But you are comparing Apples and Oranges.

The games are different, they have different computations they have to make aside from they physics, and unless you are a developer yourself and confident enough in the details, I for one am not confident in their similarity to suggest that its an appropriate comparison.

Lets compare GTA V PS3/PS4.

PS4 version has a 1st person mode, which Rockstar themselves said would be impossible on the PS3. Dust is 1st person, yet on the PS3. Not to mention having the variety of weapons etc.

The situation is more complex than you are giving it credit for, and the GTA V comparison is not appropriate given all the differences.

That is why it should be on PC.

IWS, do you think it would be possible for there to be unique models for all vehicles if we moved to say the PS$ (ex. The Nethana being more Buggy like, while the Limbus being something along the lines of this)?

BF3/4 also has a lot less variation in infantry models and weapon models.

I consider myself a hobbyist, though I have no experience with the ps3. I'm not really talking about the apples or the oranges, I'm talking about the barrel that holds them. On the surface I don't see anything special about dust, hell most of it was in Starseige: Tribes and that game only needed like ~30MB of ram and it had vehicles, up to 128 players a match, customizable classes and several other things I can't recall at the moment (edit: and it's getting close to this being 20 years ago). The only thing more complex in Dust than Tribes is the graphics but most of that sh!t is unnecessary fluff because people rather look at a pretty turd than play a good game.

So on second thought, yeah the PS3 is holding Dust back, from being a pretty polished turd.

At least someone is honest...

need more honesty!!! \o/

The question now is why the hell havent we moved to the PS4 yet. F2P is acceptable now on the new platforms and it is just a better console overall

Look you and I both know we don't like things that are done half ass or quater mule or anything less than the best.

However we have to come to certain terms.

PS3 has only 256x2 mb of memory available to us; (unknown page file size but that's for on demand things like mail and whatnot for less than commonly called up resources not second to second demanded needs for animation.)

Now here's where things get a bit nasty a significant portion consumed (40%) by the PS3 OS itself.

SO 40% of 256 MB is about 102.4 MB

You want to know what else is 102.4 MB large?

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/007/8/f/soe_oberon_by_novafox-d4lkb73.jpg

Actually j/k; the raws of this picture is 1.2 gigs memory; features only 120 undo steps, 52 layers, doesn't even animate, interact, or do anything fancy; its nice to be able to save it as a JPG though but that cuts all the features out. Editing Software runs on 800mb; os+support at 2gb

So now keep that in mind right now.

Now for a revelation I have heard at fanfest that I think would not do any harm in revealing.

Guess which vehicle has been in the dust 514 since near closed beta client but never seen?

Amarr HAV? Nope
Amarr LAV? Nope
Amarr DS? Nope
Amarr MCC? Nope
Minmatar HAV? Nope
Minmatar LAV? Nope
Minmatar DS? Nope
Minmatar MCC? Nope
MTACs? you wished.
Speeders? in your dreams
VTOLS? I wished...
MAVs? Don't we all?

I can list a dozen more ideas but the point remains that the Gallente RDV which has been in the game for such a long time hasn't made a debute because of the simple fact we are out of memory.

People we hit the limits of the ps3. We hit it long time ago. Yes you can yell that maybe dust 514 is terribly put together that doesn't change the fact that in order to get new models in; the others will have to take a hit in looks; performance; appearance; and essentially all have to be remodeled again in order to fit.

Chopping an HAV in half will not magically give us the memory we need; hell in order to shove one new HAV in we have to chop the three to 1/10th most likely because this will cover the physics, animations (yes the HAVs animate); sound rules; and so much more.

The same exact reason why MAG characters couldn't be customized; they too hit that limit. Probably the very damn reason why you will never see planetside 2 on the ps3 because of not the sheer number of people the game could throw at it but rather the sheer number of possible LOOKS (and physics and sounds) people can throw at it.

Look I too want to see proper models for everything I really do; one of my largest gripes with the other game. However in the sake of name of fun; balance; content; and time management. These well done reskins will hold until the day we either figure out how to magically make everything cost less memory or we just suddenly get a whole lot more of it.

Hell if you guys knew what sort of things are missing from even the current models due to low memory...

The question now is why the hell havent we moved to the PS4 yet. F2P is acceptable now on the new platforms and it is just a better console overall

honesty doesnt fix anything though

Would moving the star map and corporation handling elements to an online app help?


I don't know how on board the community would be, but to free up resources, it may be an option.


Thanks for the communication IWS.

The question now is why the hell havent we moved to the PS4 yet. F2P is acceptable now on the new platforms and it is just a better console overall

Because simply moving over can't be done, as it's an entirely different architecture.

I mean Call of Duty Advanced Warfare runs okay on the PS3 and there are no features different on the PC version and yet

Minimal requirements:

OS: Windows 7 64-Bit / Windows 8 64-Bit / Windows 8.1 64-Bit
Processor: Intel-« CoreGäó i3-530 @ 2.93 GHz / AMD PhenomGäó II X4 810 @ 2.60 GHz
Memory: 6 GB RAM
Graphics: NVIDIA-« GeForce-« GTS 450 @ 1GB / ATI-« RadeonGäó HD 5870 @ 1GB
DirectX: Version 11
Network: Broadband Internet connection
Hard Drive: 55 GB available space
Sound Card: DirectX Compatible
Additional Notes: Field of View ranges from 65-¦-90-¦.

WTF bloated 5.5 -OS gigs of ram? and 750mbs of video ram?

I would seriously like to know. Can it run on a ps3 specced computer? probably though likely nowhere near as good as the ps3 version.

That is why it should be on PC.

Criminal levels of mismanagement (CCP Jian)

So the response to said limitations is to take the game away from all of us who play it now?

Why do you think the company CEO personally said that there was nothing to announce about Project Legion this year?

P.S. IWS; what is your motivation to release all this info. Did you and Rattati had a falloff? I kinda like soap operas.

Just an fyi, some of us are far more interested in a PC version of Dust 514 than a console. For those players CCP wouldn't be taking anything from them.

Because there was nothing to discuss. Legion is still in the same state it was last year: an R&D project with the hopes of getting an FPS set in New Eden on PC.

you completely ignored the part about it's purpose , of course there are players who also play shooters on pc.

This game was not targeted towards them..otherwise, it would have been on PC from the START