some swag), and most importantly a CHOOSE DEPLOYMENT feature. It's hard to synchronize with EVE pilots because we zoom all over FW space. Allowing us to delegate teams to certain areas would be great. Imagine: Having actual MILITIA's that cover certain area's. When you queue up to fight, you fight in THAT area, doing attack or defense. Members in that area get benefits based on % land held and friendly capsuleers get bonus %LP for dropping OB's there. It might get more EVE people interested in Dust FW.
NPE. Seriously, just make a scripted tutorial. Teach them how to take points, drop links, switch suits, etc. I could probably write out a half-decent script for a tutorial in less than a day. I actually might do that now. These guys need to actually learn how to PLAY the game, not just how to make fits.
QoL. Always last on the list. Smooth things over when the core is fixed.
For those wondering why NPE isn't higher, I'll tell you why. We need to keep what players we have HERE. No use in prepping blues to stay when there isn't anything worth staying over. Work on making this a game more worth playing and investing in, and then work on getting blues to stay long enough to realize that there is so much more to Dust than ambush and skirmish.
Currently listening to: Tsukihime OST
Un-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
11
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Posted - 2015.07.15 18:41:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:My list of priorities for CPM. In order. They need to push these criteria
Balance and Performance
Planetary Conquest being profitable while encouraging fighting. Customization.
More FW LOYALTY benefits. Discounts in the store, free skins after reaching "X" rank (And can only be worn if on or above that rank. Let the officers show some swag), and most importantly a CHOOSE DEPLOYMENT feature. It's hard to synchronize with EVE pilots because we zoom all over FW space. Allowing us to delegate teams to certain areas would be great. Imagine: Having actual MILITIA's that cover certain area's. When you queue up to fight, you fight in THAT area, doing attack or defense. Members in that area get benefits based on % land held and friendly capsuleers get bonus %LP for dropping OB's there. It might get more EVE people interested in Dust FW.
NPE. Seriously, just make a scripted tutorial. Teach them how to take points, drop links, switch suits, etc. I could probably write out a half-decent script for a tutorial in less than a day. I actually might do that now. These guys need to actually learn how to PLAY the game, not just how to make fits.
QoL. Always last on the list. Smooth things over when the core is fixed. I'm saving this entire post, but the "FW LOYALTY" portion is very much what I want for FW. Your ideas are interesting and I'll hold on to them. What are your thoughts on a War Hero SKIN that can only be fitted if you have X standing level or above with the faction?
@Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley on Skype!
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Operative 1174 Uuali
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
916
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Posted - 2015.07.15 18:43:00 -
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HmmGǪ
MY CPM2 PLATFORM
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The KTM DuKe
0uter.Heaven
451
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Posted - 2015.07.15 18:46:00 -
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Some italians would like to see me running for cpm, though i ve not a program and i am not appreciate on an international level
The official commando points farmer of 0uter.Heaven . Dont mind me, i play solo but my squadmates carry me.
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.07.15 18:58:00 -
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The KTM DuKe wrote:Some italians would like to see me running for cpm, though i ve not a program and i am not appreciate on an international level
I would like to see more candidates internationally as it is the entire communtiy the CPM need to address, but I am not seeing many mentioned interest from EU/Asia/SA so I cannot judge though I can say all of these guys know how the game is played and add another dimension to battles which is good content, so CPM interaction internationally is a must have abilty I think.
Anyone that is considering it should certainly think about what they could offer and if they can dedicate time to CPM+Dust
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
11
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Posted - 2015.07.15 19:30:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:My list of priorities for CPM. In order. They need to push these criteria
Balance and Performance
Planetary Conquest being profitable while encouraging fighting. Customization.
More FW LOYALTY benefits. Discounts in the store, free skins after reaching "X" rank (And can only be worn if on or above that rank. Let the officers show some swag), and most importantly a CHOOSE DEPLOYMENT feature. It's hard to synchronize with EVE pilots because we zoom all over FW space. Allowing us to delegate teams to certain areas would be great. Imagine: Having actual MILITIA's that cover certain area's. When you queue up to fight, you fight in THAT area, doing attack or defense. Members in that area get benefits based on % land held and friendly capsuleers get bonus %LP for dropping OB's there. It might get more EVE people interested in Dust FW.
NPE. Seriously, just make a scripted tutorial. Teach them how to take points, drop links, switch suits, etc. I could probably write out a half-decent script for a tutorial in less than a day. I actually might do that now. These guys need to actually learn how to PLAY the game, not just how to make fits.
QoL. Always last on the list. Smooth things over when the core is fixed. I'm saving this entire post, but the "FW LOYALTY" portion is very much what I want for FW. Your ideas are interesting and I'll hold on to them. What are your thoughts on a War Hero SKIN that can only be fitted if you have X standing level or above with the faction?
I would adore a War Hero skin. I'd also name them uniquely for each faction. You would choose frame size when earning it, and the others can then be purchased for additional LP.
Warlord for the Minmatar. Pure white with Dark red splatter and emblems. Like Sev from Republic Commando (Who already looks like a Minmando)
Justicar for the Amarr. I'm not sure how they would want it. Probably Gold with Silver accents.
General for the Gallente. Ask Kirk, IDK.
Commander for the Caldari. I actually love their Digital Camo and Navy Looks. Probably go with a Blue and Grey Digital Camo with Gold accents on the emblems.
When you see these suits, you KNOW they're an FW Veteran, due to requiring 8 or High FW standing (Which is a lot of games. I managed to get to 8 after grinding through about 3 BPO's).
You get the drift. I've also always wanted the ability to change station locations if you get to rank 10. Get my Caldari ass in Minmatar territory, I've earned it.
Currently listening to: Tsukihime OST
Un-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
11
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Posted - 2015.07.15 19:44:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:[I would adore a War Hero skin. I'd also name them uniquely for each faction. You would choose frame size when earning it, and the others can then be purchased for additional LP. Warlord for the Minmatar. Pure white with Dark red splatter and emblems. Like Sev from Republic Commando (Who already looks like a Minmando) Justicar for the Amarr. I'm not sure how they would want it. Probably Gold with Silver accents. General for the Gallente. Ask Kirk, IDK. Commander for the Caldari. I actually love their Digital Camo and Navy Looks. Probably go with a Blue and Grey Digital Camo with Gold accents on the emblems. When you see these suits, you KNOW they're an FW Veteran, due to requiring 8 or High FW standing (Which is a lot of games. I managed to get to 8 after grinding through about 3 BPO's). You get the drift. I've also always wanted the ability to change station locations if you get to rank 10. Get my Caldari ass in Minmatar territory, I've earned it. Aaaaand saved. I would like some kind of easily distinguishable SKIN for FW veterans. The current SKINs we have can be the "grunt" SKINs. No loyalty required, just grinding.
If the SKIN requires a high standing to obtain and fit I don't see why you can't be given the light, medium, and heavy SKINs at the same time. I mean, if you get your standing to 9 - 10 then you deserve them. That is not an easy feat.
Ideally, I would like us to move around New Eden using some kind of capsuleer transportation service, but we won't see that until Dust migrates off the PS3. Fingers crossed that happens sooner rather than later.
P.S. - Yes, Amarr would probably be some kind of dull gold with silver-red accents.
@Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley on Skype!
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.07.15 19:49:00 -
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Once we get an idea who is worth voting in we can decide what shiny suits they are wearing |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
11
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Posted - 2015.07.15 19:51:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Once we get an idea who is worth voting in we can decide what shiny suits they are wearing I am literally getting feedback from a player and you are busting my balls. Please decide what is more important to you: talking about politics or us being good CPM candidates.
@Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley on Skype!
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
24
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Posted - 2015.07.15 19:53:00 -
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Interesting thoughts.
What would you say about me, if I were to run?
Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu
Gallente Guide
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Dalmont Legrand
679
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Posted - 2015.07.15 20:55:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Glad to see I'm not the only one speaking out against campaigners and lacking faith in a CPM to actually benefit the game, Viktor Hadah makes a great post about some of the flaws with peoples ideals as they look toward gaining that position and it is something the playerbase should give extra thought before we spend another year wondering if the CPM has any intention on managing anything other than discussion when we need players who stirve to make content representing Dust514 to CCP
Some may agree/disagree with encouraging votes but I barely know the mercs I'd suggest for CPM so I will just try to offer an unbiased opinion on those putting their names forward, hopefully this can be a constructive thread about who has what's needed and what they truly offer the playerbase in terms of hearing our views and adding content to Dust514.
- If a candidate offers nothing but the sound of their own words they are a poor choice. - A level of diplomacy is required for CPM, but that should not discourage anyone, focus on the game should be 1st - Dust needs the communtiy to stive to make the content, the door between CCP/Players is the CPM, they should lead this
From what I have seen (will update if potential candidates wish to state their intentions)
- Solid Candidates. Cross - Sound logic, welcoming in opening discussions a good speaker for the CPM Kevall - Leading the most well known corp backing NPE, providing feedback of that is essential Talos - Good idea's reminds me of the old days when dreamers still lurked the forums, CCP need that creativity
- Ones to consider Pokey - Another solid speaker and a good critic for both the community and CCP Breakin' Stuff - So many have claimed to try and be fixin' stuff I think it's time we tried something else Zaria - Experience at the end-game levels and amongst the best players in game Mclovin - A shoulder to cry on when you need it most, vote love Sgt Kirk - A good squad lead and organiser could be an option for events (may need Caldari CPM to counter him)
From the names mentioned I would still like to see more community activity IN-GAME, but they are all worthy of it if they dedicate to the task at hand and increase content for all mercenaries on Dust514 an our immersion with EVE. To any I have left out, actions speak louder than words. We need CPM to be more than a talkshow for what could have been.
My opinion means little in this, I am trying to communicate for those who play the game for what it is, and make the most of the content we have on offer. I'm happy to discuss this or add further explanations to my opinions.
Good luck to those hopeful of a CPM seat, just remember to get off your ass once in a while . 07
Also consider Bamm Havoc and me. I have solidarity with BAMM in what he says because I were awaiting that CPM1 will go the way it went. Greatly disappointing. Not only me as I found out... time to go for CPM2.
"Shred Memories" | Reality Fiction
The best is yet to come
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.07.15 21:50:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Interesting thoughts.
What would you say about me, if I were to run?
WYRNSPIRE !!!!
You would be a good diplomat dealing with CCP and have vast gameplay experience with knowledge of mechanics, and like I think and hope Pokey's main strength will be you will critic CCP where needed and in a manner they will listen to. Ideally speaking I think you'd be a good choice, but I am going on the basis of what I have seen or read while playing the game.
Bamm Havoc has a good perspective on the game. and offers another opinion from most which I feel is important for a productive CPM, If he was active enough would be a good host for player events. But I have not seen much from him lately.
In my perspective any candidate running for CPM should be focusing on the gameplay in Dust514, by being part of it, from publicly hosted FW, Ambushes even PC gaining experience with the players in game, obviously activity times can't always suit but if they cannot be active they are in no position to be providing current feedback from the community, not all members need to be active as much in game because ideallly gamers would be smart enough to vote the right mix of players
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.07.15 22:02:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:TheD1CK wrote:Once we get an idea who is worth voting in we can decide what shiny suits they are wearing I am literally getting feedback from a player and you are busting my balls. Please decide what is more important to you: talking about politics or us being good CPM candidates.
They are voting CPM this month, and will be adding SKINs for the next 10+, many players have put forward idea's with Faction/Loyalty SKINs, but is a visual effect that we are set to get one way or another, deciding what candidates provide a good base for in game content is more important. I see no point in any player voting for someone who cannot provide that, Save his layouts and work on that theory, but if an open discussion on what candidates will actually DO for the game is possible I'd try keep that on track.
How many voted the last CPM ?? that's the only reason you need to why we need CPM involved with the entire community
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BAMM HAVOC
LUX AETERNA INT RUST415
885
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Posted - 2015.07.15 23:40:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Interesting thoughts.
Bamm Havoc has a good perspective on the game. and offers another opinion from most which I feel is important for a productive CPM, If he was active enough would be a good host for player events. But I have not seen much from him lately.
Ok, I was linked this by 9 other mercs and was told to comment, I will be making a video about this so standby for that.
YOU TUBEZ
BLOGZ
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Operative 1174 Uuali
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
934
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Posted - 2015.07.16 01:00:00 -
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The words, "You need a KDR minimum ofGǪ" put me right off of giving two effs for trying to cooperate with most people in the game.
I was there when the idea of the game was announced. I supported the concept of the game. I wanted to play the game. I play the game. I like the game. I am concerned about the success of the game. I want the game to be playable by all rather than a select few. I don't think I need to jabber with my bros to improve said game. What more needs to be said?
MY CPM2 PLATFORM
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
11
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Posted - 2015.07.16 02:48:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:My list of priorities for CPM. In order. They need to push these criteria
Balance and Performance
Planetary Conquest being profitable while encouraging fighting. Customization.
More FW LOYALTY benefits. Discounts in the store, free skins after reaching "X" rank (And can only be worn if on or above that rank. Let the officers show some swag), and most importantly a CHOOSE DEPLOYMENT feature. It's hard to synchronize with EVE pilots because we zoom all over FW space. Allowing us to delegate teams to certain areas would be great. Imagine: Having actual MILITIA's that cover certain area's. When you queue up to fight, you fight in THAT area, doing attack or defense. Members in that area get benefits based on % land held and friendly capsuleers get bonus %LP for dropping OB's there. It might get more EVE people interested in Dust FW.
