Also, this doesn't address the fact that the gal slots ARE short in comparison to other logis

I have 70+ mil SP lol! Cores lol!

Heck, the minmatar one that everyone loves has the exact same progression as the assault and no one is complaining about that.

I agree with OP.

I don't really mind how Cal logi's slots are arranged, so long as they have the correct number in all tiers, and have enough CPU to fit energisers and regulators, without a CPU enhancer.

I don't agree with increasing the equipment fitting bonus, it's enough already. Even with an assault/logi speed swap, I find it very unlikely a logi could sacrifice equipment to become a better slayer than an assault. Maybe if you had low cores. Currently assaults can nearly fit full proto anyway. So long as Rattati doesn't increase logi hp it will be fine.

Different topic for a different time and place but for the record the class needs an hp buff across the board.

If we went the equipment route, Caldari Logi would also have 3 equipment at standard.
not to mention the 4th high slot at advanced, and a third high slot at standard.

Thus making it similar to the minmatar and Gillette equipment progression.

Please don't turn this thread into a debate about logi hp.
Like he said, that's a completely irrelevant discussion.

Oh it's relevant. We're just not (per your request) going to have it in here.


COMMON SENSE AND LOGIC would determine that swapping the movement speeds makes the low hp base fine as is.

Athough practical use of speed tanks (emulating only speed buffs ) or hp tanks (to emulate solely those buffs) under the working conditions really exemplify the need for minor buffing of both

I do think that base stamina should be reduced to make logistics have quick bursts of movement speed to get into/out of a situation quickly, rather than letting them run around at top speed all the time...another way to balance the change, and make cardiac regulators a relevant low slot choice.

Not without a kick to the regen.

Please don't turn this thread into a debate about logi hp.
Like he said, that's a completely irrelevant discussion.

Its very relevant, we're just not having it here per request

COMMON SENSE AND LOGIC would determine that swapping the movement speeds makes the low hp base fine as is.

Though actual use with tanks one-sided or the other (speed/hp) really prove the need for simple buffs to both

I do think that base stamina should be reduced to make logistics have quick bursts of movement speed to get into/out of a situation quickly, rather than letting them run around at top speed all the time...another way to balance the change, and make cardiac regulators a relevant low slot choice.
Not without a buff regen-side

At the end of the day the slots are fine, some simple buffing across the board and the Cal getting a sidearm has the job done.

The problem is most (at least the ones I have talked to, not complete by any means) don't WANT a sidearm. We want bandwidth and a 4th equipment slot at Proto. There are some outliers I know, but for the most part we all would prefer a 4th equipment slot over a sidearm.

I'd bet everybody wants more bandwidth, us the most.
The sidearm vs. eq slots seems 50/50 from my very non-scientific survey. Based on the bonusing as well as the **** we get for our Amarr sidearm going the sidearm route opens some of the utility as well as balances (sorry Shay, he asked) the class a bit overall, taking some of the wth out when ppl who don't understand combat logistics look at it.

Agree 100%. However, as you said, Bandwidth would have to come up. Right now, the only thing that can legitimately go into the 4th low is for bandwidth because, without, even at proto you can't put better than mostly standard and advanced mods. Get rid of that ridiculous 4th low, give us our 4th equipment (even if it is just at proto), and enough bandwidth to actually put some proto stuff on it.

How about a Bandwidth Enhancement Module, just like for CPU and PG?

Racial high & low slot layouts follows the Assaults EXACTLY. NO EXCEPTIONS

No Logistics suits will have a sidearm slot

All Logistics suits will have 4 EQ slots (all tiers)

Force all EQ slots to be filled in order for the fitting to be valid

Increase EQ CPU/PG fitting bonus for Logistics

Assault and Logistics suits swap movement speed


^ I'd very much prefer it this way

Clever! Abuse potential?

Maybe. But you'd have to use a low (or high) slot to benefit, so is that much different than a CPU or PG module?

If the module was CPU and PG costly (like a Kincat), you would have to downgrade other equipment, shields or armour to take advantage of that extra bandwidth.

how is it a gimp scout? if you are proto in your respective suits and running the items you get bonuses for.

when they fix the amount carried to the proto hives cal logis will be able to carry 6 to 8 proto rep and ammo hives. they do not need another equipment slot. i'm starting to think the people who are complaining are only those maxed in one logi, that feel they should be able to do the job of all four logis in one.

I will try to explain as best I can. At the STD level the Amarr logi and the STD scout slot counts are the same.

Same 2H/2L/2 EQ and a sidearm.

The specialty of a logi is the equipment it can bring into play to benefit other team members. But when another class has just as much equipment slots, is faster, better regeneration, etc. we get into role bleed where ultimately the STD scout, or Logi Light, excels more than the logi itself. Meaning it is tactically better to run a scout more than the Amarr logi (bonuses included) at the STD level. Until the Logi reaches the 3EQ threshold there are simply better logis that aren't even in the same class.

And my emphasis is that IFF the community must choose that both the CAL and AMARR logis have sidearms there must also be an exception in slot counts to allow each logi to begin with 3 EQ. Less than that and it is not a logi. This would make the suits outliers from the norm, again. Though I don't know how the community will proceed, nor how the CPM and Rattati will work the solution, but the lines between classes must be clear and adding a 2nd EQ slot to the scout class (ancient history - not debating the merits or suggesting changes to the class) it also negated the logi suits that just have 2 EQ to start out with. What was once their defining characteristic - more than 1 EQ slot since the dawn of Dust - was nullified.

Seeking to define the roles of the logistics class again is that they are the only class that can bring in more equipment than any other class. And right now that is not true.

Such changes must be reviewed and debated.




My position is that I Prefer the logi with the sidearm, and I COULD live without it. But whatever is done Slot progression must be equalized and the STD logi must have 3 EQ. OR there is no reason to run a STD logi. The ADV tier and Proto tier are then the only choices for certain races if that is not done. Each tier should remain true to the class and true to the balance of the game - limiting role bleed, defining classes, and reflecting each races strengths and weaknesses as much as possible in the current iteration of this EVE fps.

Not a bandwidth proponent or supporter by any means BUT in the current bandwidth landscape I think the sort of abuse potential is less that an individual will spam more at the expense of their armor and more that they'll spam small then by switching into a non-support build with a BW mod effectively self-logi. ie, start in a logi/scout dropping rep/ammo hives and then switch to a heavy and stay in the now permanent (until destroyed) nest. Which was supposed to be part of the behaviour the encumberance bandwidth is supposed to eliminate completely.

None of these ideas will prevent suit swapping, but a bandwidth module that has appropriate CPU & PG costs would restrict what could be loaded on a 'throw away' suit.