Why don't you instead of complain that you are the bottom of the barrel (which is untrue) just propose numbers. This dropships +X, this Dropship +Y, swam launcher range - X. 2 pages of feeling sorry for yourselves is not going to help at all.

For example:

This Shield Hardener cost really messed up my fittings as I rely on them to tank 3 shots with X. Is it possible to increas PG by 10 because the nerf was meant for triple hardened Gunnlogis.

Thanks,
Smart player

Why don't you instead of complain that you are the bottom of the barrel (which is untrue) just propose numbers. This dropships +X, this Dropship +Y, swam launcher range - X. 2 pages of feeling sorry for yourselves is not going to help at all.

For example:

This Shield Hardener cost really messed up my fittings as I rely on them to tank 3 shots with X. Is it possible to increas PG by 10 because the nerf was meant for triple hardened Gunnlogis.

Thanks,
Smart player

Why don't you instead of complain that you are the bottom of the barrel (which is untrue) just propose numbers. This dropships +X, this Dropship +Y, swam launcher range - X. 2 pages of feeling sorry for yourselves is not going to help at all.

For example:

This Shield Hardener cost really messed up my fittings as I rely on them to tank 3 shots with X. Is it possible to increas PG by 10 because the nerf was meant for triple hardened Gunnlogis.

Thanks,
Smart player

Ratt, i wish it was that easy.
We aren't at the bottom with you but with everyone else?

It's just "IT FLIES? KILL IT WITH FIRE!"
Imagine the uproar that comes with someone asking for a buff to ADS of any kind. Whether it be fair or not, people just don't like us.

Why don't you instead of complain that you are the bottom of the barrel (which is untrue) just propose numbers. This dropships +X, this Dropship +Y, swam launcher range - X. 2 pages of feeling sorry for yourselves is not going to help at all.

For example:

This Shield Hardener cost really messed up my fittings as I rely on them to tank 3 shots with X. Is it possible to increas PG by 10 because the nerf was meant for triple hardened Gunnlogis.

Thanks,
Smart player

Why don't you instead of complain that you are the bottom of the barrel (which is untrue) just propose numbers. This dropships +X, this Dropship +Y, swam launcher range - X. 2 pages of feeling sorry for yourselves is not going to help at all.

Not gonna lie last time we tried to explain how to balance ads with av you chose to listen to Av over actual pilots and the result now is the almost never escaping swarms that can 2~3 shot us. Well at least xeno what his face isn't here going on about how every ads is going 80/0

I love that this thread gets a Blue Tag while several other reasonable threads about Swarm and/or ADS balance get ignored. I especially love that the Blue Tag is essentially, "lol be quiet and do the things you've already done so I can ignore them again."



Love,
Bittervet.

It's the nature of not willing to give on anything is why people usually don't like DS pilots, generally. They say a lot of unreasonable things, and when told so, or asking for a compromise, they do a sparky and just say, "No, you're simply wrong.". That's how it has been since day one pretty much.

You really want to bring that up as "ads pilots being the victims" . The result is actually not terribly OP dropships that still have a place in PC, and good pilots can easily go 20 KDR in pubs.

You really want to bring that up as "ads pilots being the victims" . The result is actually not terribly OP dropships that still have a place in PC, and good pilots can easily go 20 KDR in pubs.

You have to be at the top of your game w maxed skills to get a 20 KDR, and even then you'll be running from swarms most of the match waiting for your mods to cooldown.

IDK man, some AV guys are pretty ignorant just like some ADS guys. Thankfully with respec's the ignorance per ADS is getting lower per se... but I'm not sure about the other side.

But what about the reasonable? They still aren't listened to.
I think it's that we feel unheard, that no one else wants us to live. It drove some into respec or simply being mad because somethings aren't resolved/fixed.

Now, i can't apologize for the ignorant ones sadly... They should. But, the reasonable deserve a chance.
like you've said before, "when people fight for what they love, blood, tears, or even bullets are exchanged to protect it"

^ not exact quote

And simply some of us on the ADS side feel we fought so long, but are still losing.


I don't know where I went with this... But it feels like I'm understanding the whole hate between the two better.