NPE. Seriously, just make a scripted tutorial. Teach them how to take points, drop links, switch suits, etc. I could probably write out a half-decent script for a tutorial in less than a day. I actually might do that now. These guys need to actually learn how to PLAY the game, not just how to make fits.
QoL. Always last on the list. Smooth things over when the core is fixed. I'm saving this entire post, but the "FW LOYALTY" portion is very much what I want for FW. Your ideas are interesting and I'll hold on to them. What are your thoughts on a War Hero SKIN that can only be fitted if you have X standing level or above with the faction? I would adore a War Hero skin. I'd also name them uniquely for each faction. You would choose frame size when earning it, and the others can then be purchased for additional LP. Warlord for the Minmatar. Pure white with Dark red splatter and emblems. Like Sev from Republic Commando (Who already looks like a Minmando) Justicar for the Amarr. I'm not sure how they would want it. Probably Gold with Silver accents. General for the Gallente. Ask Kirk, IDK. Commander for the Caldari. I actually love their Digital Camo and Navy Looks. Probably go with a Blue and Grey Digital Camo with Gold accents on the emblems. When you see these suits, you KNOW they're an FW Veteran, due to requiring 8 or High FW standing (Which is a lot of games. I managed to get to 8 after grinding through about 3 BPO's). You get the drift. I've also always wanted the ability to change station locations if you get to rank 10. Get my Caldari ass in Minmatar territory, I've earned it.
I'd love something like this and yes General would do Gallente just fine.
Sgt Kirk's Official Propaganda Youtube Channel
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.07.16 11:25:00 -
[32] - Quote
Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:The words, "You need a KDR minimum ofGǪ" put me right off of giving two effs for trying to cooperate with most people in the game.
I was there when the idea of the game was announced. I supported the concept of the game. I wanted to play the game. I play the game. I like the game. I am concerned about the success of the game. I want the game to be playable by all rather than a select few. I don't think I need to jabber with my bros to improve said game. What more needs to be said?
Good post, I fully agree with you we mostly keep our fantasy jibber jabber in Corp comms, I am strongly against a CPM where their main focus is sitting about chatting about Dust, I would like to see at least one member with as much mud on their boots as average Dust activity playing public/FW/PC and especially so they can attempt to reach out to the players not speaking up.
You have the same view a lot of us did when Dust began, most are tired of holding onto hope
It's why I am concerned with the CPM choices, as a squad leader thats exactly how I am looking at CPM build-up, if we don't get the right mix of roles into the CPM it cannot be as effective as possible for us , in-game and on here.
Diplomats - Logistics - Veterans - New Players
For traits I feel it should be built from, and the players involved share and divide responsibiltiy between themselves so some of them post more content, some of them play/create more content and those who handle CCP diplomacy with them. It should be most important that we mix the CPM panel so we get the required traits and hopefully a few members who setup to be behind the communtiy, not just in words but in actual gameplay content and interaction internationally.
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Knight Soiaire
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
6
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Posted - 2015.07.16 12:19:00 -
[33] - Quote
We should just get all the candidates to fight to the death and the winner becomes CPM.
FOR THE EMPRAH!
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
11
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Posted - 2015.07.16 12:21:00 -
[34] - Quote
Knight Soiaire wrote:We should just get all the candidates to fight to the death and the winner becomes CPM.
Dragon Dildo's in a 12m Ring of fire.
LET THE CPM GAMES COMMENCE
Currently listening to: Tsukihime OST
Un-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
11
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Posted - 2015.07.16 12:33:00 -
[35] - Quote
Sgt Kirk wrote:I'd love something like this and yes General would do Gallente just fine. The Federal Defense Union's max rank is Luminaire General. Source. Amarr max rank is currently called Divine Commodore (which sounds pretty impressive, btw). Minmatar is Valklear General (also impressive sounding). Caldari... Brigadier General (...meh...)
These ranks are already steeped in New Eden lore. Though weak, this could be a nice connection to the greater New Eden universe.
I don't want to stop TheD1CK from banging on about politics and whatever else so let's take this to Skype. Ghost, you have a Skype name? Add me.
@Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley on Skype!
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
Nos Nothi
2
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Posted - 2015.07.16 12:33:00 -
[36] - Quote
Very very surprised candidates do not have a link to their "platform", "manifesto" or whatever it is we call it in their signature. Only see one on Operative's.
You guys really should consider adding the link. Make it as easy as possible for potential voters to read your stuff. |
Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
11
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Posted - 2015.07.16 12:40:00 -
[37] - Quote
Ripley Riley wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:I'd love something like this and yes General would do Gallente just fine. The Federal Defense Union's max rank is Luminaire General. Source. Amarr max rank is currently called Divine Commodore (which sounds pretty impressive, btw). Minmatar is Valklear General (also impressive sounding). Caldari... Brigadier General (...meh...) These ranks are already steeped in New Eden lore. Though weak, this could be a nice connection to the greater New Eden universe. I don't want to stop TheD1CK from banging on about politics and whatever else so let's take this to Skype. Ghost, you have a Skype name? Add me.
Yeah, but I don't get on much now that my beloved Sybil kicked the bucket (What I named my computer), and because my laptop updates skype very slowly / sometimes not at all.
Just make a thread in the features and idea's, we can chat there.
Currently listening to: Tsukihime OST
Un-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
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Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
2
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Posted - 2015.07.16 13:06:00 -
[38] - Quote
IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:Very very surprised candidates do not have a link to their "platform", "manifesto" or whatever it is we call it in their signature. Only see one on Operative's.
You guys really should consider adding the link. Make it as easy as possible for potential voters to read your stuff.
Gotcha covered bro
Official CPM Platform
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demens grimwulff
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
648
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Posted - 2015.07.16 13:10:00 -
[39] - Quote
Talos Vagheitan wrote:IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:Very very surprised candidates do not have a link to their "platform", "manifesto" or whatever it is we call it in their signature. Only see one on Operative's.
You guys really should consider adding the link. Make it as easy as possible for potential voters to read your stuff. Gotcha covered bro
Same. Didn't realize Talos, Operative, and I were the only ones with the forethought to include that o.O
CPM2 Candidate
Intent to run is found here: Intent
Allow me to help improve Dust
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.07.16 13:14:00 -
[40] - Quote
Ripley Riley wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:I'd love something like this and yes General would do Gallente just fine. The Federal Defense Union's max rank is Luminaire General. Source. Amarr max rank is currently called Divine Commodore (which sounds pretty impressive, btw). Minmatar is Valklear General (also impressive sounding). Caldari... Brigadier General (...meh...) These ranks are already steeped in New Eden lore. Though weak, this could be a nice connection to the greater New Eden universe. I don't want to stop TheD1CK from banging on about politics and whatever else so let's take this to Skype. Ghost, you have a Skype name? Add me.
Thank you, CPM candidate for adding something to the discussion at hand at not derailing it with something off topic that concerns only yourself and a fraction of the community, a skype chat is just whats needed so you can brainstorm ideas from yoursleves and have minimal community input
Gameplay > Lore > Shiny dropsuits
A new thread for that is welcome, but I busted your balls so this would not become 10 pages of..
'OMG.. you are going to look soooo fabulous in FW tonight bae xxx'
Gameplay quality and how CPM can be involed in creating content is what matters, I'm not caring for any politics.. it seems past CPM elections have focused to much on that and the actual players suffer while they have their chats about the game. By creating content I do not mean only crafting theories but actually branching out and being involved with the game.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
11
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Posted - 2015.07.16 13:33:00 -
[41] - Quote
TheD1CK wrote:Something off topic that concerns only yourself and a fraction of the community, a Skype chat is just whats needed so you can brainstorm ideas from yourselves and have minimal community input Like many proposals, thoughts will be thrown around in Skype or in game then a thread posted in F&I to be discussed with the community. Remember that candidate, Breakin Stuff, that is endorsed in your OP? We discuss his proposals and ideas in Skype often before he tosses them out for the community to view.
But spin that however you want
@Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley on Skype!
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.07.16 13:48:00 -
[42] - Quote
Ripley Riley wrote:TheD1CK wrote:Something off topic that concerns only yourself and a fraction of the community, a Skype chat is just whats needed so you can brainstorm ideas from yourselves and have minimal community input Like many proposals, thoughts will be thrown around in Skype or in game then a thread posted in F&I to be discussed with the community. Remember that candidate, Breakin Stuff, that is endorse? We discuss his proposals and ideas in Skype often before he tosses them out for the community to view. But spin that however you want
The only guys endorsed here are the ones loud enough to be noticed, why should I (or any Dust gamer) need to search to find the candidates for representing the communitiy?? I won't, 100's of others will not so this post is biased towards those who make a consistent mark both in game and on the forums, CPM need to step up community interaction a LOT.
It's nothing personal that I am being a d1ck about it, consider it a warm up for candidates because it is the exact behaviour they will be dealing with if elected, Community representetives should even care about what scrubs like me think I'm afraid..
And the guys endorsed by this living e-peen interect with players inside and outside of their groups so seem to make good choices, This post is a chance for CPM candidates to at least mention what mark they intend top leave on the game, I know none of them on a personal level, only by what I have seen from their actions within Dust514
- for PR purposes, I can add candidates prepared to give a reason why I should to the list.
- One main skill I am hoping appears in CPM is someone making an effort with non-english speaking natives - Council of Planetary Management, if it means so much to apply for, show us how you will interact within the game
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501st Headstrong
0uter.Heaven
1
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Posted - 2015.07.16 13:49:00 -
[43] - Quote
Ripley Riley wrote:TheD1CK wrote:Something off topic that concerns only yourself and a fraction of the community, a Skype chat is just whats needed so you can brainstorm ideas from yourselves and have minimal community input Like many proposals, thoughts will be thrown around in Skype or in game then a thread posted in F&I to be discussed with the community. Remember that candidate, Breakin Stuff, that is endorsed in your OP? We discuss his proposals and ideas in Skype often before he tosses them out for the community to view. But spin that however you want
May you invite me to the Skype chat Ripley? I love discussions, and until I get my internet back to play, it's all I can really do XD
Btw loving the FW idea, as well as the one the Bradic said. THAT, is a post that everyone should read along with Kaisers
"There are no rights. The world owes no one a living."-Sumner
*The Mascot of 0uter.Heaven *
Internet down atm :(
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
11
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Posted - 2015.07.16 13:55:00 -
[44] - Quote
501st Headstrong wrote:May you invite me to the Skype chat Ripley? I love discussions, and until I get my internet back to play, it's all I can really do XD Absolutely!
To anyone reading this: add me on Skype or reach me in game. I want to remain accessible to players in and out of game.
501st Headstrong wrote:Btw loving the FW idea, as well as the one the Bradic said. THAT, is a post that everyone should read along with Kaisers Here is the F&I thread. Take a look and get involved in the discussion.
@Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley on Skype!
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.07.16 13:55:00 -
[45] - Quote
Ripley Riley wrote:TheD1CK wrote:Something off topic that concerns only yourself and a fraction of the community, a Skype chat is just whats needed so you can brainstorm ideas from yourselves and have minimal community input Like many proposals, thoughts will be thrown around in Skype or in game then a thread posted in F&I to be discussed with the community. Remember that candidate, Breakin Stuff, that is endorsed in your OP? We discuss his proposals and ideas in Skype often before he tosses them out for the community to view. But spin that however you want
These discussions could easily be on forums or even in-game channels while mercs play with a mix batch of players, can anybody name the main reason they are not ?? My answer is because no-one makes the effort for that interaction within Dust, I know several reasons why I can't blame mercs for that it's a lot of scrubs to get through to
What should be the first requirement for a CPM that is representing the communtiy ??
My money is on, them actually having a clue who/what they represent.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
11
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Posted - 2015.07.16 14:04:00 -
[46] - Quote
TheD1CK wrote:These discussions could easily be on forums or even in-game channels while mercs play with a mix batch of players, can anybody name the main reason they are not ?? My answer is because no-one makes the effort for that interaction within Dust, I know several reasons why I can't blame mercs for that it's a lot of scrubs to get through to Well, there are many people to talk to in-game, I'll grant you that. I'm only one man and I do have a full time job, but I like remaining accessible out of game so I can be reached. In game I'll squad up with anyone! Just send me a mail and we will figure out times.
@Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley on Skype!
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.07.16 14:05:00 -
[47] - Quote
501st calm down with the like button a moment and back me up on this I am not against disagreement, my Corp can vouch for how often I am wrong, but I know the game we are playing and I do my best to keep it a casual environment for myself and the gamers I fight with, It may be a shock to some of you but there are many people playing the game for what it is, not just the dreamers that come here to talk about it, I will vote when I see candidates that are going to reach out to the bluest of blueberries and value their feedback as much as the value those of witty mercs with a few thousand likes. |
TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.07.16 14:09:00 -
[48] - Quote
Ripley Riley wrote:TheD1CK wrote:These discussions could easily be on forums or even in-game channels while mercs play with a mix batch of players, can anybody name the main reason they are not ?? My answer is because no-one makes the effort for that interaction within Dust, I know several reasons why I can't blame mercs for that it's a lot of scrubs to get through to Well, there are many people to talk to in-game, I'll grant you that. I'm only one man and I do have a full time job, but I like remaining accessible out of game so I can be reached. In game I'll squad up with anyone! Just send me a mail and we will figure out times.
