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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2015.04.12 04:43:00 -
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Isa Lucifer wrote:First off, thank you IWS for being honest with the community.
My humble opinion about this is; Much ado about nothing. Taking the mumbo jumbo out of the post and it says "we are all playing an inferior version of a good game because of ...."
Now the Rat needs to finish the sentence. Or he can just ignore it. Does not matter because all along we all knew it. We have swallowed the blue pill.
P.S. IWS; what is your motivation to release all this info. Did you and Rattati had a falloff? I kinda like soap operas.
I was somewhat mad at the posters over at the racial tank thread saying shove 2d artwork or scrapped models in place of the place holder tanks.
Also placeholder tanks lets us mess with the stats now and get them balanced and by the time we can get to a place or position to be able to add new windings into dust 514 without having to pull a tooth or two they would be already an enjoyable to use vehicle.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.04.12 04:52:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:This game was not targeted towards them..otherwise, it would have been on PC from the START And that has worked out so well for CCP, hasn't it? There is a reason CCP announced Legion (PC) instead of Legion (PS4).
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DeathwindRising
ROGUE RELICS
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Posted - 2015.04.12 05:32:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:So, without being able to confirm that Legion is being worked on daily, you've basically just confirmed that as far as evolution of the actual game goes...it's dead. It's nothing but bandaids from here on out. I mean we all knew this, it's just amusing to see you post it.
And obviously the game won't "die", but it sure as hell won't be going places. That is your conclusion if you choose to live with it. I am in no position to correct you either at this time so it's a very unfair position to assert here to which results in nothing positively worked on. I rather continue productive conversations. You tell us that basically nothing substantial can be added, I agree with you, and that makes me unfair Ok
i interpreted you post as stating that theres no reason to play the game and that there's no reason for new players to try the game out. i found it offensive, yes. |
Dreis ShadowWeaver
0uter.Heaven Back and Forth
2681
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Posted - 2015.04.12 05:34:00 -
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DeathwindRising wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:So, without being able to confirm that Legion is being worked on daily, you've basically just confirmed that as far as evolution of the actual game goes...it's dead. It's nothing but bandaids from here on out. I mean we all knew this, it's just amusing to see you post it.
And obviously the game won't "die", but it sure as hell won't be going places. That is your conclusion if you choose to live with it. I am in no position to correct you either at this time so it's a very unfair position to assert here to which results in nothing positively worked on. I rather continue productive conversations. You tell us that basically nothing substantial can be added, I agree with you, and that makes me unfair Ok i interpreted you post as stating that theres no reason to play the game and that there's no reason for new players to try the game out. i found it offensive, yes. I didn't interpret that
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DeathwindRising
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Posted - 2015.04.12 05:38:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:I am going to assume that you are correct. It does make some sense to me. The notion that something like Last of Us was able to happen with it's graphics and textures compared to DUST always confused me. But if it is a matter of "you can only load so much at a time", I can see why we are here. I have to wonder if the game could have been set up to not have to load every damn bit of information, though.
So here is the question: why hasn't CCP made public plans to move DUST on? Whether or not those plans are in motion, why hasn't CCP said "we want to progress DUST to a different platform given the technical limitations." CCP wants to blame the PS3 for a lot of things that have and have not happened yet they continue to use the same system for their game.
If CCP is lying and using the PS3 as a scapegoat, then they are causing damage to themselves because the logical question is "Well, if it is hindering you, move to something that doesn't!" Like a guy telling his girlfriend "I would totally marry you if I had the money" but continues to burn his money in an oil drum, it looks untrustworthy.
If CCP isn't lying, they are causing damage because they are hindering themselves. If the ball and chain is too much, why not ditch the ball and chain? Looks lazy and unconcerned.
I know Legion was a misstep but would anyone be that worried if Rouge announced it like "We are transferring everything. It may take a little while but every step you have made will not be wiped away!", the hubbub would have been next to nothing. All the Legion posts are about fear; that it is a different product, that we were asked "buy boosters, aurum, APEX suits" and we will be asked "do it again!", that all our effort and care in this game was misplaced.
