I find myself unable to be interested in PC. You have stated that it is "what all mercs should strive for" but I see it only as a more work intensive game mode that requires more planning, time, and ISK in order to play (IE, less fun). "Your corporation has 10 districts!" doesn't really make the individual want to do it. Allow me to paraphrase Ben 'Yahtzee' Croshaw:

(Speaking about World of Warcraft):
"I asked a raider 'why do you raid?'. They replied 'to get the best equipment.' I followed with 'what do you use the best equipment for?'. Their response: 'to raid with'."

That is kind of the same thing with PC except you don't get any of the best equipment so it is "I need the best equipment/tactics/SP/fittings to PC" but you don't get anything out of it. It only requires without giving. I understand that PC with Capsuleers being able to drop the hammer (and deliver some indiscriminate justice) is one of the unique selling points in DUST but I really have to ask why it is something that "all mercs should aspire (to do)"?

Glad to see that it is being worked on. Thanks for the update and for reaching out to the community for assistance!

I think it's in a good place right now, but I'm not a CEO.

Looking forward to seeing what PC can change and become. Just so long as we don't see a return to the days of nobody fighting and the big blue donut.

There is an exploit that needs to be stamped out. If everyone wants to just hold hands and sing kumbaya, I still don't think I have an answer for that

A part of this revamp is finding a unique, non power creep, reward, such as but not limited to district unique customization f.ex.

Thing about raiding, and difficult things, is that the fun is in the doing, it's not for everyone, but there is meaning in it, even if others find it repetitive or boring. Some of my best gaming experiences were WoW raids, but not "just for the loot to get better loot", it's not as simple as that. I also play W40k that takes hours to plan, even more hours to paint (if you do that) , make terrain, get your stuff to a friends house, all for a battle that may be lost in the first round. It's still fun.

I'm a fan of Total War style games.

Honestly, if we could build a game mode like that which had a more intricate ground map and rules associated with it, instead of this wheel of districts.... that'd be something worth playing.

Until the players playing on the planets can control or have direct influence over Planetary Infrastructure Material creation in New Eden..

PC largely looses the spark that it once had without it having some hope of actual purpose. The entire motivation around people organizing and giving up free time to participate in PC... Was that it was going somewhere that had actual meaning and impact on the New Eden Galaxy.

So it largely got treated as a training ground in anticipation for more influence and future reason to have tactical 16 man teams that where well practiced.



Until DUST 514 has a stake in the New Eden Galaxy Sandbox.... Any PC changes will strictly be cosmetic.. And merely placate the uninformed and or ignorant.

Smaller scale fights that can hurt a corporation are more likely to spark an extended conflict. If raiding is done in the form of 8 v 8 using small 3 point maps with a single large socket.

It's gotten to the point where with any PC fight most teams field some form of ringers because there just aren't enough quality players to fight these battles centralized in every corporation anymore. And that's ok, it's what alliances are for. But internet drama rarely starts at the alliance level, it starts at the corporation level. Corporations need to be able to more freely instigate bullshit and those small scale fights are a way to give them that freedom.


8 v 8 raiding is key imo.

Otherwise, it'd be the eve link, but from what I hear those guys don't give a damn about us anymore so focus on raiding. Constantly hitting up someones district before it fills up for the week and gets "extracted" would be a hilarious conflict driver.

That'd be sick :) Can you explain more on that?

CCP Ratatti you should give corps the ability to buy a MCC at a price of 75 million isk.

If the corp wins then they get to keep the mcc but if the corp loses then mcc lost and have to buy another one.

If corp A wants to attack 3 districts then that corp has to buy 3 MCC's.

Please look into this. Thank you :)

Dear players,

the time has come to finetune the ideas mentioned in this thread Planetary Conquest Revisited.

I have created a Planetary Conquest simulation spreadsheet, for us to duke out the actuals, from Clone cost, to attrition rates, to passive vs active income, activity per member, minimum size to run a single district and earning command points.

I have discussed and agreed with the CPM that the next course of action is to initiate direct contact with major Corporation CEO's, both those that are active in PC(how we can improve it), and those who aren't (how we can get them interested in PC).

Therefore, I would like to request that all CEO's that are interested in working directly with us, send their skype contact details, player name and corporation name, plus district ownership to [email protected]. I will arrange sessions, based on the participation and number of participants.

Please, pass the message forward, and especially if you or your corporation was active in PC, and quit for whatever reason.

Our current iteration, seems to be fairly robust and in-exploitable, but only rigorous discussion can verify that.

I certainly hope to see some emails in my inbox tonight.

If you've never played a Total War game, this footage will probably give you a decent idea of how a campaign works, but more importantly what the map looks like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQVodJKAkI0

For dust PC, I would do something similar to this, but "turns" can be done every 24 hours and how much you can do with those turns is dictated by district placement, clone count placement, and most importantly your number of available command points.

Now in Shogun 2, you have clearly defined borders around every province, as well as a town/castle at the center of it. Now replace the concept of a province with a district, and the town/castle with a planetary infrastructure of the corporations choice. Armies move about the map in Shogun 2 as icons of the general or highest ranking officer leading them. In Dust, they would be MCC's loaded with clone detachments.

But as in Total War, provinces/districts could also be upgraded with optional facilities on the side with more other functionality specific to that district. One such optional infrastructure when fully upgraded could make it so that the primary infrastructure has additional friendly large turret installations placed around defensive locations. Perhaps another upgrades the missile installations so that they have increased ranged and anti-air capability, shutting down early game enemy dropship strategies. Perhaps another is simply an increased clone reserve for that district, plain and simple.

Now ideally, I'd like it so fighting multiple battles in a row on a district meant fighting in different locations on that district for each battle. And having optional infrastructure gives us an excuse to do this.

Attacking from the north could have you engaging on one of the optional infrastructures to take out that ones specific advantage prior to the final showdown on the primary infrastructre, but leaving the advantage from the southern infrastructure at full strength. If an attacker is willing to take their time, they could drag out the engagement and hit every one of the optional facilities before taking on the main target in its weakened state.

(it also stands to reason that one of these optional facilities would be a skyfire battery for knocking out enemy eve support, but this demands that somebody on the EVE devteam actually gives a damn sadly)

There is an exploit that needs to be stamped out. If everyone wants to just hold hands and sing kumbaya, I still don't think I have an answer for that

There is an exploit that needs to be stamped out. If everyone wants to just hold hands and sing kumbaya, I still don't think I have an answer for that