Abd I understand that, it's a big reason why candidates should really consider if they have the time for it all. The only way around it as I mentioned before, the CPM should be a suqad, providing various roles, not all need by in-game campaigners but without someone or more of the CPM dedicated to that, they are of no real use to the unspoken for players we have.
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501st Headstrong
0uter.Heaven
1
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Posted - 2015.07.16 14:12:00 -
[49] - Quote
TheD1CK wrote:501st calm down with the like button a moment and back me up on this I am not against disagreement, my Corp can vouch for how often I am wrong, but I know the game we are playing and I do my best to keep it a casual environment for myself and the gamers I fight with, It may be a shock to some of you but there are many people playing the game for what it is, not just the dreamers that come here to talk about it, I will vote when I see candidates that are going to reach out to the bluest of blueberries and value their feedback as much as the value those of witty mercs with a few thousand likes.
I agree wholeheartedly lol. I want a CPM (personally) who is now trying to push what we can do with Dust on the PS3, but also who I know advocates for more. Currently, I can't give all the feedback and ideas I want, because I have no idea how FW is, no idea how PC is, I don't even know how trading is done or what suits look like or anything...I am completely seperated from Dust, so the best I can do is confer on as many threads as possible to gain as much insight as possible.
I think you and Victor raised very great points. CPM can't be simply a popularity contest this time around, I don't want a year wasted, and luckily these canidates are ones that I feel are advancing the game. By the talking with Ripley's thread, or Talos, I see their insights far better than simply playing them in a pub match and them saying what I want to hear.
We all want Dust ported. Till that day however, how we can enrich this beautiful gem on PS3 is all we can do.
And my criteria for liking a post is so broad lol. I usually like if at least some part of your post is: Intuitive, funny, I agree with, you have no likes and raise a good dimension.
And I'm alone at the library right now listening to PC battles on Youtube and crying inside until I go to work so I have nothing to do but forum warrior and debate. *Raises glass* Continue la discussion :)
"There are no rights. The world owes no one a living."-Sumner
*The Mascot of 0uter.Heaven *
Internet down atm :(
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.07.16 14:22:00 -
[50] - Quote
TheD is here for your amusmement , and your reply sums up the main reasons I am questioning CPM candidates. I have played the game from clueless adjusted starter fit blueberry noob to half-competent adjusted FC noob, meeting a lot of players in between the majority of them being in the lower bracket of skill/SP ranking and I have gained good sense of fighting with+against Corps internationally seeing different outlooks on the game and how it is adapted to around the world... If it wasn't for the gametime it would steal and my terrible diplomacy skills I'd consider CPM myself.. instead I'll take the safe route and grill those that think they can really speak for the communtiy they are so keen to represent |
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The KTM DuKe
Gallente Federation
456
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Posted - 2015.07.16 14:34:00 -
[51] - Quote
...
Just another corp hopper
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Balistyc Farshot
MONSTER SYNERGY
300
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Posted - 2015.07.16 15:24:00 -
[52] - Quote
Just my 2 cents. CPMs should lead!
I have not seen a CPM change the face of development because the development team is small and focused by CCP leadership. They may do crunching of numbers but other than that they just provide feedback. What I want from a CPM is for them to be the fing boots on the ground for CCP!
CCP needs to adopt a GM style of management for the game if they can't login. Make the CPMs lead from inside the game not the forums! Give the CPMs the ability to trigger the special missions\events section of the game and leverage that function. CCP needs to trust the CPMs with in game powers through those channels. CCP says they can't fight us, then recruit enough CPMs to fight for them! Without a presence in the game CCP is pulling levers and surprised when the community goes where they want with it.
That is why I vote for Sgt. Kirk is because out of all the candidates he is the only one I have seen organize masses of people, key part here, "He doesn't know" (Knocks out a lot of candidates there) into a single game mode for fun.
The CPMs aren't going to give us features, just express their view of the community and game to CCP. Lets give them a job in the game!
"Dying with your rep tool out - the logi-flasher!"
Who hasn't been caught by a cute little female scout doing this?
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501st Headstrong
0uter.Heaven
1
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Posted - 2015.07.16 15:26:00 -
[53] - Quote
If you lack the skills, gain them. Those who critique should try. If top with many corps, you also seem to know what you want out of a CPM. To make sure such a thing happens, perhaps you should apply. Just a thought. +1
"There are no rights. The world owes no one a living."-Sumner
*The Mascot of 0uter.Heaven *
Internet down atm :(
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Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
2
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Posted - 2015.07.16 16:00:00 -
[54] - Quote
501st Headstrong wrote:[quote=TheD1CK]
We all want Dust ported. Till that day however, how we can enrich this beautiful gem on PS3 is all we can do.
This is exactly right.
First impressions are very important. Look back at all the initial Dust reviews. Mediocre at best. Dust over-promised and made poor initial impressions, and it's still suffering from that.
A lot of the negative critique was valid, but looking back at the video's much of what everyone complained about no longer applies today; the game has really come a very long way since then. I think if Dust were released in 2012 as it is today then it would have fared so much better.
Which is why I see this is such a great opportunity right now for Dust. Through many ups and downs Dust has been quietly improving and upgrading since it's release, while people outside this community are barely aware Dust exists. With nearly zero hype to live up to Dust is poised to pounce on next-gem gamers like a tiger.
E3 doesn't scare me. Battlefront will be let down, Fallout will be great, but a single player game will never steal an online shooter community, PS2 seems to be popular, but lacks the larger persistent universe of New Eden, Battlefield, CoD, Killzone players are all weary of endless DLC packs, greedy monitization and one-year life spans of games etc.
Which is why we need to use the time we have on the PS3 to continue making this game better and better until a port finally happens.
Which is why I'm running for CPM2. I'm very optimistic about Dust and see so much potential, and I'd like to help in any way I can.
Official CPM Platform
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501st Headstrong
0uter.Heaven
1
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Posted - 2015.07.16 16:03:00 -
[55] - Quote
Talos Vagheitan wrote:501st Headstrong wrote:[quote=TheD1CK]
We all want Dust ported. Till that day however, how we can enrich this beautiful gem on PS3 is all we can do.
This is exactly right. First impressions are very important. Look back at all the initial Dust reviews. Mediocre at best. Dust over-promised and made poor initial impressions, and it's still suffering from that. A lot of the negative critique was valid, but looking back at the video's much of what everyone complained about no longer applies today; the game has really come a very long way since then. I think if Dust were released in 2012 as it is today then it would have fared so much better. Which is why I see this is such a great opportunity right now for Dust. Through many ups and downs Dust has been quietly improving and upgrading since it's release, while people outside this community are barely aware Dust exists. With nearly zero hype to live up to Dust is poised to pounce on next-gem gamers like a tiger. E3 doesn't scare me. Battlefront will be let down, Fallout will be great, but a single player game will never steal an online shooter community, PS2 seems to be popular, but lacks the larger persistent universe of New Eden, Battlefield, CoD, Killzone players are all weary of endless DLC packs, greedy monitization and one-year life spans of games etc. Which is why we need to use the time we have on the PS3 to continue making this game better and better until a port finally happens. Which is why I'm running for CPM2. I'm very optimistic about Dust and see so much potential, and I'd like to help in any way I can.
*Claps* You hit the nail right pn the head omg I am so sick of DLC like that...07 goodness you don't evwn understand how happy I am right now
"There are no rights. The world owes no one a living."-Sumner
*The Mascot of 0uter.Heaven *
Internet down atm :(
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides Learning Alliance
6
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Posted - 2015.07.16 16:28:00 -
[56] - Quote
My voting list so far:
Pokey Dravon Cross Atu Zaria Min Deir BreakinGÇÖ Stuff
Kevall will probably be on there somewhere. I voted for him last time. I donGÇÖt know Talos, so will have to look out for some of his posts.
Of course I am not sure who is all running yet.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides Learning Alliance
6
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Posted - 2015.07.16 16:34:00 -
[57] - Quote
TheD1CK wrote:The KTM DuKe wrote:Some italians would like to see me running for cpm, though i ve not a program and i am not appreciate on an international level I would like to see more candidates internationally as it is the entire communtiy the CPM need to address, but I am not seeing many mentioned interest from EU/Asia/SA so I cannot judge though I can say all of these guys know how the game is played and add another dimension to battles which is good content, so CPM interaction internationally is a must have abilty I think. Anyone that is considering it should certainly think about what they could offer and if they can dedicate time to CPM+Dust Zaria Min Deir is from Finland.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.07.16 16:36:00 -
[58] - Quote
Fox Gaden wrote:My voting list so far: Pokey DravonCross Atu Zaria Min Deir BreakinGÇÖ Stuff Kevall will probably be on there somewhere. I voted for him last time. I donGÇÖt know Talos, so will have to look out for some of his posts. Of course I am not sure who is all running yet.
Yes there is still uncertainty about who will run, but the ones working hardest for it are noticable. I updated OP to set Pokey as a solid candidate, I think most of Dust will be hoping he can be the critic that can beat some sense into CCP
A lot of mercs thinking about CPM voting will browse this so feedbnack from candidates is very welcome
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
11
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Posted - 2015.07.16 16:38:00 -
[59] - Quote
Fox Gaden wrote:BreakinGÇÖ Stuff. Sadly, due to some passport/birth cert bullshit, Breakin probably won't make the July 29th deadline anymore Hate it though. Man knows his way around a spreadsheet.
@Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley on Skype!
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides Learning Alliance
6
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Posted - 2015.07.16 16:40:00 -
[60] - Quote
Talos Vagheitan wrote:501st Headstrong wrote:[quote=TheD1CK]
We all want Dust ported. Till that day however, how we can enrich this beautiful gem on PS3 is all we can do.
This is exactly right. First impressions are very important. Look back at all the initial Dust reviews. Mediocre at best. Dust over-promised and made poor initial impressions, and it's still suffering from that. A lot of the negative critique was valid, but looking back at the video's much of what everyone complained about no longer applies today; the game has really come a very long way since then. I think if Dust were released in 2012 as it is today then it would have fared so much better. Which is why I see this is such a great opportunity right now for Dust. Through many ups and downs Dust has been quietly improving and upgrading since it's release, while people outside this community are barely aware Dust exists. With nearly zero hype to live up to Dust is poised to pounce on next-gem gamers like a tiger. E3 doesn't scare me. Battlefront will be let down, Fallout will be great, but a single player game will never steal an online shooter community, PS2 seems to be popular, but lacks the larger persistent universe of New Eden, Battlefield, CoD, Killzone players are all weary of endless DLC packs, greedy monitization and one-year life spans of games etc. Which is why we need to use the time we have on the PS3 to continue making this game better and better until a port finally happens. Which is why I'm running for CPM2. I'm very optimistic about Dust and see so much potential, and I'd like to help in any way I can. My thoughts exactly. You won my vote with one post! That is impressive.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.07.16 16:42:00 -
[61] - Quote
Fox Gaden wrote:TheD1CK wrote:The KTM DuKe wrote:Some italians would like to see me running for cpm, though i ve not a program and i am not appreciate on an international level I would like to see more candidates internationally as it is the entire communtiy the CPM need to address, but I am not seeing many mentioned interest from EU/Asia/SA so I cannot judge though I can say all of these guys know how the game is played and add another dimension to battles which is good content, so CPM interaction internationally is a must have abilty I think. Anyone that is considering it should certainly think about what they could offer and if they can dedicate time to CPM+Dust Zaria Min Deir is from Finland.
Yes, but unless I am mistaken she is a member of the NA and english speaking community, and that reply was more aimed at someone who can comunicate with the large non-english speaking Dust communities, along with ideally the smaller groups of non-english speakers being included, though we may need a CPM candidate that can communicate in 20+ languages
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
10
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Posted - 2015.07.16 16:50:00 -
[62] - Quote
Ripley Riley wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:BreakinGÇÖ Stuff. Sadly, due to some passport/birth cert bullshit, Breakin probably won't make the July 29th deadline anymore Hate it though. Man knows his way around a spreadsheet. I may have found a way...
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
11
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Posted - 2015.07.16 16:54:00 -
[63] - Quote
Breakin Stuff wrote:I may have found a way... Excellent. I hope the casualties were kept low.
@Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley on Skype!
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
10
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Posted - 2015.07.16 16:56:00 -
[64] - Quote
Ripley Riley wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:I may have found a way... Excellent. I hope the casualties were kept low. No promises.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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DUST Fiend
17
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Posted - 2015.07.16 16:59:00 -
[65] - Quote
CPM is a formality.
There is no real change they can bring about while CCP runs a skeleton crew with minimal resources. It's merely a play to keep the faith alive amongst the fan boys.
CPM has no purpose in a DUST that CCP has all but abandoned. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
10
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Posted - 2015.07.16 17:01:00 -
[66] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:CPM is a formality.
There is no real change they can bring about while CCP runs a skeleton crew with minimal resources. It's merely a play to keep the faith alive amongst the fan boys.