I just confuses. If we really are at the limit, we have to break the limiter. Or does CCP not want the investment?
CCP did say this... last years fanfest and everyone went crazy and started quitting the game. |
DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.04.12 05:47:00 -
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DeathwindRising wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:So, without being able to confirm that Legion is being worked on daily, you've basically just confirmed that as far as evolution of the actual game goes...it's dead. It's nothing but bandaids from here on out. I mean we all knew this, it's just amusing to see you post it.
And obviously the game won't "die", but it sure as hell won't be going places. That is your conclusion if you choose to live with it. I am in no position to correct you either at this time so it's a very unfair position to assert here to which results in nothing positively worked on. I rather continue productive conversations. You tell us that basically nothing substantial can be added, I agree with you, and that makes me unfair Ok i interpreted you post as stating that theres no reason to play the game and that there's no reason for new players to try the game out. i found it offensive, yes. GÇ£It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so ******* what."
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ReGnYuM
Carne Con Papas
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Posted - 2015.04.12 06:10:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:So, without being able to confirm that Legion is being worked on daily, you've basically just confirmed that as far as evolution of the actual game goes...it's dead. It's nothing but bandaids from here on out. I mean we all knew this, it's just amusing to see you post it.
And obviously the game won't "die", but it sure as hell won't be going places. That is your conclusion if you choose to live with it. I am in no position to correct you either at this time so it's a very unfair position to assert here to which results in nothing positively worked on. I rather continue productive conversations.
Your such a ******* coward IWS. |
Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.04.12 06:50:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Either way the practices dust are using now is a practice all games go through; save one star citizen.
Generally between features, quality, performance vs hardware, budget, and time.
Dust 514 is in a very aware state they too need to be doing this now; unlike the past development teams efforts which had over-focus on features; didn't mind the budget and scoffed at time; at the cost of performance; quality and enjoyable features.
CCP Rattati and to an greater extent CCP Rouge with continued positive support in steering this ship around; may look like a shanty boat now but who knows what it may be in the coming months.
Things are not perfect; they will never will be; changes will however will be constant and continue as we allow for it.
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Seed Dren
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
133
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Posted - 2015.04.12 07:01:00 -
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Stop using forge gun you ... you.... I got nothing. |
Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
5688
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Posted - 2015.04.12 07:06:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote:The question now is why the hell havent we moved to the PS4 yet. F2P is acceptable now on the new platforms and it is just a better console overall Shortest possible effing answer? Money Slightly longer? It is not so much the amount but rather how best to 'invest' it. CCP is after all a business they don't willing spend money chasing dreams they make chasing dreams a livelyhood instead.
Spending money on a game that will never be released (Legion) versus a game that is already released and making money (Dust).
Whether they are getting paid from the Dust budget or the R&D budget, those employees are costing CCP money. Dust is the only thing making a return on that ongoing investment. If Hilmar wants to keep them employed he needs to pull them off of that vaporware project to get to work on that port.
People in an existing console community want to play Dust as it was meant to be played on a stable system with a full feature set. Almost no one is actually hyped in the PC community for Legion. Market is over saturated and the game simply doesn't stand out enough to gain any traction in the short period of time they need it to.
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DeathwindRising
ROGUE RELICS
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Posted - 2015.04.12 08:14:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:So, without being able to confirm that Legion is being worked on daily, you've basically just confirmed that as far as evolution of the actual game goes...it's dead. It's nothing but bandaids from here on out. I mean we all knew this, it's just amusing to see you post it.
And obviously the game won't "die", but it sure as hell won't be going places. That is your conclusion if you choose to live with it. I am in no position to correct you either at this time so it's a very unfair position to assert here to which results in nothing positively worked on. I rather continue productive conversations. You tell us that basically nothing substantial can be added, I agree with you, and that makes me unfair Ok i interpreted you post as stating that theres no reason to play the game and that there's no reason for new players to try the game out. i found it offensive, yes. GÇ£It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so ******* what."~ Stephen Fry
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Shamarskii Simon
The Hundred Acre Hood Rise Of Legion.
