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Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6	Posted - 2015.05.28 18:00:00 - [61] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Step 4 This is the hardest part. We, as a community, need to agree on two things: 1. Amarr logi gets a sidearm at each tier, but sacrifices one equipment slot at each tier to maintain the same number of total slots 2. What to do about the 4th low slot of the Caldari Logi, since we are sticking to the Assault layouts with NO EXCEPTIONS Number 2 is very simple. Here are your options: -Caldari Logi gets a 4th equipment, just like the Minmatar and Gallente suits Or -Caldari Logi gets a sidearm at each tier in place of one equipment slot, just like the Amarr suit There is no other option for number 1. Please do not suggest other options in this thread. Either you agree or you disagree. This is mainly to ensure that the Amarr has something unique to offer compared to the Gallente (since both have the same slot layouts) I say give both "deployment" Logi a sidearm for one less Equipment slot. By Deployment I mean they have a bonus for either Uplinks or Hives, which are both deployables. This would give us both a Shield and an Armor Logi with a sidearm. It would also be nice if the Min and Gal Logi, could quick switch between their weapon and their first Equipment slot by tapping R2, since they don't have two weapons to switch between. Then they could put their Rep Tool/Scanner in that slot. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC 1	Posted - 2015.05.29 08:16:00 - [62] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: I say give both "deployment" Logi a sidearm for one less Equipment slot. By Deployment I mean they have a bonus for either Uplinks or Hives, which are both deployables. This would give us both a Shield and an Armor Logi with a sidearm. It would also be nice if the Min and Gal Logi, could quick switch between their weapon and their first Equipment slot by tapping R2, since they don't have two weapons to switch between. Then they could put their Rep Tool/Scanner in that slot. Open-Beta Vet. Egbinger Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
HOLY PERFECTION Conclusive Wrath 92	Posted - 2015.05.29 18:29:00 - [63] - Quote Why is minmitar pg 3 lower than it is now. ?? Join Conclusive Wrath or ........... die
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.05.29 19:10:00 - [64] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I only see one issue: minmatar logis seem to be armor tanks right now- I even have my skills set up as such. What you're proposing would change them to shield tanks. They can go either way. That's the Minmatar design at work. Minmatar balance shield and armor with speed, while being slightly more shield focused they have a decent amount of armor variants as well. You'll see lighter Minmatar suits looking more at the shield side of the spectrum medium suits going either way and armor tending to go towards armor. You can of course do as you wish but that's the pattern I see Sgt Kirk's Gallente Propaganda Youtube Channel
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1	Posted - 2015.05.30 00:03:00 - [65] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I only see one issue: minmatar logis seem to be armor tanks right now- I even have my skills set up as such. What you're proposing would change them to shield tanks. I still shield tank my MinLogis..all my Min Suits in fact. I don't like that loss of speed. But, armor does seem to be the way to go. (And before someone chimes in with 'Shields are UP', I still remember the days of 'why would you run armor ever', horrible days.) If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known. Also, Raptors...
Songs of Seraphim Negative-Feedback. 1	Posted - 2015.05.30 04:15:00 - [66] - Quote Step 1: I'm all for it, with the progression of the Logistics the same as their Assault counterpart. Assuming that the logistics EQ progression is 3/3/4 (where the Amarr may or may not trade its Sidearm for the EQ). Which blends into Step 2. Step 3: I'm unable to open the Google doc since I have crap service at this gig. So I cannot comment on it, and I apologize if I say anything you may have pointed out in there. I'd lower CPU & PG values across the board to avoid the "Killer bee" syndrome. But at the same time, raising their fitting bonus to equipment by an equal margin. And the guideline seems perfect, in my opinion. Step 4: I cannot say anything about the Amarr Logistics as I haven't dabbled in that suit at all. BUT what I'd like to see for the Caldari Logistics is a fourth equipment slot. Let the Amarr be the sole Logistics suit with a sidearm, however the four equipment slots at the PRO level seems a necessity for Logistics as a whole. With 4 EQ, it would cut back the amount of fittings I have for the Caldari Logi, as I'm often forced to choose between equipment. There have been a number of times where I was the sole Logi with no depot in sight and my teammates asked me for needle (check), ammo (check), repair (maybe), or scans or uplinks (I have to give one up so which suit is it?). Hell, currently the Caldari Logi is the laughing stock in the PC realm not because of its "meh" bonus, but because you have to sacrifice slots and equipment to the situation at hand. I don't want to overshadow the other logistics role, but I want to be at their level. I've used a Minmatar Logi that had a much larger effect on my squad than my Caldari Logi did, not because of the rep bonus, but because of the amount of EQ it had made it much more effective and versatile. Typing this out from my phone and hopefully it's coherent as I'm a tad drunk. Achura Bloodline Caldari Loyalist Join Caldari FW via Kirjuun Saaja
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 1	Posted - 2015.05.30 04:29:00 - [67] - Quote Just a random thought. What if Logi's had equal but opposite counterparts between rival factions. Would be much easier to balance anyways. Example off the top of my head. Caldari and Gallente: Support Logistics Cal: 5/3/4 Gal: 3/5/4 Amarr and Minmatar: Combat logistics Ama: 4/4/3 + Sidearm Min: 4/4/3 + Sidearm !--CCP, let's push for the license of Dust on both current Gen consoles--!