CPM has no purpose in a DUST that CCP has all but abandoned. Cool. Then vote for me so I can pretend to be useful.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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DUST Fiend
17
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Posted - 2015.07.16 17:06:00 -
[67] - Quote
Breakin Stuff wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:CPM is a formality.
There is no real change they can bring about while CCP runs a skeleton crew with minimal resources. It's merely a play to keep the faith alive amongst the fan boys.
CPM has no purpose in a DUST that CCP has all but abandoned. Cool. Then vote for me so I can pretend to be useful. The only person I would have ever voted for was the best CPM in DUST history, JUDGE, and I didn't even vote for that sexy beast.
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.07.16 17:08:00 -
[68] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:CPM is a formality.
There is no real change they can bring about while CCP runs a skeleton crew with minimal resources. It's merely a play to keep the faith alive amongst the fan boys.
CPM has no purpose in a DUST that CCP has all but abandoned.
Exactly why I'm building walls of text in the hope this trend does not continue, Dust has all the activity it needs what is lacking is players that get behind communtiy driven events, who better to do that than those formailities that are communicating for us??
The majority of fanboys went chasing their destiny, Dust does have some loyal gamers left though, all the more reason CPM should reach out to them. Have we not learned sitting about crying for CCP to do something doesn't work?? if they can see a functioning community they are more likely to consider being involved. Reading posst like yours I'm sure some DEV's regret ever making a f2p gamer for whining kids, it is what you make of it, and you sir seem to be holding a piece of crap.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides Learning Alliance
6
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Posted - 2015.07.16 17:12:00 -
[69] - Quote
TheD1CK wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:TheD1CK wrote:The KTM DuKe wrote:Some italians would like to see me running for cpm, though i ve not a program and i am not appreciate on an international level I would like to see more candidates internationally as it is the entire communtiy the CPM need to address, but I am not seeing many mentioned interest from EU/Asia/SA so I cannot judge though I can say all of these guys know how the game is played and add another dimension to battles which is good content, so CPM interaction internationally is a must have abilty I think. Anyone that is considering it should certainly think about what they could offer and if they can dedicate time to CPM+Dust Zaria Min Deir is from Finland. Yes, but unless I am mistaken she is a member of the NA and english speaking community, and that reply was more aimed at someone who can comunicate with the large non-english speaking Dust communities, along with ideally the smaller groups of non-english speakers being included, though we may need a CPM candidate that can communicate in 20+ languages Well, from her accent I suspect that English is not her first language, but then, I don't think the Finish speaking portion of the DUST community is very large, so I take your point.
We really need a Spanish or Portuguese speaking CPM member if you go by percentage of the DUST player population, although Italian would definitely be helpful too.
All candidates need to be fluent in English though, as your ability to communicate with your segment of the Community does not do any good if you can't communicate effectively with CCP.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
10
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Posted - 2015.07.16 17:12:00 -
[70] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:best CPM in DUST history, JUDGE
:siren: SIR PULL THIS THREAD OVER AND HAND OVER THE KOOL-AID! IT IS NOT SAFE! I REPEAT SIR, HAND OVER THE KOOL-AID! :siren:
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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DUST Fiend
17
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Posted - 2015.07.16 17:13:00 -
[71] - Quote
"It's what I make of it"
Sorry, but a buggy lobby shooter with low frame rate, dwindling player base, virtually no dev team or resources, nothing ground breaking to speak of, mediocre graphics and a horrendous push and pull of attempted balance was by no means influenced by my cynicism.
You're the ones blinded by optimism, praying for gold while it's you who's holding the piece of crap ;)
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
10
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Posted - 2015.07.16 17:16:00 -
[72] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote: You're the ones blinded by optimism, praying for gold while it's you who's holding the piece of crap ;)
Optimism?
Is this the word for deliberately crashing the ship for insurance monies?
If that is the case then yes...
Optimism...
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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DUST Fiend
17
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Posted - 2015.07.16 17:18:00 -
[73] - Quote
Breakin Stuff wrote:DUST Fiend wrote: You're the ones blinded by optimism, praying for gold while it's you who's holding the piece of crap ;)
Optimism? Is this the word for deliberately crashing the ship for insurance monies? If that is the case then yes... Optimism... You can't crash a beached ship |
TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.07.16 17:22:00 -
[74] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:"It's what I make of it"
Sorry, but a buggy lobby shooter with low frame rate, dwindling player base, virtually no dev team or resources, nothing ground breaking to speak of, mediocre graphics and a horrendous push and pull of attempted balance was by no means influenced by my cynicism.
You're the ones blinded by optimism, praying for gold while it's you who's holding the piece of crap ;)
No, it's more like acknowledging the fact at the beginning of Dust those with sense knew this would go nowhere for upto and likey past 5years of blood, sweat and tears (I do my part) and ven then we'll have problems, Dust is still much better than many active games for the quality of content, gameplay and the way it pretends to offer some immersion...
We do get plagued by gamers addicted to shiny who insist on picking up each new release to play it, get bored, come back here and complain... but after this long it's cute.. and we are glad to welcome you back |
DUST Fiend
17
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Posted - 2015.07.16 17:26:00 -
[75] - Quote
TheD1CK wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:"It's what I make of it"
Sorry, but a buggy lobby shooter with low frame rate, dwindling player base, virtually no dev team or resources, nothing ground breaking to speak of, mediocre graphics and a horrendous push and pull of attempted balance was by no means influenced by my cynicism.
You're the ones blinded by optimism, praying for gold while it's you who's holding the piece of crap ;)
No, it's more like acknowledging the fact at the beginning of Dust those with sense knew this would go nowhere for upto and likey past 5years of blood, sweat and tears (I do my part) and ven then we'll have problems, Dust is still much better than many active games for the quality of content, gameplay and the way it pretends to offer some immersion... We do get plagued by gamers addicted to shiny who insist on picking up each new release to play it, get bored, come back here and complain... but after this long it's cute.. and we are glad to welcome you back I haven't been back in over a year, so direct your welcome elsewhere.
I just come here for the laughs. This forum never disappoints. Most fan boys who play this game daily simply don't even give other games a chance, they just pour their money into this and stay, killing the same noobs over and over with the same squads playing the same game modes using the same tactics for years on end.
I just love watching the show, and since my PC is dead right now I have no incentive to log in to record for giggles. There's nothing left to come back to lol. |
501st Headstrong
0uter.Heaven
1
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Posted - 2015.07.16 17:26:00 -
[76] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:"It's what I make of it"
Sorry, but a buggy lobby shooter with low frame rate, dwindling player base, virtually no dev team or resources, nothing ground breaking to speak of, mediocre graphics and a horrendous push and pull of attempted balance was by no means influenced by my cynicism.
You're the ones blinded by optimism, praying for gold while it's you who's holding the piece of crap ;)
What do you play now then? You think we're blind? Dude we know.
Dust is on a 10 year console Dust is losing players Dust needs X, Y, 21367, etc
We know. However we are making do with what we have so that all your qualms have been solvef or are in a far better state following a Port ( and I hope to the gods that they do)
The CPM can't make it rain, but look at all thse games that have claimed will kill Dust. I sure as hell know Im already bored with almost all of them, and I can attest that many people can honestly say Dust is a good game. Full of issues, but the community and when it's working correctly is amazing.
That Dust Fiend is why we continue with the optimism. I'm a Merc damnit, and you can bet I'm keep pewpewing till the servers shut down
"There are no rights. The world owes no one a living."-Sumner
*The Mascot of 0uter.Heaven *
Internet down atm :(
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.07.16 17:27:00 -
[77] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:TheD1CK wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:"It's what I make of it"
Sorry, but a buggy lobby shooter with low frame rate, dwindling player base, virtually no dev team or resources, nothing ground breaking to speak of, mediocre graphics and a horrendous push and pull of attempted balance was by no means influenced by my cynicism.
You're the ones blinded by optimism, praying for gold while it's you who's holding the piece of crap ;)
No, it's more like acknowledging the fact at the beginning of Dust those with sense knew this would go nowhere for upto and likey past 5years of blood, sweat and tears (I do my part) and ven then we'll have problems, Dust is still much better than many active games for the quality of content, gameplay and the way it pretends to offer some immersion... We do get plagued by gamers addicted to shiny who insist on picking up each new release to play it, get bored, come back here and complain... but after this long it's cute.. and we are glad to welcome you back I haven't been back in over a year (for anything more than messing around with the minor patches), so direct your welcome elsewhere. I just come here for the laughs. This forum never disappoints. Most fan boys who play this game daily simply don't even give other games a chance, they just pour their money into this and stay, killing the same noobs over and over with the same squads playing the same game modes using the same tactics for years on end. I just love watching the show, and since my PC is dead right now I have no incentive to log in to record for giggles. There's nothing left to come back to lol.
Aha, a forum lurker.. you go girl ! I'm happy for you
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CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion.
3
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Posted - 2015.07.16 17:29:00 -
[78] - Quote
But I want to vote for you, D1ck.
"Madness how we turned our common-ground into a battle-ground.." - Essa
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.07.16 17:31:00 -
[79] - Quote
CommanderBolt wrote:But I want to vote for you, D1ck.
I'm holding out for the honourary title : CCPeeness skip the CPM paperwork and get to work cracking the whip
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DUST Fiend
17
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Posted - 2015.07.16 17:32:00 -
[80] - Quote
501st Headstrong wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:"It's what I make of it"
Sorry, but a buggy lobby shooter with low frame rate, dwindling player base, virtually no dev team or resources, nothing ground breaking to speak of, mediocre graphics and a horrendous push and pull of attempted balance was by no means influenced by my cynicism.
You're the ones blinded by optimism, praying for gold while it's you who's holding the piece of crap ;)
What do you play now then? You think we're blind? Dude we know. Dust is on a 10 year console Dust is losing players Dust needs X, Y, 21367, etc We know. However we are making do with what we have so that all your qualms have been solvef or are in a far better state following a Port ( and I hope to the gods that they do) The CPM can't make it rain, but look at all thse games that have claimed will kill Dust. I sure as hell know Im already bored with almost all of them, and I can attest that many people can honestly say Dust is a good game. Full of issues, but the community and when it's working correctly is amazing. That Dust Fiend is why we continue with the optimism. I'm a Merc damnit, and you can bet I'm keep pewpewing till the servers shut down I don't want you to stop, nor am I trying to.
I just look at CCPs track record, realize the chances of no port / new game are far higher than getting one, and I see no point in wasting time trying to make water into wine. I've watched amazing ideas and talented players come and go as CCP time and time again shows they simply lack the resources to keep up with the industry.
Perhaps some day they'll surprise me and bring their game up to speed, and if they do I have plenty of ISK and SP and I'll test it out again, but I'm just enjoying other games and living my life. CCP Hilmar has all but abandoned the dream of DUST, so I see no reason to believe CCP wants this game to be taken seriously.
Don't get so rustled up by someone who doesn't even play this game anymore, just keep having fun and carry on.
Or don't, which just keeps me around the forums longer ;) |
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
10
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Posted - 2015.07.16 17:36:00 -
[81] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:DUST Fiend wrote: You're the ones blinded by optimism, praying for gold while it's you who's holding the piece of crap ;)
Optimism? Is this the word for deliberately crashing the ship for insurance monies? If that is the case then yes... Optimism... You can't crash a beached ship
I accept your challenge.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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DUST Fiend
17
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Posted - 2015.07.16 17:37:00 -
[82] - Quote
Breakin Stuff wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:DUST Fiend wrote: You're the ones blinded by optimism, praying for gold while it's you who's holding the piece of crap ;)
Optimism? Is this the word for deliberately crashing the ship for insurance monies? If that is the case then yes... Optimism... You can't crash a beached ship I accept your challenge. *eats popcorn* |
501st Headstrong
0uter.Heaven
1
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Posted - 2015.07.16 17:52:00 -
[83] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:501st Headstrong wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:"It's what I make of it"
Sorry, but a buggy lobby shooter with low frame rate, dwindling player base, virtually no dev team or resources, nothing ground breaking to speak of, mediocre graphics and a horrendous push and pull of attempted balance was by no means influenced by my cynicism.
You're the ones blinded by optimism, praying for gold while it's you who's holding the piece of crap ;)
What do you play now then? You think we're blind? Dude we know. Dust is on a 10 year console Dust is losing players Dust needs X, Y, 21367, etc We know. However we are making do with what we have so that all your qualms have been solvef or are in a far better state following a Port ( and I hope to the gods that they do) The CPM can't make it rain, but look at all thse games that have claimed will kill Dust. I sure as hell know Im already bored with almost all of them, and I can attest that many people can honestly say Dust is a good game. Full of issues, but the community and when it's working correctly is amazing. That Dust Fiend is why we continue with the optimism. I'm a Merc damnit, and you can bet I'm keep pewpewing till the servers shut down I don't want you to stop, nor am I trying to. I just look at CCPs track record, realize the chances of no port / new game are far higher than getting one, and I see no point in wasting time trying to make water into wine. I've watched amazing ideas and talented players come and go as CCP time and time again shows they simply lack the resources to keep up with the industry. Perhaps some day they'll surprise me and bring their game up to speed, and if they do I have plenty of ISK and SP and I'll test it out again, but I'm just enjoying other games and living my life. CCP Hilmar has all but abandoned the dream of DUST, so I see no reason to believe CCP wants this game to be taken seriously. Don't get so rustled up by someone who doesn't even play this game anymore, just keep having fun and carry on. Or don't, which just keeps me around the forums longer ;)
Didn't realize you were trolling lol Apologies 07
"There are no rights. The world owes no one a living."-Sumner
*The Mascot of 0uter.Heaven *
Internet down atm :(
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Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
2
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Posted - 2015.07.16 19:35:00 -
[84] - Quote
Fox Gaden wrote:Talos Vagheitan wrote:501st Headstrong wrote:[quote=TheD1CK]
We all want Dust ported. Till that day however, how we can enrich this beautiful gem on PS3 is all we can do.