309
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Posted - 2015.04.12 13:31:00 -
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I also think it's the experience CCP has with the ps3. Lots of people do say the cell processor is a b*tch to work with..
And you still didn't answer my question :-(
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The Attorney General
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Posted - 2015.04.12 16:09:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
People we hit the limits of the ps3. We hit it long time ago.
So then CCP should have been developing for a platform that could support the vision instead of screwing the pooch for two years.
The year of wasted dev time on Legion might have been better spent working on something that actually had a chance of coming out maybe?
Any new assets in the game will be tied to monetization, and seeing just how insane the people playing this game are.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2015.04.12 17:38:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:So, without being able to confirm that Legion is being worked on daily, you've basically just confirmed that as far as evolution of the actual game goes...it's dead. It's nothing but bandaids from here on out. I mean we all knew this, it's just amusing to see you post it.
And obviously the game won't "die", but it sure as hell won't be going places. That is your conclusion if you choose to live with it. I am in no position to correct you either at this time so it's a very unfair position to assert here to which results in nothing positively worked on. I rather continue productive conversations. Your such a ******* coward IWS.
Go work somewhere where insurance refuses you on the job alone because it has been consistently rated in the top 10 most dangerous places to work.
Or maybe the reason why I don't break NDA is because people like yourself are so prone to butt hurt becuase plans change from day to day and telling them things even in a day of advance is potential for alot of butthurt.
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Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.12 17:56:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:So, without being able to confirm that Legion is being worked on daily, you've basically just confirmed that as far as evolution of the actual game goes...it's dead. It's nothing but bandaids from here on out. I mean we all knew this, it's just amusing to see you post it.
And obviously the game won't "die", but it sure as hell won't be going places. That is your conclusion if you choose to live with it. I am in no position to correct you either at this time so it's a very unfair position to assert here to which results in nothing positively worked on. I rather continue productive conversations. Your such a ******* coward IWS. Go work somewhere where insurance refuses you on the job alone because it has been consistently rated in the top 10 most dangerous places to work. Or maybe the reason why I don't break NDA is because people like yourself are so prone to butt hurt becuase plans change from day to day and telling them things even in a day of advance is potential for alot of butthurt.
your'e sounding a bit butthurt now, just sayin'
what line of work are you talking about , not many that insurance completely refuses that I know of..you just get stuck with some high ass costs. Are you James Bond?
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2015.04.12 18:05:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:
your'e sounding a bit butthurt now, just sayin'
what line of work are you talking about , not many that insurance completely refuses that I know of..you just get stuck with some high ass costs. Are you James Bond?
I am pretty sure James Bond got better health care than I ever did. :P
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SgtMajSquish MLBJ
Consolidated Dust
421
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Posted - 2015.04.12 18:09:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote:The question now is why the hell havent we moved to the PS4 yet. F2P is acceptable now on the new platforms and it is just a better console overall Shortest possible effing answer? Money Slightly longer? It is not so much the amount but rather how best to 'invest' it. CCP is after all a business they don't willing spend money chasing dreams they make chasing dreams a livelyhood instead. Spending money on a game that will never be released (Legion) versus a game that is already released and making money (Dust). Whether they are getting paid from the Dust budget or the R&D budget, those employees are costing CCP money. Dust is the only thing making a return on that ongoing investment. If Hilmar wants to keep them employed he needs to pull them off of that vaporware project to get to work on that port. People in an existing console community want to play Dust as it was meant to be played on a stable system with a full feature set. Almost no one is actually hyped in the PC community for Legion. Market is over saturated and the game simply doesn't stand out enough to gain any traction in the short period of time they need it to. Many old players have accounts idling waiting for the PS4 launch. If CCP cannot see that this is the only successful route for them to go with this game, then they should never have joined the industry in the first place
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
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Posted - 2015.04.12 18:10:00 -
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DeathwindRising wrote: CCP did say this... last years fanfest and everyone went crazy and started quitting the game. To be fair, Legion was announced as a separate game, they weren't ready to answer questions like "will my stuff transfer?", and it shouldn't have been announced at FanFest. It wasn't so much that people were unhappy about the information but rather the announcement. Like a couple trying to have a baby, the doctor broke into their house, peed on the bed as they slept and shouted "YOU ARE PREGNANT!"