I-Shayz-I I----------I 5	Posted - 2015.05.31 05:37:00 - [68] - Quote HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Why is minmitar pg 3 lower than it is now. ?? Because the CPU is increased? I based these numbers on how the Assaults are, with Cal and Min having more CPU, and Gal and Amarr having more PG 7162 wp with a Repair Tool!
HOLY PERFECTION Conclusive Wrath 102	Posted - 2015.05.31 14:10:00 - [69] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Why is minmitar pg 3 lower than it is now. ?? Because the CPU is increased? I based these numbers on how the Assaults are, with Cal and Min having more CPU, and Gal and Amarr having more PG yes, but im a MK.0 core 5 level 5 and still BARELY make it. i have no pg left to spare. So why take away so much. Its not an assault its a logi, just adjust speeds and boom fixed. Mabye a bit beefier because its suppose to be a medium suit. No but an assault gets 1200 ehp, i get 600 ehp. Son of a ***** Join Conclusive Wrath or ........... die
I-Shayz-I I----------I 5	Posted - 2015.05.31 21:10:00 - [70] - Quote HOLY PERFECTION wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Why is minmitar pg 3 lower than it is now. ?? Because the CPU is increased? I based these numbers on how the Assaults are, with Cal and Min having more CPU, and Gal and Amarr having more PG yes, but im a MK.0 core 5 level 5 and still BARELY make it. i have no pg left to spare. So why take away so much. Its not an assault its a logi, just adjust speeds and boom fixed. Mabye a bit beefier because its suppose to be a medium suit. No but an assault gets 1200 ehp, i get 600 ehp. Son of a *** Okay in math terms... I took the base Proto numbers of logistics (390 CPU, 78 PG), and went 1 standard deviation out from them in each direction to get Minmatar and Gellente values. Two standard deviations is the Caldari and Amarr numbers. The assaults have less total fitting space, but each race has a small amount more/less CPU/PG. I just translated that to the logistics to make each suit more racially diverse...just as pretty much every other suit in the game already is. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool!**

Songs of Seraphim Negative-Feedback. 1	Posted - 2015.05.31 21:27:00 - [71] - Quote HOLY PERFECTION wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Why is minmitar pg 3 lower than it is now. ?? Because the CPU is increased? I based these numbers on how the Assaults are, with Cal and Min having more CPU, and Gal and Amarr having more PG yes, but im a MK.0 core 5 level 5 and still BARELY make it. i have no pg left to spare. So why take away so much. Its not an assault its a logi, just adjust speeds and boom fixed. Mabye a bit beefier because its suppose to be a medium suit. No but an assault gets 1200 ehp, i get 600 ehp. Son of a ***** A logi can get anywhere from the higher end of 600 HP to almost 900 HP (or more if you brick the ever-living hell out of it). And that's with good equipment on it. And an assault with 1200 HP is a sitting duck; highly ineffective, sluggish unit. Most assaults have about 700 to 900 total HP. I'm all for the Min Logi having slightly more CPU with slightly less PG, but not far from the "standard". Achura Bloodline Caldari Loyalist Join Caldari FW via Kirjuun Saaja
I-Shayz-I I----------I 5	Posted - 2015.06.06 11:55:00 - [72] - Quote Songs of Seraphim wrote: I'm all for the Min Logi having slightly more CPU with slightly less PG, but not far from the "standard". This is my proposal exactly. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool!
Blueprint For Murder Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 447	Posted - 2015.06.06 17:38:00 - [73] - Quote Seems like a waste of time and resources idk why you guys get in such an uproar over progression of a suit considering once your suit is maxed it no longer matters? Are you just trying to min max logi at a low sp progression? Whats the point? 30 day fast started 6/1/15Life-$
I-Shayz-I I----------I 5	Posted - 2015.06.06 18:55:00 - [74] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: Seems like a waste of time and resources idk why you guys get in such an uproar over progression of a suit considering once your suit is maxed it no longer matters? Are you just trying to min max logi at a low sp progression? Whats the point? Uh The fact that Gallente has a 0/2 slot layout at standard is absolute bullshit. No one should be forced to run minmatar just because their own preferred race has a **** slot progression. Unless you're a vet like me you are stuck in that standard suit until you get enough sp to unlock advanced...which both have one less slot than minmatar. On top of that, Caldari desperately needs to be tweaked with some more CPU. Then you might as well account for all races and nudge fitting space around a bit to form more racial diversity. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool!**


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