This is exactly right. First impressions are very important. Look back at all the initial Dust reviews. Mediocre at best. Dust over-promised and made poor initial impressions, and it's still suffering from that. A lot of the negative critique was valid, but looking back at the video's much of what everyone complained about no longer applies today; the game has really come a very long way since then. I think if Dust were released in 2012 as it is today then it would have fared so much better. Which is why I see this is such a great opportunity right now for Dust. Through many ups and downs Dust has been quietly improving and upgrading since it's release, while people outside this community are barely aware Dust exists. With nearly zero hype to live up to Dust is poised to pounce on next-gem gamers like a tiger. E3 doesn't scare me. Battlefront will be let down, Fallout will be great, but a single player game will never steal an online shooter community, PS2 seems to be popular, but lacks the larger persistent universe of New Eden, Battlefield, CoD, Killzone players are all weary of endless DLC packs, greedy monitization and one-year life spans of games etc. Which is why we need to use the time we have on the PS3 to continue making this game better and better until a port finally happens. Which is why I'm running for CPM2. I'm very optimistic about Dust and see so much potential, and I'd like to help in any way I can. My thoughts exactly. You won my vote with one post! That is impressive.
Stay tuned.
There's more where that came from
Official CPM Platform
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.07.17 14:34:00 -
[85] - Quote
Revive !!! + 90 WP
How many candidates have read this and thought... I aint touchin no peenis.. gtfo
I could care less what your intentions are, but it would be nice to see some back them up when questioned. For bitter-lurkers... Yes CPM is just a title.. they do nothing but sniff farts and praise the poor diets of CCP, but that is exactly why we need to vote for someone who understands the plight .. that farts can be quite smelly sometimes it is better to go outside interact with people and ninja fart.. no one can track them if done in public and everyone gets to taste the refreshment. |
The KTM DuKe
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance
457
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Posted - 2015.07.17 14:37:00 -
[86] - Quote
TheD1CK wrote:Revive !!! + 90 WP How many candidates have read this and thought... I aint touchin no peenis.. gtfo I could care less what your intentions are, but it would be nice to see some back them up when questioned. For bitter-lurkers... Yes CPM is just a title.. they do nothing but sniff farts and praise the poor diets of CCP, but that is exactly why we need to vote for someone who understands the plight .. that farts can be quite smelly sometimes it is better to go outside interact with people and ninja fart.. no one can track them if done in public and everyone gets to taste the refreshment. Really tempted atm to sniff farts all day long lol
From this http://m.imgur.com/K8bTapW to this http://imgur.com/IQiqQ4A
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.07.17 14:40:00 -
[87] - Quote
The KTM DuKe wrote:TheD1CK wrote:Revive !!! + 90 WP How many candidates have read this and thought... I aint touchin no peenis.. gtfo I could care less what your intentions are, but it would be nice to see some back them up when questioned. For bitter-lurkers... Yes CPM is just a title.. they do nothing but sniff farts and praise the poor diets of CCP, but that is exactly why we need to vote for someone who understands the plight .. that farts can be quite smelly sometimes it is better to go outside interact with people and ninja fart.. no one can track them if done in public and everyone gets to taste the refreshment. Really tempted atm to sniff farts all day long lol
gtfo saxonfart.. I'm sure the public fart supply over there is great you know TheD farts are where the action is
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
6
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Posted - 2015.07.18 07:16:00 -
[88] - Quote
TheD1CK wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:My voting list so far: Pokey DravonCross Atu Zaria Min Deir BreakinGÇÖ Stuff Kevall will probably be on there somewhere. I voted for him last time. I donGÇÖt know Talos, so will have to look out for some of his posts. Of course I am not sure who is all running yet. Yes there is still uncertainty about who will run, but the ones working hardest for it are noticable. I updated OP to set Pokey as a solid candidate, I think most of Dust will be hoping he can be the critic that can beat some sense into CCP A lot of mercs thinking about CPM voting will browse this so feedback from candidates is very welcome
I like to think that Rattati and I both react well to a very analytical approach on topics. He's always been very responsive to my discussions with him because I approach things in a very factual manner. So when he comes up with an idea that just doesn't make sense, and I explain to him why it doesn't make sense, he's been very willing to change his position on the topic.
What he doesn't respond to well is emotionally driven rants and demands, which is something I always try to avoid in my conversations.
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
Dust514 // Podcast & Blog
www.biomassed.net
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Operative 1174 Uuali
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
943
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Posted - 2015.07.18 07:39:00 -
[89] - Quote
Thanks for the shout out. Your description of my position is accurate. The casual game has seemed from time to time an anathema to hardcore players. My wishes for tamer or so called "easier" game play need not subvert the wish to also ensure the competitive player gets what they want to. It is just a matter of pub play vs. FW vs. PC.
The idea is that the power player is about the competition and not the flavor of the game. The casual gamer is more an RPer type and wants to feel like the game has a quality of satisfaction through enjoyment of roles and certain gear in the game.
More contrast in everything is the answer. Seems most aspects of the game are too "in the middle" right now. It is as if CCP wants to serve everybody that it ends up not really serving either demographic. I don't think a whole lot of players are in between on their preferences. It's either casual and fun or full on competitive play. No more muddy water!
I really want PC to be more than an epeen thing. Leaderboards? Nah, let's get some of that EVE connection in a simple form that jibes with my initial idea about where CCP might be going with the whole Planetary Interaction thing. That would be the idea that DUST matches would fight over the PI structures of players. Even in high sec this would work with NPC corps randomly wardeccing a players PI command center and initializing a match in DUST. The only info being passed between games is a simple yes or no statement that flags an EVE player's command center as won or lost and therefore destroyed.
Fun, cheap, casual in pubs and high sec. Big, serious, expensive and competitive in null sec. Very lucrative in its own way for FW.
MY CPM2 PLATFORM
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Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
11
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Posted - 2015.07.18 07:42:00 -
[90] - Quote
While I agree that the community needs to make the content in Dust 514, the only way that can happen is if CCP provides the tools with which that content is made. They've done a good job but we're incredibly limited, despite all that Dust 514 is.
We need to get our foot in the door and have more to work with, honestly. There's a lot of candidates out there that make these epic promises but all of it just seems so self important, honestly... Like, virtually every veteran I can think of off the top of my head is running this year and I'm either so jaded that I'm just seeing a big cloud of all the same things or they really are running for all the same things. I dunno. /shrug
I'd rather the community have more opportunities to represent themselves than have these crazy elections where a handful of people toss their hat in and hope for the best. I think we should work toward that.
Volunteer For The PSD!
Design A SKIN 2
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DUST Fiend
17
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Posted - 2015.07.18 07:44:00 -
[91] - Quote
Aeon Amadi wrote:While I agree that the community needs to make the content in Dust 514, the only way that can happen is if CCP provides the tools with which that content is made. They've done a good job but we're incredibly limited, despite all that Dust 514 is.
We need to get our foot in the door and have more to work with, honestly. There's a lot of candidates out there that make these epic promises but all of it just seems so self important, honestly... Like, virtually every veteran I can think of off the top of my head is running this year and I'm either so jaded that I'm just seeing a big cloud of all the same things or they really are running for all the same things. I dunno. /shrug
I'd rather the community have more opportunities to represent themselves than have these crazy elections where a handful of people toss their hat in and hope for the best. I think we should work toward that. We don't even have custom games or spectator modes.
And we were supposed to have arena matches with EVE betting and the whole shabang.
Yea.
Good show.
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
Nos Nothi
3
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Posted - 2015.07.18 07:44:00 -
[92] - Quote
Pokey Dravon wrote:TheD1CK wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:My voting list so far: Pokey DravonCross Atu Zaria Min Deir BreakinGÇÖ Stuff Kevall will probably be on there somewhere. I voted for him last time. I donGÇÖt know Talos, so will have to look out for some of his posts. Of course I am not sure who is all running yet. Yes there is still uncertainty about who will run, but the ones working hardest for it are noticable. I updated OP to set Pokey as a solid candidate, I think most of Dust will be hoping he can be the critic that can beat some sense into CCP A lot of mercs thinking about CPM voting will browse this so feedback from candidates is very welcome I like to think that Rattati and I both react well to a very analytical approach on topics. He's always been very responsive to my discussions with him because I approach things in a very factual manner. So when he comes up with an idea that just doesn't make sense, and I explain to him why it doesn't make sense, he's been very willing to change his position on the topic. What he doesn't respond to well is emotionally driven rants and demands, which is something I always try to avoid in my conversations.
:: seeding a thought ::
He does need to look at more than just the numbers though...and maybe he does, but that's not my perception. This is why having more heads involved is always a good idea to get all angles. Anecdotal and observational evidence has its place. |
Mossellia Delt
Nos Nothi
2
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Posted - 2015.07.18 08:07:00 -
[93] - Quote
I don't think the Weiner likes me=ƒÿÉ
Delt for CPM2
CPM1 MISSION : FAILED
Moss-delt on skype
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Sequal's Back
Dead Man's Game
682
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Posted - 2015.07.18 08:31:00 -
[94] - Quote
Instructions uncleared, voted for TheD1CK
PS: Skrab d1ck, you did this for the likez, ALL FOR THE LIKEZ!!! You forum warrior!!
WON'T YOU PLEASE TAKE ME HOME !
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Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
11
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Posted - 2015.07.18 08:35:00 -
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IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:TheD1CK wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:My voting list so far: Pokey DravonCross Atu Zaria Min Deir BreakinGÇÖ Stuff Kevall will probably be on there somewhere. I voted for him last time. I donGÇÖt know Talos, so will have to look out for some of his posts. Of course I am not sure who is all running yet. Yes there is still uncertainty about who will run, but the ones working hardest for it are noticable. I updated OP to set Pokey as a solid candidate, I think most of Dust will be hoping he can be the critic that can beat some sense into CCP A lot of mercs thinking about CPM voting will browse this so feedback from candidates is very welcome I like to think that Rattati and I both react well to a very analytical approach on topics. He's always been very responsive to my discussions with him because I approach things in a very factual manner. So when he comes up with an idea that just doesn't make sense, and I explain to him why it doesn't make sense, he's been very willing to change his position on the topic. What he doesn't respond to well is emotionally driven rants and demands, which is something I always try to avoid in my conversations. :: seeding a thought :: I feel he can focus too much on numbers though...maybe he does look at other stuff too, but I think too much weight is placed on numbers. This is why having more heads involved is always a good idea to get all angles. Anecdotal and observational evidence has its place as does realising that balance is not necessarily achieved with perfect symmetry
It's important to remember that CCP Rattati is an Engineer, so he's -going- to focus on the numbers first.
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I think including Kirk and mclovin honestly turns it into a popularity contest.
Being perfectly honest I don't have too many problems with Kirk, but he's biased, argumentative, doesn't look all that hard at facts or really concern himself with trying to get to the bottom of things and a whole slew of other negatives... And honestly I don't think I've really seen him do much of any positive contributions to the game (not saying that he hasn't, just that I've never seen him put forth any real effort). Quite a few of these are dealbreakers next to candidates like pokey or cross. Amusingly a decent chunk of these are reasons I myself wouldn't run over or ever vote for myself because of.
Mclovin is someone I only know through FW interactions... And honestly he's a troll, and a bad one at that. When he gets himself kickbanned for constant awoxing & friendly fire he or his friends from OH come to run his mouth in STF, usually on alts. He is singlehandedly (slight exaggeration, his friends 'contribute' too) the reason that Outer Heaven as a corp has almost been removed from state task force. Now add in a lot of the things that I've said about Kirk that probably apply as Mclovin is essentially an unknown and ask yourself do you *really* want someone who behaves in such negative ways so frequently to be a representative of the community? I'd rather have an upstanding, levelheaded, fact oriented person representing me.
I want candidates who are willing to get to the bottom of things and either be knowledgeable, or be willing to communicate with people who are knowledgeable. I'm not interested in biased egomaniacs (eg Viktor Hadah) or trolls (eg spkr4thedead).
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Posted - 2015.07.18 10:12:00 -
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Mina Longstrike wrote:I think including Kirk and mclovin honestly turns it into a popularity contest.
Being perfectly honest I don't have too many problems with Kirk, but he's biased, argumentative, doesn't look all that hard at facts or really concern himself with trying to get to the bottom of things and a whole slew of other negatives... And honestly I don't think I've really seen him do much of any positive contributions to the game (not saying that he hasn't, just that I've never seen him put forth any real effort). Quite a few of these are dealbreakers next to candidates like pokey or cross. Amusingly a decent chunk of these are reasons I myself wouldn't run over or ever vote for myself because of.
