so why does the amarr have the highest pg? sounds like an invitation to fit damage mods in the highs?

cal has the fourth L slot because of its high cpu requirements for shield mods(CPU mod required), is the cpu going to be dramatically increased on that suit if you drop a low slot?(+more equipment on PRO)

Tell me sir? What, exactly, can you get done with the gal logi at standard? With only 2 low, no high, 1 weapon slot, and 3 equipment?

I'll tell you my view. Dying in a suicidal link spam suit. Not enough high and low slots to be proficient at any one thing. Whether that be speed, tank, ewar, etc. At advanced you have a 2/3/3 equipment setup, but I suggest staying tight with the squad. Yes you can perform, but in my experience you're the guy everyone's trying to carry.

However, at lvl 5 this suit makes a miraculous leap to 3/5/4 equipment? At this level it actually performs extremely well, and the bonuses are awesome! Why wouldn't I want the standard to have 1/3/3 equipment slot layout for similar results?

Now mind you, at standard level the min logi has 2/2/3 equipment? One may argue the ehp lower, but in the logi class all ehp is low?!

I would like my four low/high anyway I can get them. Not because I want to be OP, but because economically it's better for me. Do you run it at standard?

Not being combative, but I myself had to stop bashing others for requesting slight improvements in their respective classes simply because I don't run them, and understand their plight.

I'd rather have an 4th equipment on the Amarr logi instead of the 5th low slot but this is better than what we currently have.

My regular GalLogi pub fit is an advanced. It runs scans. And an AR. And when I break that **** out and don't play like an assault hard-charging full frontal like an ass it's not only effective but largely profitable as most of my pubs games are.
I'm not sure what else you're asking for. Fitting advice? I'll throw you a bone: Get full cores- all upgrades. PG, CPU, Damps, Shield, Armor, your Equip etc. Quit SPing into proto suits and weapons. You mean you want a how-to-logi tutorial? Join Dust Uni. Or Immortal Guides.

GalLogi is EWAR and the bonusing is EWAR optimised. Be EWAR and be successful. Be an assault and be dead qqing about how the slot progression sucks.

As a callogi. Yes, would love 4th equipment (and more bandwidth???).

Agree 100%. However, as you said, Bandwidth would have to come up. Right now, the only thing that can legitimately go into the 4th low is for bandwidth because, without, even at proto you can't put better than mostly standard and advanced mods. Get rid of that ridiculous 4th low, give us our 4th equipment (even if it is just at proto), and enough bandwidth to actually put some proto stuff on it.

I'd rather have an 4th equipment on the Amarr logi instead of the 5th low slot but this is better than what we currently have.

My regular GalLogi pub fit is an advanced. It runs scans. And an AR. And when I break that **** out and don't play like an assault hard-charging full frontal like an ass it's not only effective but largely profitable as most of my pubs games are.
I'm not sure what else you're asking for. Fitting advice? I'll throw you a bone: Get full cores- all upgrades. PG, CPU, Damps, Shield, Armor, your Equip etc. Quit SPing into proto suits and weapons. You mean you want a how-to-logi tutorial? Join Dust Uni. Or Immortal Guides.

GalLogi is EWAR and the bonusing is EWAR optimised. Be EWAR and be successful. Be an assault and be dead qqing about how the slot progression sucks.

My regular GalLogi pub fit is an advanced. It runs scans. And an AR. And when I break that **** out and don't play like an assault hard-charging full frontal like an ass it's not only effective but largely profitable as most of my pubs games are.
I'm not sure what else you're asking for. Fitting advice? I'll throw you a bone: Get full cores- all upgrades. PG, CPU, Damps, Shield, Armor, your Equip etc. Quit SPing into proto suits and weapons. You mean you want a how-to-logi tutorial? Join Dust Uni. Or Immortal Guides.

GalLogi is EWAR and the bonusing is EWAR optimised. Be EWAR and be successful. Be an assault and be dead qqing about how the slot progression sucks.

If we go side arm route (amarr and Cal) make sure they have 3EQ at STD. I know its off, but 2 eq is not a logi, it is a gimped scout.

Thank you for understanding ^^

While I wouldn't mind having a variation of the suit like that, you have to make sure that Amarr always has the most amount of low slots on their suit.

5 low slots is mandatory, but I can see a debate for a 2/5/4 layout instead of 3/5/3

Although, I still think there needs to be an uniqueness factor between the Gallente and Amarr, which is my main reason for keeping the 3 equipment.

If we go side arm route (amarr and Cal) make sure they have 3EQ at STD. I know its off, but 2 eq is not a logi, it is a gimped scout.

Since previous attempts at trying to improve logistics have FAILED MISERABLY because our community can't agree on anything, we shall try once more with logic, reasoning, and some freaking common sense.

Before you reply, note that this thread is NOT about fitting bonuses, logistics balance, equipment balance, debates over sidearms, shield repair tools, movement speed, dropsuit colors, officer dropsuits, what you ate for dinner last night, etc.

Here's the proposal:
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Step 1

All racial suits will have the same number of slots at each tier. Slots can be either High, Low, Equipment, or Sidearm

STD: 7 slots
ADV: 9 slots
PRO: 12 slots
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Step 2

Racial slot layouts for High/Low slots will follow the Assaults EXACTLY. NO EXCEPTIONS

Caldari: 3/1 | 4/2 | 5/3
Minmatar: 2/2 | 3/3 | 4/4
Gallente: 1/3 | 2/4 | 3/5
Amarr: 1/3 | 2/4 | 3/5
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Step 3

Fitting space will be slightly skewed up and down for each race according to the same rough percentage increases/decreases that Assaults have

The current base CPU/PG for Logistics are:
STD - 195/39
ADV - 273/55
PRO - 390/78

Guideline:
Caldari: Highest CPU, Lowest PG
Minmatar: Higher CPU, Lower PG
Gallente: Lower CPU, Higher PG
Amarr: Lowest CPU, Highest PG

Calculated numbers:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByYUjq_P9RY0LVZlYndVbFVSSlE/view?usp=sharing
(note, these are not final, but are a very very good idea of what logistics fitting space should look like for each race)
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Step 4

This is the hardest part. We, as a community, need to agree on two things:

1. Amarr logi gets a sidearm at each tier, but sacrifices one equipment slot at each tier to maintain the same number of total slots
2. What to do about the 4th low slot of the Caldari Logi, since we are sticking to the Assault layouts with NO EXCEPTIONS

Number 2 is very simple. Here are your options:
-Caldari Logi gets a 4th equipment, just like the Minmatar and Gallente suits
-Caldari Logi gets a sidearm at each tier in place of one equipment slot, just like the Amarr suit

There is no other option for number 1. Please do not suggest other options in this thread. Either you agree or you disagree. This is mainly to ensure that the Amarr has something unique to offer compared to the Gallente (since both have the same slot layouts)
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This is my ideal course of action.

The current progression is **** and we all know it. My idea isn't completely perfect, it's not going to make every last one of you happy and I understand that.

But can we please, PLEASE, agree that the current slot layouts, fitting numbers, and overall progression is the absolute worst for logistics? At least give it a chance and don't sidetrack this again.