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SgtMajSquish MLBJ
Consolidated Dust
421
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Posted - 2015.04.12 18:15:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote:The question now is why the hell havent we moved to the PS4 yet. F2P is acceptable now on the new platforms and it is just a better console overall Because simply moving over can't be done, as it's an entirely different architecture. Let me refine this answer. It cannot be copy pasted over. I understood the post, IWC. I also understand that it cannot be CTRL+C > CTRL+Ved over alone.(God help up if you guys are using Macs) The game is based on the unreal engine. Everything that is happening within the engine actually can be copied over. what is left after that is your netcode(use someone elses) and whatever ties unreal to the systems. I am not saying that it is easy. I am saying that we have everything here already.
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Indianna Pwns
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
91
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Posted - 2015.04.12 18:47:00 -
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To everyone wanting a PS4 'port' of Dust, why are you so limited in your expectations that you would be happy with a simple port?
I want Legion for PS4 not Dust 514. I want CCP to learn from their mistakes and give us a better game, a fresh start. I want a more expansive, more feature rich, better balanced experience than Dust 514 in it's current form can offer.
I would even advocate everyone starting again with 500,000SP like a new character (your loyalty rank from Dust 514 could give you benefits maybe).
Like I said a PS4 version needs to be a fresh start, a better game completely rebuilt from the ground up. I'd rather see Dust 514 stay on the PS3 than be simply 'ported over to PS4'. |
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BAD FURRY
Oh No You Didn't
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Posted - 2015.04.12 19:29:00 -
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sorry but im stilll going to bomb your post with this
"Amarr HAV? Nope Amarr LAV? Nope Amarr DS? Nope Amarr MCC? Nope Minmatar HAV? Nope Minmatar LAV? Nope Minmatar DS? Nope Minmatar MCC? Nope MTACs? you wished. Speeders? in your dreams VTOLS? I wished... MAVs? Don't we all?"
All can be added ! its not hard or uses up a lot of kb to make a a model of them and slap a skin on it if anything its as the same cost as the gal and cal hav,s lav,s and drop-ships in facted back in 2008 the pre testing had yes only 1 map but had jets tanks jeeps drop ships speeders and apc,s most where all 4 races and done with the ps3 .
you want to know where most of the memory go,s in the game ? The MAP ! think about it when your driving around the map and some spots are lagy when others are not ? its do to the over place meant of parts like water gas dust kick up grass shadows and lighting of the map.
hack how meany times have you loged in( the reader) to a battle and watching the ground load as you where walking on it (you know when its 5 ft off the ground or looks like a box be for turning into a rood)
all the stuff you said they can add as well as remove some stuff from there maps to make the game run faster and load faster . ya the maps may not look like COD/ BF and more like CSS but as a player i dont care as long as the game is fun and most of my ranting is at other players not the game its self .
PS: i mean come on the maps are junk buggy and at points jumps up and eats your tanks but for the ps3 we dont need all the bells and paint for the map when we can get by on the low spec . save that junk for the ps4 or pc .............. or xbox one if you real want to KILL dust 514 and **** your fans off CCP
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2015.04.12 20:32:00 -
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Not arguing your expertise but just to check what in your perception is the impact performance of the moods?
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Shamarskii Simon
The Hundred Acre Hood Rise Of Legion.