Mclovin is someone I only know through FW interactions... And honestly he's a troll, and a bad one at that. When he gets himself kickbanned for constant awoxing & friendly fire he or his friends from OH come to run his mouth in STF, usually on alts. He is singlehandedly (slight exaggeration, his friends 'contribute' too) the reason that Outer Heaven as a corp has almost been removed from state task force. Now add in a lot of the things that I've said about Kirk that probably apply as Mclovin is essentially an unknown and ask yourself do you *really* want someone who behaves in such negative ways so frequently to be a representative of the community? I'd rather have an upstanding, levelheaded, fact oriented person representing me.
I want candidates who are willing to get to the bottom of things and either be knowledgeable, or be willing to communicate with people who are knowledgeable. I'm not interested in biased egomaniacs (eg Viktor Hadah) or trolls (eg spkr4thedead).
Kirk is an FW guy and pretty much -is- Lucent Echelon. I think we'd all really appreciate it if you would provide evidence of his bias instead of simply claiming that he is. Same thing with Viktor. I don't even like Viktor but I don't feel he's bias, so please provide support for your arguments.
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Posted - 2015.07.18 10:15:00 -
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It's very simple:
It's not a matter of "do I like these people."
It is a matter of "Do I think these people will genuinely push progress to improve the game, spot break points, address exploits and endorse ideas that can improve the quality of the game?"
I'll be the first to admit. Some of my more fond ideas are ones I culled from other people. Most of them are from over a year ago, so I cannot remember WHO was the original poster.
One of the ideas I can confirm came from a person who I wouldn't **** on to put a fire out. Doesn't mean that person didn't have anything good to contribute.
Look at the people running. Look at the legwork they do.
Do they contribute? If yes, vote for them.
WILL they contribute? If yes, vote for them.
Do you feel someone else will do a better job? Then vote for that guy.
I'm a very results-driven individual. I don't give a rat's ass if I like you if what you say has a provable foundation. I value function over form, balance and parity, and because it's a game, the focus should be on making it more enjoyable to play at every turn.
If I'm not elected, cross and pokey are at the top of my list because cross has proven that he can get things running, and I work well with pokey because he provides excellent input.
He also doesn't agree with me unless he feels my data justifies it.
The odds of either playing "yes man" rapidly approach zero once you start poking at how they do things.
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Posted - 2015.07.18 10:39:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:It's very simple:
It's not a matter of "do I like these people."
It is a matter of "Do I think these people will genuinely push progress to improve the game, spot break points, address exploits and endorse ideas that can improve the quality of the game?"
I'll be the first to admit. Some of my more fond ideas are ones I culled from other people. Most of them are from over a year ago, so I cannot remember WHO was the original poster.
One of the ideas I can confirm came from a person who I wouldn't **** on to put a fire out. Doesn't mean that person didn't have anything good to contribute.
Look at the people running. Look at the legwork they do.
Do they contribute? If yes, vote for them.
WILL they contribute? If yes, vote for them.
Do you feel someone else will do a better job? Then vote for that guy.
I'm a very results-driven individual. I don't give a rat's ass if I like you if what you say has a provable foundation. I value function over form, balance and parity, and because it's a game, the focus should be on making it more enjoyable to play at every turn.
If I'm not elected, cross and pokey are at the top of my list because cross has proven that he can get things running, and I work well with pokey because he provides excellent input.
He also doesn't agree with me unless he feels my data justifies it.
The odds of either playing "yes man" rapidly approach zero once you start poking at how they do things.
I feel Pokey is -too- data driven and doesn't accept input on how something feels. Pokey is, in my mind, a chess master. He'll know all the moves, he'll know all the strategies, and all the inner workings but in the end chess is a dead-end game because there are only so many set strategies and even modern chess masters struggle to find new ways to go about the game. That's a factor of something being -too- balanced and data driven.
Games need to have some level of perfect imbalance and be driven by counters rather than hardcore numbers or they become stale. Don't get me wrong, Pokey is a great guy when it comes to the nitty-gritty of those hard to balance number games, but his stubbornness in that field makes him difficult to work with as far as conceptualization and design - the feel of something as opposed to the mechanics of it.
S'for that reason I feel my vote is better placed elsewhere, honestly.
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Posted - 2015.07.18 10:44:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:It's very simple:
It's not a matter of "do I like these people."
It is a matter of "Do I think these people will genuinely push progress to improve the game, spot break points, address exploits and endorse ideas that can improve the quality of the game?"
I'll be the first to admit. Some of my more fond ideas are ones I culled from other people. Most of them are from over a year ago, so I cannot remember WHO was the original poster.
One of the ideas I can confirm came from a person who I wouldn't **** on to put a fire out. Doesn't mean that person didn't have anything good to contribute.
Look at the people running. Look at the legwork they do.
Do they contribute? If yes, vote for them.
WILL they contribute? If yes, vote for them.
Do you feel someone else will do a better job? Then vote for that guy.
I'm a very results-driven individual. I don't give a rat's ass if I like you if what you say has a provable foundation. I value function over form, balance and parity, and because it's a game, the focus should be on making it more enjoyable to play at every turn.
If I'm not elected, cross and pokey are at the top of my list because cross has proven that he can get things running, and I work well with pokey because he provides excellent input.
He also doesn't agree with me unless he feels my data justifies it.
The odds of either playing "yes man" rapidly approach zero once you start poking at how they do things.
It is an election.
Players are free to vote for who ever they choose to based on what ever arbitrary (or not) reason they feel like.
Want to vote for the candidate who has the lowest monthly WP? Go right ahead.
Want to vote for the candidate who you had the longest skype chat with? Fine, do that.
Don't want to vote? That is quite alright, no one is going to force you.
Want to vote for the candidate who only makes YouTube videos of minecraft? Cool, doo eet!
Want to vote only for alliance members? Good job, you are doing your duty to alliance x!
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Posted - 2015.07.18 10:47:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:There is creating content...
Now there is a thought, we can always create some additional "content" by voting for the candidates who are least likely to do a good job, or most likely to get kicked off the CPM...
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Posted - 2015.07.18 10:57:00 -
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Haerr wrote:TheD1CK wrote:There is creating content... Now there is a thought, we can always create some additional "content" by voting for the candidates who are least likely to do a good job, or most likely to get kicked off the CPM...
lol, we've been here before
Youtube is NO way a requirement, it's actually the opposite as I tried to point out to IWS before the last election.. is someone who is trying to scratch pennies together by making YT videos an ideal candidate for a voluntary position ??
I don't think so and results speak for themselves after last year
Any remark I have made at 'content' is aimed at either the useful and welcoming discussions we see from Cross Atu and others, along with in-game content.. creating events or reaching out to the community you represent if you can make a video while doing this, that may get you a pat on the back, but I can't say it does anything for in-game content |
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Posted - 2015.07.18 11:05:00 -
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Perhaps we can combine the different kinds of content?
Like CPM meets Survivor? They start out as 12 and then one by one we vote them off the CPM? >:)
Naturally we would need weekly episodes to follow the CPM...
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Posted - 2015.07.18 11:13:00 -
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Pokey makes good points on exactly why CCP do not communicate often with most players, but I'm not the one running for CPM so I lose nothing by not taking this as seriously and factual as they might like, I am anecdotal evidence
10% of the Dust community can engage in thoughtful, logic based discussion while the remainder are those who fill emotional rants that get them nowhere and they walk away feeling that no-one gives a damn in the first place, hence the really low number of players interacting within these Forums (Douche514 Forums) I don't blame them I have seen first hand the sh!t the monkeys throw at you when they want a disagreement, 80% of arguments are won by the better logic, while the better point is lost.
Mina, the remark for mclovin is a troll, fight fire with fire if that's enough to gain him some votes then the voters deserve to be castrated so we don't fear them reproducing and inflicting us with stupid. On the otherhand 'Sgt Kirk' squad leader and organiser for a GalFW group, seeing as I am biased towards those I think will have an in-game impact, why note choose him? We need CPM who can deal with a room full of bloodhungry mercs and show us that we voted for Players, not just Speakers
Delt.. if you're more worried about the weiner not liking you (I do btw) than posting some reasons you would make a good CPM maybe even that crazy ass option of adding something to the discussion at hand would work for you?? Most of Dust are aware you want to be CPM, you need to show what you will add to the table, how will you interact with the community?? |
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Posted - 2015.07.18 11:14:00 -
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Haerr wrote:Perhaps we can combine the different kinds of content?
Like CPM meets Survivor? They start out as 12 and then one by one they vote each other off the CPM? >:)
Naturally we would need weekly episodes to follow the CPM...
I fully support this idea.
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TheD1CK
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Posted - 2015.07.18 11:36:00 -
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Sequal's Back wrote:Instructions uncleared, voted for TheD1CK
PS: Skrab d1ck, you did this for the likez, ALL FOR THE LIKEZ!!! You forum warrior!!
All this talk of epeens around here, you'd hope that Dusties enjoy looking a one, jeez And if you count the amount of dislikes I would have got I would have -25,672 likes
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Posted - 2015.07.18 11:41:00 -
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ON TOPIC.
Has this post been of use to those deciding their votes?? have I spewwed enough propaganda to pollute the votes so they line up with my own evil, greed driven intentions for being a CPM puppetmaster ???
I hope so, Slavery does not pay well enough
Being serious(ish) I do hope this post raises some good points along with teh lulz for Dust gamers interested in the CPM.
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Posted - 2015.07.18 11:45:00 -
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You would be incorrect.
I am actually more data-driven. I am merely better at putting it into context for other people.
Pokeys points of contention with me have nothing to do with data points. They have to do with practical application functionality and ease-of-use as well as personal aggravation factor.
I firmly believe that you have misjudged him.
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TheD1CK
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Posted - 2015.07.18 11:51:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:You would be incorrect. I am actually more data-driven. I am merely better at putting it into context for other people. Pokeys points of contention with me have nothing to do with data points. They have to do with practical application functionality and ease-of-use as well as personal aggravation factor. I firmly believe that you have misjudged him.
I'd agree with this, it's why you'll likely get voted for without even trying to gain any votes, I think Breakin is the rare-gem that will look at things both factual and from anecdotal experience, along with being able to post feedback that all gamers will relate to
A lot of us don't come here to debate, which happens way to often rather than just discussions being open, at least with Breakin Stuff he will just flat out tell you your wrong, take your logic and beat some sense into you with it
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.07.18 12:45:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:You would be incorrect. I am actually more data-driven. I am merely better at putting it into context for other people. Pokeys points of contention with me have nothing to do with data points. They have to do with practical application functionality and ease-of-use as well as personal aggravation factor. I firmly believe that you have misjudged him. I'd agree with this, it's why you'll likely get voted for without even trying to gain any votes, I think Breakin is the rare-gem that will look at things both factual and from anecdotal experience, along with being able to post feedback that all gamers will relate to A lot of us don't come here to debate, which happens way to often rather than just discussions being open, at least with Breakin Stuff he will just flat out tell you your wrong, take your logic and beat some sense into you with it
Opinions about people are never wrong, sorry to break your heart. I'm not 'wrong' because of the way I feel about someone. Maybe I misjudged him, maybe I misunderstand him, maybe I misinterpret him - doesn't make the feeling I get from the guy 'wrong'.
But, that's the core of my issue with Pokey, isn't it..?
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TheD1CK wrote:Pokey makes good points on exactly why CCP do not communicate often with most players, but I'm not the one running for CPM so I lose nothing by not taking this as seriously and factual as they might like, I am anecdotal evidence 10% of the Dust community can engage in thoughtful, logic based discussion while the remainder are those who fill emotional rants that get them nowhere and they walk away feeling that no-one gives a damn in the first place, hence the really low number of players interacting within these Forums (Douche514 Forums) I don't blame them I have seen first hand the sh!t the monkeys throw at you when they want a disagreement, 80% of arguments are won by the better logic, while the better point is lost. Mina, the remark for mclovin is a troll, fight fire with fire if that's enough to gain him some votes then the voters deserve to be castrated so we don't fear them reproducing and inflicting us with stupid. On the otherhand 'Sgt Kirk' squad leader and organiser for a GalFW group, seeing as I am biased towards those I think will have an in-game impact, why note choose him? We need CPM who can deal with a room full of bloodhungry mercs and show us that we voted for Players, not just Speakers Delt.. if you're more worried about the weiner not liking you (I do btw) than posting some reasons you would make a good CPM maybe even that crazy ass option of adding something to the discussion at hand would work for you?? Most of Dust are aware you want to be CPM, you need to show what you will add to the table, how will you interact with the community??
The Weiner comment was made in jest, to add to this conversation I will say I think the players in game really need to join the group chat in game that I made (CPM2 Candidates) and squad up and talk to the candidates themselves, in 'person' and really get to know them. I have always been a fan of 1 on 1 communication and larger communication between the community and myself so they get to know the real person.
Also, still playing mfw? Havent squared in a while.
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Posted - 2015.07.18 12:53:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:
I like to think that Rattati and I both react well to a very analytical approach on topics. He's always been very responsive to my discussions with him because I approach things in a very factual manner. So when he comes up with an idea that just doesn't make sense, and I explain to him why it doesn't make sense, he's been very willing to change his position on the topic.
