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Lady MDK wrote:

el OPERATOR wrote:

Had a convo last night with a couple individuals who are involved in the skype talks and they made it apparent that the current plans for raiding do not include and will not consist of any sort of new game mode.

In the previous Feedback Thread regarding PC and proposed improvements I was very forthcoming about the benefits of a new mode and the need for actual new, worthwhile content as well as the benefit of it.

To not create new gameplay and instead just repackage the exact same gaming that currently exists will NOT inspire old players to return and stay and will also feed the discontent of existing players who have already tired of the extremely limited existing gameplay.

Squander this opportunity to improve the game and you squander this opportunity to improve the final profit margins.

Personally I will be very dissappointed if raiding doesnt allow me to sneak into a district and steal things off my target, a bit like a band of robbers infiltrating an enemy facility. As for the possibility of a fight? Well that will depend on the enemies ability to respond at that time, there maybe a chance that a full squad could respond and while im trying to steal stuff or not at all.

The map I imagine a bit like a large map with hackable storage facilities that store items like clones, weapons etc. I choose which ones I want then hack. I must control the point while a meter goes up a bit like in aquisition. The point then locks itself down again. If I want more stuff I need to hack again or move to another point.

A notification would go out to the owning alliance that a facility had been hacked, if they cannot respond then I will get away and the match will be very quick rather. if they do respond it comes down to clone count as to wether I can beat them or get away. There should be an exit point that signifies an escape.

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Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 348	Posted - 2015.04.11 06:33:00 - [181] - Quote Are there any plans to take pc into other regions of new Eden? Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8035	Posted - 2015.04.11 14:30:00 - [182] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: I think it's in a good place right now, but I'm not a CEO. Looking forward to seeing what PC can change and become. Just so long as we don't see a return to the days of nobody fighting and the big blue donut. There is an exploit that needs to be stamped out. If everyone wants to just hold hands and sing kumbaya, I still don't think I have an answer for that I do. It's why spy alts and agents provocateur exist. Do you have any idea how easy it actually is to get gamwrs to lose their sh*t and attack each other? Maintaining peace takes more effort. AV
The Lion ElJonson 1st Legion The Dark Angels 94	Posted - 2015.04.13 09:27:00 - [183] - Quote a Warbarged on auto pilot that has to make it from your newly conquered world to the next that your invading. Might need an EvE fleet escort and some shiny rewards for everyone but hey, why not? "Oh you brought Tanks?" "ATTACH BAYONETES BOYS!"
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5983	Posted - 2015.04.13 21:26:00 - [184] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: I think it's in a good place right now, but I'm not a CEO. Looking forward to seeing what PC can change and become. Just so long as we don't see a return to the days of nobody fighting and the big blue donut. There is an exploit that needs to be stamped out. If everyone wants to just hold hands and sing kumbaya, I still don't think I have an answer for that I think the reason everyone was holding hands singing kumbaya is because they all were already rolling in more ISK than the had any use for, and they don't want to waste it fighting in a game mode so high-risk that everyone uses the cheapest tactics they can muster. In other words, PC battles aren't fun and everyone was happy with what they had. Some details can be ignored
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 984	Posted - 2015.04.14 17:34:00 - [185] - Quote Had a convo last night with a couple individuals who are involved in the skype talks and they made it apparent that the current plans for raiding do not include and will not consist of any sort of new game mode. In the previous Feedback Thread regarding PC and proposed improvements I was very forthcoming about the benefits of a new mode and the need for actual new, worthwhile content as well as the benefit of it. To not create new gameplay and instead just repackage the exact same gaming that currently exists will NOT inspire old players to return and stay and will also feed the discontent of existing players who have already tired of the extremely limited existing gameplay. Squander this opportunity to improve the game and you squander this opportunity to improve the final profit margins. Open-Beta Vet. Egbinger Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
anaboop Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 167	Posted - 2015.04.15 07:02:00 - [186] - Quote PC battles should be more then just killing clones. Add set goals that the team has to complete as well, to add something different then everyone running the exact same suit. And the Null cannons are not a set goal. Fully sick Anaboop trading card
Golden Day Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1327	Posted - 2015.04.17 02:48:00 - [187] - Quote Just a random idea Districts should be able to build drones these drones are deployed into space and help the eve pilots with fights District - Drone manufacturing plant Builds drones deploys them into space and help Eggers defend the system the district is in...... I know you wan't it *( -í° -£-û -í°)*
tritan abbattere DBAG CORE 62	Posted - 2015.04.21 05:44:00 - [188] - Quote I kinda had an idea. What if we made PC more passive. Any enemy can jump into the area to a maximum of 16 at anytime And just like in eve if they damage a said object it goes reenforced After reinforcement you can Choose to fight for it. A raid would not putting it in reinforcement and steeling resources. But in that area blues can clone jump in at any time to do a non PVP thing to make money. This will help players that are having a bad day just relax if its well protect as 1 solider can cause a little grief but not enough to matter if your in a group. And this adds a sense of attachment to districts as its a resource you can use directly as a player to gain isk. How players get to the planets and districts is we have war barges that can move. Maybe districts can have orbital defenses so your war barge could take damage that takes isk to repair and if lost would not get bonuses tell you repair it and repair costs would be Way higher. Still keep war barge levels in subsystems after loss and repair. This adds options for the war barge to have more subsystems as well example jump drives. As for the making isk part drones come to mind that you can kill but then its hard to make the AI for that. Another Idea is a type of mining or/and manufacturing. Those may seem a little boring to some players and this would be a long term goal as the development would be long and hard for this idea but it would be something I would like to see. Just putting ideas out there. I am the all mighty Tritan. Fear me for I am a MassHole
tritan abbattere DBAG CORE 62	Posted - 2015.04.21 05:46:00 - [189] - Quote Golden Day wrote: Just a random idea Districts should be able to build drones these drones are deployed into space and help the eve pilots with fights District - Drone manufacturing plant Builds drones deploys them into space and help Eggers defend the system the district is in...... also love this idea :D Eve pilots could get resources from killing these drones which would make eve pilots more interested in PC. If each drone dropped 10 million in isk Eve pilots would love going there. I am the all mighty Tritan. Fear me for I am a MassHole
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 1138	Posted - 2015.04.26 19:37:00 - [190] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: I think it's in a good place right now, but I'm not a CEO. Looking forward to seeing what PC can change and become. Just so long as we don't see a return to the days of nobody fighting and the big blue donut. There is an exploit that needs to be stamped out. If everyone wants to just hold hands and sing kumbaya, I still don't think I have an answer for that The obvious answer is for CCP to log into the accounts of certain CEO's of PC involved corps, and send hateful profane messages to other CEO's. That will get the wars started. Who cares what some sniper has to say. **--CCP, let's push for the license of Dust/Legion on both current Gen consoles-

Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 5054	Posted - 2015.04.28 04:50:00 - [191] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: I think it's in a good place right now, but I'm not a CEO. Looking forward to seeing what PC can change and become. Just so long as we don't see a return to the days of nobody fighting and the big blue donut. There is an exploit that needs to be stamped out. If everyone wants to just hold hands and sing kumbaya, I still don't think I have an answer for that The obvious answer is for CCP to log into the accounts of certain CEO's of PC involved corps, and send hateful profane messages to other CEO's. That will get the wars started. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
DEATH THE KlD Seven Kin of Purgatory 228	Posted - 2015.04.28 06:35:00 - [192] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: I think it's in a good place right now, but I'm not a CEO. Looking forward to seeing what PC can change and become. Just so long as we don't see a return to the days of nobody fighting and the big blue donut. There is an exploit that needs to be stamped out. If everyone wants to just hold hands and sing kumbaya, I still don't think I have an answer for that The obvious answer is for CCP to log into the accounts of certain CEO's of PC involved corps, and send hateful profane messages to other CEO's. That will get the wars started. What I miss the most...+å's anti-gg law
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 1145	Posted - 2015.04.28 18:00:00 - [193] - Quote In all seriousness, I think ISK profit in PC should be mostly EVE derived. Holding a district should benefit EVE players ( not an EVE player so I don't know the best way to implement that) who in turn HIRE merc corps to go in and seize districts for them in exchange for ISK. This is where the EVE Dust connection should come in to play. If a Dust Corp holds a district, they could generate ISK from it, but that ISK would have to come from an EVE Corp who wants to mine or whatever. In that sense a dust Corp could try to permanently hold some land, and charge a form of "rent" to an EVE corp. Who cares what some sniper has to say. **--CCP, let's push for the license of Dust/Legion on both current Gen consoles-
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 5088	Posted - 2015.05.04 09:42:00 - [194] - Quote If you are curious about how current PC mechanics work take a look at this guide: http://biomassed.net/2015/04/30/planetary-conquest-a-guide-to-the-dark-art/ I tried my best to condense all of the current PC rules down into one place. Hope it helps! Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
DJINN Jecture Templar of the Glowing Blade 366	Posted - 2015.05.08 06:00:00 - [195] - Quote JJ'S wrote: Until the players playing on the planets can control or have direct influence over Planetary Infrastructure Material creation in New Eden.. PC largely looses the spark that it once had without it having some hope of actual purpose. The entire motivation around people organizing and giving up free time to participate in PC... Was that it was going somewhere that had actual meaning and impact on the New Eden Galaxy. So it largely got treated as a training ground in anticipation for more influence and future reason to have tactical 16 man teams that where well practiced. Until DUST 514 has a stake in the New Eden Galaxy Sandbox.... Any PC changes will strictly be cosmetic.. And merely placate the uninformed and or ignorant. Well said, I agree with this wholeheartedly. I, as a ceo of a 2 man corp, feel that there is not only no meaning to having any participation in PC atm mostly due to the lack of benefit both Dust side as well as Eve side to being involved in PC, nor should it be undertaken if you don't plan on sinking real money in and have at least 2-3 eve pilots to drop OBs for you. It's just not worth it anymore and even when it was worth it, it wasn't in the end due to CEO/player greed based on my experience with both Hellstorm as well as Burgezz and GIANT when it was PC 1.0. Its a great opportunity to work with a full team of corpmates but l know that the end result is almost always the same, burnt out players switching to other games when they have given up defending or losing districts. I've posted at length on the subject, if CCP wants my input, I don't have skype anymore but would install it and forward my contact info. I have always been willing to give input, feel free to In Game Mail me or contact me in EVE, you guys know my contact details, oh and I also hang out in DevHangout if you want to come into game and run a round or two with me in my squad, we could chat then too. *-ç +æ+Ä ß+¦ß¦+Gé¦ß+¡ !!!* *ß¦äß¦â-à*
Tebu Gan Capital Acquisitions LLC 1420	Posted - 2015.05.12 15:41:00 - [196] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: If you are curious about how current PC mechanics work take a look at this guide: http://biomassed.net/2015/04/30/planetary-conquest-a-guide-to-the-dark-art/ I tried my best to condense all of the current PC rules down into one place. Hope it helps! You should throw this link out into the rookie training grounds too. Great read. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 365	Posted - 2015.05.13 20:53:00 - [197] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: Had a convo last night with a couple individuals who are involved in the skype talks and they made it apparent that the current plans for raiding do not include and will not consist of any sort of new game mode. In the previous Feedback Thread regarding PC and proposed improvements I was very forthcoming about the benefits of a new mode and the need for actual new, worthwhile content as well as the benefit of it. To not create new gameplay and instead just repackage the exact same gaming that currently exists will NOT inspire old players to return and stay and will also feed the discontent of existing players who have already tired of the extremely limited existing gameplay. Squander this opportunity to improve the game and you squander this opportunity to improve the final profit margins. Personally I will be very dissappointed if raiding doesnt allow me to sneak into a district and steal things off my target, a bit like a band of robbers infiltrating an enemy facility. As for the possibility of a fight? Well that will depend on the enemies ability to respond at that time, there maybe a chance that a full squad could respond and while im trying to steal stuff or not at all. The map I imagine a bit like a large map with hackable storage facilities that store items like clones, weapons etc. I choose which ones I want then hack. I must control the point while a meter goes up a bit like in aquisition. The point then locks itself down again. If I want more stuff I need to hack again or move to another point. A notification would go out to the owning alliance that a facility had been hacked, if they cannot respond then I will get away and the match will be very quick rather. if they do respond it comes down to clone count as to wether I can beat them or get away. There should be an exit point that signifies an escape. Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC 1115	Posted - 2015.05.15 21:14:00 - [198] - Quote Lady MDK wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: Had a convo last night with a couple individuals who are involved in the skype talks and they made it apparent that the current plans for raiding do not include and will not consist of any sort of new game mode. In the previous Feedback Thread regarding PC and proposed improvements I was very forthcoming about the benefits of a new mode and the need for actual new, worthwhile content as well as the benefit of it. To not create new gameplay and instead just repackage the exact same gaming that currently exists will NOT inspire old players to return and stay and will also feed the discontent of existing players who have already tired of the extremely limited existing gameplay. Squander this opportunity to improve the game and you squander this opportunity to improve the final profit margins. Personally I will be very dissappointed if raiding doesnt allow me to sneak into a district and steal things off my target, a bit like a band of robbers infiltrating an enemy facility. As for the possibility of a fight? Well that will depend on the enemies ability to respond at that time, there maybe a chance that a full squad could respond and while im trying to steal stuff or not at all. The map I imagine a bit like a large map with hackable storage facilities that store items like clones, weapons etc. I choose which ones I want then hack. I must control the point while a meter goes up a bit like in aquisition. The point then locks itself down again. If I want more stuff I need to hack again or move to another point. A notification would go out to the owning alliance that a facility had been hacked, if they cannot respond then I will get away and the match will be very quick rather. if they do respond it comes down to clone count as to wether I can beat them or get away. There should be an exit point that signifies an escape. You and I it seems are not very far apart opinion/desire-wise on raiding NOT being a simple bush/dom/skirm battle that pays from district assets instead of pub faction "ether". Timing-wise, insofar as "sneaking in", I definitely find the idea of an instant queuing not just innappropriate (takes planning, setup, coordination etc to get a district but only the press of a battle queue button to raid it?) but also extremely illogical. We're in a universe of raiders/pirates but the first alarm we get is when you're aleeady hacking an asset? Alarm bells should go off the minute a WarBarge transport hits orbit over a district at the latest and really should have communicated that transport being inbound long before. As well as the "asset being hacked" alarms. Last info I saw on it has raids actually occurring up to a few hours out, that seems minimally reasonable to me, relative to what the final cost CP-wise as well as the final impact asset loss-wise become. It sounds all well and good to just have districts be these "soft targets" but if they're made too soft (ie. cheap and easy to hit) no one will keep them leaving them useless to be raided upon. As I said before I think we're mostly thinking along the same lines as far as it being a different style game mode, the final purpose is different (its a robbery) so really, from start to finish the process should be different. Whether its an Aquisition-based round robin of random point control or something that requires say, designation of a depot drop which once its in place then theres a hack and collect portion with all results then needing depositing into the depot for asset extraction or specialized vehicle components (hey, look! role expansion!) to collect and return stolen assets to extraction craft (mcc) or w/e the Design Club is able to cook up within the limits we have. For pete's sake just not an insta-queue auto-pub. Open-Beta Vet. Egbinger Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 3528	Posted - 2015.05.16 11:58:00 - [199] - Quote I would love districts a lot more if when there were not actual battles scheduled, we could perhaps load into the map, chose side A or side B and just fight free form ( random skirmish or aquisition perhaps?) Obviously only my corp members could get in there so it would be a mostly safe enviroment. This way we could set up mock battles, tournaments, training and above all a really safe place for a new player to try out and practice new vehicles and weapons! Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? SCV Ready!
Luther Mandrix WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL RUST415 568	Posted - 2015.05.16 14:50:00 - [200] - Quote Luther Mandrix wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: One question, and this is a crazy one. If we were to setup a system that allows a SKIN to take into account the Corporation Name. Would corporations be interested in having CCP customize, based on request, a corp skin that would be available in the marketplace, but say "This SKIN only appilies if you are in D-Uni", for example? I don't have the tech yet, but this seems fairly awesome, so I would love to get your feedback. A bit of a off-topic, but I already have 30 plus top corp emails joining the cause, so I'm happy. We would love this make it so Number One We have a Corp logo generator .How about a Corp skin generator or maybe a rental Corp Skin corp pays x amount to skinsRus a month to keep Rental Corp Skins active for Corp members.

TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 2065	Posted - 2015.05.16 16:11:00 - [201] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: I would love districts a lot more if when there were not actual battles scheduled, we could perhaps load into the map, chose side A or side B and just fight free form ( random skirmish or aquisition perhaps?) Obviously only my corp members could get in there so it would be a mostly safe enviroment. This way we could set up mock battles, tournaments, training and above all a really safe place for a new player to try out and practice new vehicles and weapons! Something like this would be great.. even better if it functioned like this.. - District opens to Corp members at reinforcement timer (for one hour) while district is 'online' - After 10 mins - enemies can deploy into your open district and rain on your parade This would make it near impossible for Corps to stack District timers, as they would all be open at once Using the Planetary Conquest tab - ANY merc can deploy and go shoot at you. Each merc deploying has to pay Concord for '10' clones for their use in battle.. As a merc loses his 10, another player could join or they could re-join buying 10 more Possibly giving the Defenders unlimited clones during this (but they lose 150 off district if MCC is destroyed) OR they just lose clone reinforcement, possibly adding new rewards/losses.. who knows I would not allow the district to be flipped during this hour but it would hit upto 150 clones if defeated So regular attacks would have to be placed for flips and during these the district would not be open to public. This opens both - District training/events along with Raiding sigh Te Sbundo'd
Haerr The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2	Posted - 2015.05.18 14:56:00 - [202] - Quote Rumor has it raiding won't be in the first PC2.0 patch, what's up with that?
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 9	Posted - 2015.05.18 16:30:00 - [203] - Quote Haerr wrote: Rumor has it raiding won't be in the first PC2.0 patch, what's up with that? Headcount concerns in High Mu queue? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 22	Posted - 2015.05.25 07:02:00 - [204] - Quote New update on PC here https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=203526&find=unread "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"



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