DUST Search - CPM Candidates, why vote for them?

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Mina, to me, is one of those crazy "anti team green" tinfoilers who thinks that because a person has a Gallente forum avatar they're somehow aligned to making Gallente OP and bringing everyone else down and that is all he will see regardless of rhyme, reason, or evidence. It's incredible how of all the races that get brought up for debate on the forums, Gallente are the only ones that are ever bias...

I stopped dealing with him [Mina] a while back because as much as I tried to read between the lines of what he was trying to say it always came off as the same thing: He's right and everyone else is wrong. I mean, hell, even when it comes to opinions and intuition he's still trying to contradict people and tell them that they're somehow erroneous.

Suppose we'll just have to wait for this aforementioned evidence.

EDIT: But, yanno, it'll probably be the same thing it always is when someone claims bias: Cherry picked posts from months/years ago that extrapolate only a certain outlook while ignoring any other factor or variable that would conflict with that evidence...


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Mina Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.07.18 09:21:00 - [1] - Quote I think including Kirk and mclovin honestly turns it into a popularity contest. Being perfectly honest I don't have too many problems with Kirk, but he's biased, argumentative, doesn't look all that hard at facts or really concern himself with trying to get to the bottom of things and a whole slew of other negatives... And honestly I don't think I've really seen him do much of any positive contributions to the game (not saying that he hasn't, just that I've never seen him put forth any real effort). Quite a few of these are dealbreakers next to candidates like pokey or cross. Amusingly a decent chunk of these are reasons I myself wouldn't run over or ever vote for myself because of. Mclovin is someone I only know through FW interactions... And honestly he's a troll, and a bad one at that. When he gets himself kickbanned for constant awoxing & friendly fire he or his friends from OH come to run his mouth in STF, usually on alts. He is singlehandedly (slight exaggeration, his friends 'contribute' too) the reason that Outer Heaven as a corp has almost been removed from state task force. Now add in a lot of the things that I've said about Kirk that probably apply as Mclovin is essentially an unknown and ask yourself do you really want someone who behaves in such negative ways so frequently to be a representative of the community? I'd rather have an upstanding, levelheaded, fact oriented person representing me. I want candidates who are willing to get to the bottom of things and either be knowledgeable, or be willing to communicate with people who are knowledgeable. I'm not interested in biased egomaniacs (eg Viktor Hadah) or trolls (eg spkr4thedead). Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.07.18 17:31:00 - [2] - Quote Aeon, kirks bias is pretty clear and if I wasn't on my phone I could go grab some of the stuff Nothi has documented. On a tangent, opinions about people can be wrong, they are based in feeling not fact. Opinions are by definition fallible as they're not facts - you're allowed to have your world view and dislike things for whatever reasons but that doesn't prevent it from being wrong. There is a big difference between an opinion and an informed opinion. D1ck, being a good squadlead isn't something I'd consider all that important. Again, not trying to diminish or belittle him but if both Kirk and I were to run I'd vote for neither of us for mostly the same reasons, we'd probably be better than some, but not as good as many others. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Mina Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.07.19 02:48:00 - [3] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Mina, to me, is one of those crazy "anti team green" tinfoilers who thinks that because a person has a Gallente forum avatar they're somehow aligned to making Gallente OP and bringing everyone else down and that is all he will see regardless of rhyme, reason, or evidence. It's incredible how of all the races that get brought up for debate on the forums, Gallente are the only ones that are ever bias... I stopped dealing with him [Mina] a while back because as much as I tried to read between the lines of what he was trying to say it always came off as the same thing: He's right and everyone else is wrong. I mean, hell, even when it comes to opinions and intuition he's still trying to contradict people and tell them that they're somehow erroneous. Suppose we'll just have to wait for this aforementioned evidence. EDIT: But, yanno, it'll probably be the same thing it always is when someone claims bias: Cherry picked posts from months/years ago that extrapolate only a certain outlook while ignoring any other factor or variable that would conflict with that evidence... Sorry it took me so long to respond to this. I couldn't quite do your bullshit justice while I was on mobile for most of the day. I am not 'anti-gallente' in any way, I actually try to keep balance in mind for any and all of my suggestions. However when balance problems come up for gallente weapons, quite a few members of 'team green' have either insisted nothing is wrong, or have insisted that [thing] being overpowered is totally okay. I tend to pay more attention to 'team green' because of my own leanings but that doesn't mean that no one else has ever been biased on the forums ever, or that I've never taken exception to them being idiots about it. As a brief example... I'm pretty sure that you think absolutely nothing is wrong with myo stacked fits... despite the fact that they are demonstrably missing a stacking penalty on their jump speed... and I'm sure that something that's so clearly broken wouldn't be abused by you at all, Oh wait, you run myo stacked fits all the time and are literally exploiting something that is broken and not working properly. You stopped 'dealing' with me because I tend to point out when you act like a child, find fundamental flaws with your ideas and ask you questions that you find uncomfortable about those flaws, or I openly and aggressively contradict your whiny self-aggrandizing little crap (usually "waah i'm such a victim" crap). I don't really expect someone who acts like a child so often to be capable of 'dealing' with someone who usually acts like an adult. I'm entirely willing to admit when I'm wrong Aeon... provided I'm actually wrong, and usually I am not. I will admit that I am stubborn individual and I love a good argument, I pride myself on having a decently wide range of knowledge about a lot of subjects and when I approach a discussion I tend to approach it armed with facts, evidence, knowledge and well reasoned arguments... To you this may come off as an "I'm right and you're wrong and I'm going to be condescending about it", and it probably on some level is because generally when I get into these 'discussions' I am right and the other person is wrong, demonstrably so. About your 'opinions and intuition', those can certainly be wrong as the brain likes to do these fun little things called logical fallacies, or people like to make kneejerk 'judgements' based on incorrect or incomplete information. There is a world of difference between opinion (which is fallible) and informed opinion (which is supported by facts, evidence and well reasoned arguments). Christ they teach this ** in *ING ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, are you honestly telling me that you are incapable of more intelligent and developed reasoning than CHILDREN* aeon? These are basic critical thinking skills that move people away from making judgements predicated on unsubstantiated opinions and sentiments. Critical thought is how we come to and find TRUTHS. Intuition is not a truth - it is a rush of thoughts and feelings, it can be a source of a truth that is later confirmed by rigorous examination, but it is not a truth itself. The same is true of opinion. I know its horrifying sorcery to suggest this, but there are things in this universe that can be known, and it is possible to demonstrate them, because they are known. Maybe I should differentiate 'opinion' and 'informed opinion' the way professors do... with the terms 'opinion' and 'informed understanding', because that better represents the difference between the two. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.07.19 18:49:00 - [4] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Let's not turn this into fantasy racism514, both of you, go outside and touch a boob immediatly Nah, I just have a hard time letting things rest when I'm I believe I'm in the right. I prefer to argue the point. That said I'll let it drop. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.