What he doesn't respond to well is emotionally driven rants and demands, which is something I always try to avoid in my conversations.
:: seeding a thought :: I feel he can focus too much on numbers though...maybe he does look at other stuff too, but I think too much weight is placed on numbers. This is why having more heads involved is always a good idea to get all angles. Anecdotal and observational evidence has its place as does realising that balance is not necessarily achieved with perfect symmetry It's important to remember that CCP Rattati is an Engineer, so he's -going- to focus on the numbers first.
Exactly why I mentioned it - because putting like-minded alongside him (as in Pokey's example) misses the other aspects, as you and others have already pointed out in later posts re: how stuff *feels*.
Instead of (or indeed as well as!) breaking down into small groups of like-minded and having isolated discussions, then rejoining to disagree with equivalent other groups, inclusive discussion involving all the types involved should achieve better results.
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Posted - 2015.07.18 12:59:00 -
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IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:
I like to think that Rattati and I both react well to a very analytical approach on topics. He's always been very responsive to my discussions with him because I approach things in a very factual manner. So when he comes up with an idea that just doesn't make sense, and I explain to him why it doesn't make sense, he's been very willing to change his position on the topic.
What he doesn't respond to well is emotionally driven rants and demands, which is something I always try to avoid in my conversations.
:: seeding a thought :: I feel he can focus too much on numbers though...maybe he does look at other stuff too, but I think too much weight is placed on numbers. This is why having more heads involved is always a good idea to get all angles. Anecdotal and observational evidence has its place as does realising that balance is not necessarily achieved with perfect symmetry It's important to remember that CCP Rattati is an Engineer, so he's -going- to focus on the numbers first. Exactly why I mentioned it - because putting like-minded alongside him (as in Pokey's example) misses the other aspects, as you and others have already pointed out in later posts re: how stuff *feels*. Instead of (or indeed as well as!) breaking down into small groups of like-minded and having isolated discussions, then rejoining to disagree with equivalent other groups, inclusive discussion involving all the types involved should achieve better results.
Couldn't agree more.
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IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:
I like to think that Rattati and I both react well to a very analytical approach on topics. He's always been very responsive to my discussions with him because I approach things in a very factual manner. So when he comes up with an idea that just doesn't make sense, and I explain to him why it doesn't make sense, he's been very willing to change his position on the topic.
What he doesn't respond to well is emotionally driven rants and demands, which is something I always try to avoid in my conversations.
:: seeding a thought :: I feel he can focus too much on numbers though...maybe he does look at other stuff too, but I think too much weight is placed on numbers. This is why having more heads involved is always a good idea to get all angles. Anecdotal and observational evidence has its place as does realising that balance is not necessarily achieved with perfect symmetry It's important to remember that CCP Rattati is an Engineer, so he's -going- to focus on the numbers first. Exactly why I mentioned it - because putting like-minded alongside him (as in Pokey's example) misses the other aspects, as you and others have already pointed out in later posts re: how stuff *feels*. Instead of (or indeed as well as!) breaking down into small groups of like-minded and having isolated discussions, then rejoining to disagree with equivalent other groups, inclusive discussion involving all the types involved should achieve better results.
This guy gets it. Anyone else catching on??
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TheD1CK
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Posted - 2015.07.18 13:22:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:TheD1CK wrote:Pokey makes good points on exactly why CCP do not communicate often with most players, but I'm not the one running for CPM so I lose nothing by not taking this as seriously and factual as they might like, I am anecdotal evidence 10% of the Dust community can engage in thoughtful, logic based discussion while the remainder are those who fill emotional rants that get them nowhere and they walk away feeling that no-one gives a damn in the first place, hence the really low number of players interacting within these Forums (Douche514 Forums) I don't blame them I have seen first hand the sh!t the monkeys throw at you when they want a disagreement, 80% of arguments are won by the better logic, while the better point is lost. Mina, the remark for mclovin is a troll, fight fire with fire if that's enough to gain him some votes then the voters deserve to be castrated so we don't fear them reproducing and inflicting us with stupid. On the otherhand 'Sgt Kirk' squad leader and organiser for a GalFW group, seeing as I am biased towards those I think will have an in-game impact, why note choose him? We need CPM who can deal with a room full of bloodhungry mercs and show us that we voted for Players, not just Speakers Delt.. if you're more worried about the weiner not liking you (I do btw) than posting some reasons you would make a good CPM maybe even that crazy ass option of adding something to the discussion at hand would work for you?? Most of Dust are aware you want to be CPM, you need to show what you will add to the table, how will you interact with the community?? The Weiner comment was made in jest, to add to this conversation I will say I think the players in game really need to join the group chat in game that I made (CPM2 Candidates) and squad up and talk to the candidates themselves, in 'person' and really get to know them. I have always been a fan of 1 on 1 communication and larger communication between the community and myself so they get to know the real person. Also, still playing mfw? Havent squared in a while.
That's one option having chats in-game, there should be channels dedicated to this, though many mercs like myself avoid having numerous chats active so they may not get much use. Getting the know the person is one option, but that person making the effort to know the community they represent should be more important (it's not like there are many left) so getting through them all can't be too much work.
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Posted - 2015.07.18 13:44:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:TheD1CK wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:You would be incorrect. I am actually more data-driven. I am merely better at putting it into context for other people. Pokeys points of contention with me have nothing to do with data points. They have to do with practical application functionality and ease-of-use as well as personal aggravation factor. I firmly believe that you have misjudged him. I'd agree with this, it's why you'll likely get voted for without even trying to gain any votes, I think Breakin is the rare-gem that will look at things both factual and from anecdotal experience, along with being able to post feedback that all gamers will relate to A lot of us don't come here to debate, which happens way to often rather than just discussions being open, at least with Breakin Stuff he will just flat out tell you your wrong, take your logic and beat some sense into you with it Opinions about people are never wrong, sorry to break your heart. I'm not 'wrong' because of the way I feel about someone. Maybe I misjudged him, maybe I misunderstand him, maybe I misinterpret him - doesn't make the feeling I get from the guy 'wrong'. But, that's the core of my issue with Pokey, isn't it..?
Wrong was a poor choice of wording then. Touch+¬.
But I stand by the belief that there's a bit more than one might initially believe there.
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MINA Longstrike
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Aeon, kirks bias is pretty clear and if I wasn't on my phone I could go grab some of the stuff Nothi has documented. On a tangent, opinions about people *can* be wrong, they are based in feeling not fact. Opinions are by definition fallible as they're not facts - you're allowed to have your world view and dislike things for whatever reasons but that doesn't prevent it from being wrong. There is a big difference between an opinion and an informed opinion.
D1ck, being a good squadlead isn't something I'd consider all that important. Again, not trying to diminish or belittle him but if both Kirk and I were to run I'd vote for neither of us for mostly the same reasons, we'd probably be better than some, but not as good as many others.
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.07.18 17:40:00 -
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Mina Longstrike wrote:Aeon, kirks bias is pretty clear and if I wasn't on my phone I could go grab some of the stuff Nothi has documented. On a tangent, opinions about people *can* be wrong, they are based in feeling not fact. Opinions are by definition fallible as they're not facts - you're allowed to have your world view and dislike things for whatever reasons but that doesn't prevent it from being wrong. There is a big difference between an opinion and an informed opinion.
D1ck, being a good squadlead isn't something I'd consider all that important. Again, not trying to diminish or belittle him but if both Kirk and I were to run I'd vote for neither of us for mostly the same reasons, we'd probably be better than some, but not as good as many others.
For dealing with CCP no, but if CPM had more in-game activity that could be an asset, either way being a squad lead, what is the first requirement there?? Knowing the in's and out's of the game and managing players.. I think that could be of some use to CPM, and until you do post your stuff it does seem like you are trying to diminish and belittle him tbqh
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.07.18 19:12:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Mina Longstrike wrote:Aeon, kirks bias is pretty clear and if I wasn't on my phone I could go grab some of the stuff Nothi has documented. On a tangent, opinions about people *can* be wrong, they are based in feeling not fact. Opinions are by definition fallible as they're not facts - you're allowed to have your world view and dislike things for whatever reasons but that doesn't prevent it from being wrong. There is a big difference between an opinion and an informed opinion.
D1ck, being a good squadlead isn't something I'd consider all that important. Again, not trying to diminish or belittle him but if both Kirk and I were to run I'd vote for neither of us for mostly the same reasons, we'd probably be better than some, but not as good as many others.
For dealing with CCP no, but if CPM had more in-game activity that could be an asset, either way being a squad lead, what is the first requirement there?? Knowing the in's and out's of the game and managing players.. I think that could be of some use to CPM, and until you do post your stuff it does seem like you are trying to diminish and belittle him tbqh
Mina, to me, is one of those crazy "anti team green" tinfoilers who thinks that because a person has a Gallente forum avatar they're somehow aligned to making Gallente OP and bringing everyone else down and that is all he will see regardless of rhyme, reason, or evidence. It's incredible how of all the races that get brought up for debate on the forums, Gallente are the only ones that are ever bias...
I stopped dealing with him [Mina] a while back because as much as I tried to read between the lines of what he was trying to say it always came off as the same thing: He's right and everyone else is wrong. I mean, hell, even when it comes to opinions and intuition he's still trying to contradict people and tell them that they're somehow erroneous.
Suppose we'll just have to wait for this aforementioned evidence.
EDIT: But, yanno, it'll probably be the same thing it always is when someone claims bias: Cherry picked posts from months/years ago that extrapolate only a certain outlook while ignoring any other factor or variable that would conflict with that evidence...
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2015.07.18 19:46:00 -
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Breakin is correct in that typically my issue with his designs are "Well it seems to check out mathematically, but we really need to to test it in the field to see how it plays and feels" and Breakin usually responds with "***** please my numbers are 1337 as ****" and I nod approvingly and insist we still need to test it in game, and he nods approvingly, and then we shake our fists at a lack of a proper testing environment.
I mean here's the deal for me. Numbers are great, I love working with them because they're very good at getting you close to the right answer. Unfortunately they really suck at fine tuning, simply because it is impossible to quantify every aspect of gameplay. So while you can get close to the right answer with a spreadsheet, you need to test that data in game and then make minor adjustments accordingly based on how it feels and performs.
What I don't react well to is feedback that calls for drastic changes and is based entirely off of how something feels. As an extreme example, players like spkr4thedead would try to argue "Tanks are underpowered, buff base hp to 12,000 so they're at least viable." Which doesn't even make sense.
I'm short, its fine to base minor changes off of how something feels and performs in the field. But for drastic changes, I'm always going to go the numbers first because they are more reliable in that particular application.
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Mina Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2015.07.19 02:48:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Mina, to me, is one of those crazy "anti team green" tinfoilers who thinks that because a person has a Gallente forum avatar they're somehow aligned to making Gallente OP and bringing everyone else down and that is all he will see regardless of rhyme, reason, or evidence. It's incredible how of all the races that get brought up for debate on the forums, Gallente are the only ones that are ever bias...
I stopped dealing with him [Mina] a while back because as much as I tried to read between the lines of what he was trying to say it always came off as the same thing: He's right and everyone else is wrong. I mean, hell, even when it comes to opinions and intuition he's still trying to contradict people and tell them that they're somehow erroneous.
Suppose we'll just have to wait for this aforementioned evidence.
EDIT: But, yanno, it'll probably be the same thing it always is when someone claims bias: Cherry picked posts from months/years ago that extrapolate only a certain outlook while ignoring any other factor or variable that would conflict with that evidence...
Sorry it took me so long to respond to this. I couldn't quite do your bullshit justice while I was on mobile for most of the day.
I am not 'anti-gallente' in any way, I actually try to keep balance in mind for any and all of my suggestions. However when balance problems come up for gallente weapons, quite a few members of 'team green' have either insisted nothing is wrong, or have insisted that [thing] being overpowered is totally okay. I tend to pay more attention to 'team green' because of my own leanings but that doesn't mean that no one else has ever been biased on the forums ever, or that I've never taken exception to them being idiots about it. As a brief example... I'm pretty sure that you think absolutely nothing is wrong with myo stacked fits... despite the fact that they are demonstrably missing a stacking penalty on their jump speed... and I'm sure that something that's so clearly broken wouldn't be abused by you at all, Oh wait, you run myo stacked fits all the time and are literally exploiting something that is broken and not working properly.
You stopped 'dealing' with me because I tend to point out when you act like a child, find fundamental flaws with your ideas and ask you questions that you find uncomfortable about those flaws, or I openly and aggressively contradict your whiny self-aggrandizing little crap (usually "waah i'm such a victim" crap). I don't really expect someone who acts like a child so often to be capable of 'dealing' with someone who usually acts like an adult.
I'm entirely willing to admit when I'm wrong Aeon... provided I'm actually wrong, and usually I am not. I will admit that I am stubborn individual and I love a good argument, I pride myself on having a decently wide range of knowledge about a lot of subjects and when I approach a discussion I tend to approach it armed with facts, evidence, knowledge and well reasoned arguments... To you this may come off as an "I'm right and you're wrong and I'm going to be condescending about it", and it probably on some level is because generally when I get into these 'discussions' I am right and the other person is wrong, demonstrably so.