312
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Posted - 2015.04.13 03:52:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Not arguing your expertise but just to check what in your perception is the impact performance of the moods?
toxic is just bad...
BUT! by lowering player visibility, that gives leeway for optimization.
And, are you able to share how somethings work? Especially with things being modified at runtime, etc.
Or im asking the wrong person?
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The Valyrian Mercenary Army
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Posted - 2015.04.13 04:38:00 -
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BAD FURRY wrote:hack how meany times have you loged in( the reader) to a battle and watching the ground load as you where walking on it (you know when its 5 ft off the ground or looks like a box be for turning into a rood)
Just yesterday I played an ambush on the production facility, I unloaded two clips on this guy up top through one of the windows getting all kind of ragey that he wasn't taking any damage and I wasn't getting any hit markers. So I just say fck it and start to look for someone else and just as I go to do that the fcking floor between me and the window loads in and I'm sitting there looking like an idiot, well more than usual.
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SgtMajSquish MLBJ
Consolidated Dust
421
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Posted - 2015.04.13 04:58:00 -
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Indianna Pwns wrote:To everyone wanting a PS4 'port' of Dust, why are you so limited in your expectations that you would be happy with a simple port?
I want Legion for PS4 not Dust 514. I want CCP to learn from their mistakes and give us a better game, a fresh start. I want a more expansive, more feature rich, better balanced experience than Dust 514 in it's current form can offer.
I would even advocate everyone starting again with 500,000SP like a new character (your loyalty rank from Dust 514 could give you benefits maybe).
Like I said a PS4 version needs to be a fresh start, a better game completely rebuilt from the ground up. I'd rather see Dust 514 stay on the PS3 than be simply 'ported over to PS4'. i agree with the fresh start
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2015.04.13 05:45:00 -
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Shamarskii Simon wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Not arguing your expertise but just to check what in your perception is the impact performance of the moods? toxic is just bad... BUT! by lowering player visibility, that gives leeway for optimization. And, are you able to share how somethings work? Especially with things being modified at runtime, etc. Or im asking the wrong person?
Mood impact has been found to be minimal.
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Shamarskii Simon
The Hundred Acre Hood Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.04.13 11:30:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Shamarskii Simon wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Not arguing your expertise but just to check what in your perception is the impact performance of the moods? toxic is just bad... BUT! by lowering player visibility, that gives leeway for optimization. And, are you able to share how somethings work? Especially with things being modified at runtime, etc. Or im asking the wrong person? Mood impact has been found to be minimal. Bad as in blind :( flying a DS in that mood is crazy.
Nvm my question, it doesnt matter anymore (not sarcasm)
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Mobius Wyvern
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Posted - 2015.04.13 13:36:00 -
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Come to think of it, this is great experience for the Dust devs.
Trying to design a game in the tiny little box they've forced themselves into will make them really good at trimming fat and being efficient, which will hopefully lead to whatever next platform they choose having shitloads of cool stuff thanks to that experience.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.04.13 13:43:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Come to think of it, this is great experience for the Dust devs.
Trying to design a game in the tiny little box they've forced themselves into will make them really good at trimming fat and being efficient, which will hopefully lead to whatever next platform they choose having shitloads of cool stuff thanks to that experience. I agree with you, but knowing our luck they will fire everyone who worked on Dust 514 and bring in a fresh team to work on Legion.
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BAD FURRY
Oh No You Didn't
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Posted - 2015.04.13 14:31:00 -
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Shamarskii Simon wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Shamarskii Simon wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Not arguing your expertise but just to check what in your perception is the impact performance of the moods? toxic is just bad... BUT! by lowering player visibility, that gives leeway for optimization. And, are you able to share how somethings work? Especially with things being modified at runtime, etc. Or im asking the wrong person? Mood impact has been found to be minimal. Bad as in blind :( flying a DS in that mood is crazy. Nvm my question, it doesnt matter anymore (not sarcasm)
driving a tank is just as bad if not worsts cuz now your a mill bill and can see more then 75 m
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