About your 'opinions and intuition', those can certainly be wrong as the brain likes to do these fun little things called logical fallacies, or people like to make kneejerk 'judgements' based on incorrect or incomplete information. There is a world of difference between opinion (which is fallible) and informed opinion (which is supported by facts, evidence and well reasoned arguments). Christ they teach this **** in ****ING ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, are you honestly telling me that you are incapable of more intelligent and developed reasoning than CHILDREN aeon? These are basic critical thinking skills that move people away from making judgements predicated on unsubstantiated opinions and sentiments. Critical thought is how we come to and find TRUTHS.
Intuition is not a truth - it is a rush of thoughts and feelings, it can be a source of a truth that is later confirmed by rigorous examination, but it is not a truth itself. The same is true of opinion.
I know its horrifying sorcery to suggest this, but there are things in this universe that can be known, and it is possible to demonstrate them, because they are known.
Maybe I should differentiate 'opinion' and 'informed opinion' the way professors do... with the terms 'opinion' and 'informed understanding', because that better represents the difference between the two.
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.07.19 03:40:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Breakin is correct in that typically my issue with his designs are "Well it seems to check out mathematically, but we really need to to test it in the field to see how it plays and feels" and Breakin usually responds with "***** please my numbers are 1337 as ****" and I nod approvingly and insist we still need to test it in game, and he nods approvingly, and then we shake our fists at a lack of a proper testing environment.
I mean here's the deal for me. Numbers are great, I love working with them because they're very good at getting you close to the right answer. Unfortunately they really suck at fine tuning, simply because it is impossible to quantify every aspect of gameplay. So while you can get close to the right answer with a spreadsheet, you need to test that data in game and then make minor adjustments accordingly based on how it feels and performs.
What I don't react well to is feedback that calls for drastic changes and is based entirely off of how something feels. As an extreme example, players like spkr4thedead would try to argue "Tanks are underpowered, buff base hp to 12,000 so they're at least viable." Which doesn't even make sense.
I'm short, its fine to base minor changes off of how something feels and performs in the field. But for drastic changes, I'm always going to go the numbers first because they are more reliable in that particular application.
A primary example of what I was referring to, and why I prioritize the "feel" of something, is Myrofibrils. If you remember we argued to death about this on Skype. If memory serves you said that it broke immersion and supported your arguments through the numbers and I even supported your arguments that they were, in fact, broken, through that one youtube video and accompanying thread showing the trigonometry of the jump height and the gains therein.
Run-on sentences aside, if you remember, I made it very well known that while I thought 4 and 5 Myros were completely and rambunctiously excessive (which they were) I felt that 3 was the butterzone. It added tactical viability through mobility, allowed more plentiful strategic options, and invalidated a lot of really stupid tactics (high ground camping). If you remember, I was also very, VERY adamant about retaining this aspect of gameplay and am still a strong supporter of it.
The "feel" of being a super soldier goes beyond just slight changes in numbers on a spreadsheet. Shield Extenders and Armor Plates are fundamentally the same exact thing: Varying increases in HP. While those offer a slightly different experience (whether you live or die) doesn't add up to the feeling of leaping onto a cargo container and getting the drop on an un-prepared enemy.
If it's one thing I've always stood by it is that Dust 514 needs more sci-fi and less modern shooter. And though I admittedly got pretty heated when I felt you were backing me into a corner in that argument on Myros, I feel as though we reached a pretty decent solution in that you can only fit three myros on a suit now. I'm happy that resolution played out like it did.... but it could have been much worse.
Just providing an example of what I'm talking about. The "feel" of the game isn't just minor variations on a spreadsheet, it is the core design of the game. We are super soldiers. We should feel like super soldiers.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2015.07.19 06:29:00 -
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Well that's not really an example of me not taking the feedback of someone's 'feel' because I'm focused on numerical data. In the example you're referring to, we were simply disagreeing on your qualitative opinion of myofibs vs my qualitative opinion on myofibs.
I'm not exactly sure how you thought I was supporting my position with numbers other that "I don't think people should be able to jump 30 feet in the air on a whim".
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.07.19 08:46:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Well that's not really an example of me not taking the feedback of someone's 'feel' because I'm focused on numerical data. In the example you're referring to, we were simply disagreeing on your qualitative opinion of myofibs vs my qualitative opinion on myofibs.
I'm not exactly sure how you thought I was supporting my position with numbers other that "I don't think people should be able to jump 30 feet in the air on a whim".
Kay.
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JARREL THOMAS
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.07.19 09:04:00 -
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D1CK what have you done...
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JARREL THOMAS
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.07.19 09:05:00 -
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Mina Longstrike wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Mina, to me, is one of those crazy "anti team green" tinfoilers who thinks that because a person has a Gallente forum avatar they're somehow aligned to making Gallente OP and bringing everyone else down and that is all he will see regardless of rhyme, reason, or evidence. It's incredible how of all the races that get brought up for debate on the forums, Gallente are the only ones that are ever bias...
I stopped dealing with him [Mina] a while back because as much as I tried to read between the lines of what he was trying to say it always came off as the same thing: He's right and everyone else is wrong. I mean, hell, even when it comes to opinions and intuition he's still trying to contradict people and tell them that they're somehow erroneous.
Suppose we'll just have to wait for this aforementioned evidence.
EDIT: But, yanno, it'll probably be the same thing it always is when someone claims bias: Cherry picked posts from months/years ago that extrapolate only a certain outlook while ignoring any other factor or variable that would conflict with that evidence... Sorry it took me so long to respond to this. I couldn't quite do your bullshit justice while I was on mobile for most of the day. I am not 'anti-gallente' in any way, I actually try to keep balance in mind for any and all of my suggestions. However when balance problems come up for gallente weapons, quite a few members of 'team green' have either insisted nothing is wrong, or have insisted that [thing] being overpowered is totally okay. I tend to pay more attention to 'team green' because of my own leanings but that doesn't mean that no one else has ever been biased on the forums ever, or that I've never taken exception to them being idiots about it. As a brief example... I'm pretty sure that you think absolutely nothing is wrong with myo stacked fits... despite the fact that they are demonstrably missing a stacking penalty on their jump speed... and I'm sure that something that's so clearly broken wouldn't be abused by you at all, Oh wait, you run myo stacked fits all the time and are literally exploiting something that is broken and not working properly. You stopped 'dealing' with me because I tend to point out when you act like a child, find fundamental flaws with your ideas and ask you questions that you find uncomfortable about those flaws, or I openly and aggressively contradict your whiny self-aggrandizing little crap (usually "waah i'm such a victim" crap). I don't really expect someone who acts like a child so often to be capable of 'dealing' with someone who usually acts like an adult. I'm entirely willing to admit when I'm wrong Aeon... provided I'm actually wrong, and usually I am not. I will admit that I am stubborn individual and I love a good argument, I pride myself on having a decently wide range of knowledge about a lot of subjects and when I approach a discussion I tend to approach it armed with facts, evidence, knowledge and well reasoned arguments... To you this may come off as an "I'm right and you're wrong and I'm going to be condescending about it", and it probably on some level is because generally when I get into these 'discussions' I am right and the other person is wrong, demonstrably so. About your 'opinions and intuition', those can certainly be wrong as the brain likes to do these fun little things called logical fallacies, or people like to make kneejerk 'judgements' based on incorrect or incomplete information. There is a world of difference between opinion (which is fallible) and informed opinion (which is supported by facts, evidence and well reasoned arguments). Christ they teach this **** in ****ING ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, are you honestly telling me that you are incapable of more intelligent and developed reasoning than CHILDREN aeon? These are basic critical thinking skills that move people away from making judgements predicated on unsubstantiated opinions and sentiments. Critical thought is how we come to and find TRUTHS. Intuition is not a truth - it is a rush of thoughts and feelings, it can be a source of a truth that is later confirmed by rigorous examination, but it is not a truth itself. The same is true of opinion. I know its horrifying sorcery to suggest this, but there are things in this universe that can be known, and it is possible to demonstrate them, because they are known. Maybe I should differentiate 'opinion' and 'informed opinion' the way professors do... with the terms 'opinion' and 'informed understanding', because that better represents the difference between the two. Didn't that whole team green thing happen 1 month ago?
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.07.19 09:12:00 -
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JARREL THOMAS wrote:Mina Longstrike wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Mina, to me, is one of those crazy "anti team green" tinfoilers who thinks that because a person has a Gallente forum avatar they're somehow aligned to making Gallente OP and bringing everyone else down and that is all he will see regardless of rhyme, reason, or evidence. It's incredible how of all the races that get brought up for debate on the forums, Gallente are the only ones that are ever bias...
I stopped dealing with him [Mina] a while back because as much as I tried to read between the lines of what he was trying to say it always came off as the same thing: He's right and everyone else is wrong. I mean, hell, even when it comes to opinions and intuition he's still trying to contradict people and tell them that they're somehow erroneous.
Suppose we'll just have to wait for this aforementioned evidence.
EDIT: But, yanno, it'll probably be the same thing it always is when someone claims bias: Cherry picked posts from months/years ago that extrapolate only a certain outlook while ignoring any other factor or variable that would conflict with that evidence... Sorry it took me so long to respond to this. I couldn't quite do your bullshit justice while I was on mobile for most of the day. I am not 'anti-gallente' in any way, I actually try to keep balance in mind for any and all of my suggestions. However when balance problems come up for gallente weapons, quite a few members of 'team green' have either insisted nothing is wrong, or have insisted that [thing] being overpowered is totally okay. I tend to pay more attention to 'team green' because of my own leanings but that doesn't mean that no one else has ever been biased on the forums ever, or that I've never taken exception to them being idiots about it. As a brief example... I'm pretty sure that you think absolutely nothing is wrong with myo stacked fits... despite the fact that they are demonstrably missing a stacking penalty on their jump speed... and I'm sure that something that's so clearly broken wouldn't be abused by you at all, Oh wait, you run myo stacked fits all the time and are literally exploiting something that is broken and not working properly. You stopped 'dealing' with me because I tend to point out when you act like a child, find fundamental flaws with your ideas and ask you questions that you find uncomfortable about those flaws, or I openly and aggressively contradict your whiny self-aggrandizing little crap (usually "waah i'm such a victim" crap). I don't really expect someone who acts like a child so often to be capable of 'dealing' with someone who usually acts like an adult. I'm entirely willing to admit when I'm wrong Aeon... provided I'm actually wrong, and usually I am not. I will admit that I am stubborn individual and I love a good argument, I pride myself on having a decently wide range of knowledge about a lot of subjects and when I approach a discussion I tend to approach it armed with facts, evidence, knowledge and well reasoned arguments... To you this may come off as an "I'm right and you're wrong and I'm going to be condescending about it", and it probably on some level is because generally when I get into these 'discussions' I am right and the other person is wrong, demonstrably so. About your 'opinions and intuition', those can certainly be wrong as the brain likes to do these fun little things called logical fallacies, or people like to make kneejerk 'judgements' based on incorrect or incomplete information. There is a world of difference between opinion (which is fallible) and informed opinion (which is supported by facts, evidence and well reasoned arguments). Christ they teach this **** in ****ING ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, are you honestly telling me that you are incapable of more intelligent and developed reasoning than CHILDREN aeon? These are basic critical thinking skills that move people away from making judgements predicated on unsubstantiated opinions and sentiments. Critical thought is how we come to and find TRUTHS. Intuition is not a truth - it is a rush of thoughts and feelings, it can be a source of a truth that is later confirmed by rigorous examination, but it is not a truth itself. The same is true of opinion. I know its horrifying sorcery to suggest this, but there are things in this universe that can be known, and it is possible to demonstrate them, because they are known. Maybe I should differentiate 'opinion' and 'informed opinion' the way professors do... with the terms 'opinion' and 'informed understanding', because that better represents the difference between the two. Didn't that whole team green thing happen 1 month ago?
Wow. That is one massive wall of text. It really is a shame that the forums don't hide quotes as well.
S'why I hid his posts in the first place, lol, "nyuuurrrr you're a child blaaargghhhh I'm completely and totally reasonable"
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.07.19 11:14:00 -
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JARREL THOMAS wrote:D1CK what have you done...
Meh, at least these guys make it obvious why most players don't use the forum
Aeon... Mina says yo momma looks good working fo dat Caldari dolla Mina... Aeon says you momma likes it froggy style...
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.07.19 11:16:00 -
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Let's not turn this into fantasy racism514, both of you, go outside and touch a boob immediatly
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Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.19 11:19:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Let's not turn this into fantasy racism514, both of you, go outside and touch a boob immediatly
I really don't care either way. I fight for any faction that my squad decides to throw us into at the time, so it really is of no concern to me.
Not to mention I have:
Amarr Logistics/Scout 5 Caldari Assault/Logistics 5 Gallente Assault/Logistics 5 Minmatar Assault/Logistics/Commando 5
I'm pretty diverse, yo.
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JARREL THOMAS
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Posted - 2015.07.19 16:54:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote: go outside and touch a boob immediatly Tried to look up a GIF for this.... never again....
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2015.07.19 18:49:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Let's not turn this into fantasy racism514, both of you, go outside and touch a boob immediatly
Nah, I just have a hard time letting things rest when I'm I believe I'm in the right. I prefer to argue the point. That said I'll let it drop.
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