I love the assumption of "ignored". Where is the consolidated ADS thread with numbers so I can feast my eyes on it?

Why don't you instead of complain that you are the bottom of the barrel (which is untrue) just propose numbers. This dropships +X, this Dropship +Y, swam launcher range - X. 2 pages of feeling sorry for yourselves is not going to help at all.

For example:

This Shield Hardener cost really messed up my fittings as I rely on them to tank 3 shots with X. Is it possible to increas PG by 10 because the nerf was meant for triple hardened Gunnlogis.

Thanks,
Smart player

Hang on, i really have nothing to add to the conversation, i simply find this post hilarious and amazing.

Please carry on with the waaaaahmbulance ride.

The assumption of ignored is because threads like this, which are expressing resentment, get a Dev coming in and having a go where other threads that express reasonable ideas (some are better than others and some need work, but the ideas and presentation are reasonable) get 'ignored' - maybe instead of commenting on a negative thread, you can comment on a positive thread, even if it's a simple, " I have looked at this" post.

There's no big thread, that I'm aware of, but there are many related suggestions:
Juno Tristan's Swarm operation changes. While not specifically an ADS thread, it is a large factor of why DS pilots so vehemently hate Swarms - that they are so incredibly simple to use while being arguably the most effective AV weapon. This thread talks about changing it such that both Swarmer and all vehicle users can use some skills in the fight.

My own thread about Small Missiles and ADSs given after you asked for community proposed stats. Intended to separate AP and AT small missiles to make them less jack-of-all-trades and make the AP variant much more strafing run-y.

Another of my own, about the skills involved in the ADS tree and also some work on small turret variants.

Thread by Breakin Stuff asking for help with modifying DS modules and stats.

Godin Thekiller's ideas about bonusing Dropships to make people want to be transported.

Another quality of life change suggested by DUST Fiend. A warning system for already travelling Swarms since, again, they are the biggest offenders in V/AV non-enjoyment.

An idea to increase the efficacy of teamwork in a dropship by Kaeru Nayiri.

Some feedback and a conclusion from Foxhound Elite about dropship HP

There are some older threads that I do not have the energy to dredge up from the depths of the forum (from now on I'll have to use my Favourites/Subscribing more aggressively) but hopefully these show you that there are many ideas that are not merely whinging and are actually contributory in respectful ways...that apparently get ignored when you're perfectly happy to come and rag on a thread like this.

Point taken to post at least once, I read every single one of these.

GǪGǪGǪ..
GǪGǪGǪ.
GǪGǪGǪ.. How many pages was the dev-thread for HAV Progression? 100+ pages? I didn't read through much of it, but I can imagine the discussion was as heated as Rattati hinted it was.

I still think, right now is a little too early for individual players (ANY of us) to stand up and post "facts" about the Dropship's quality and things it deserves. It's always a bad idea to (and too easy to) fall into the impression that you're representing the views of your fellow vehicle-players. Especially when it comes to the DS.

I get a feeling that, if we trace Dust 514 back far enough, we'll find that DS players (yep, I will count myself as guilty too) were the first players to get nipple-fixation over their Dust toy, and, wellGǪum, we are guilty of letting our cocky idea of flying get in the way of:

--Agreeing on some fundamentals that we like about the fitting-slots and module-stacking, which can help the devs toward creating a Progression the way they've established for HAVs.

--Getting CCP a consensus set of "jobs" or functions for the DS, which had begun being debated back in 2013, but repeatedly gets derailed in a gasoline fire.

--Earning much healthy social-cooperation or gameplay respect from the players who drive OTHER vehicles or who happen to do OTHER jobs in this infantry-game besides "Dropship Piloting".

I personally don't think these player-authored threads will survive any better than the 2013 threadsGǪ not until Rattati starts his own official Dropship-Progression thread. And even then, pleaseGǪ. we're gonna have to swallow a LOT of humble pie amongst ourselves in order to help the devs keep the thread viable.

Let the Devs handle the cpu/pg reworking, and perhaps let them handle the modules and Skilling rework too.
Take a breather and lay off the AVers a bit (they aren't as big an enemy to us as we have been to ourselves).
I know we've often felt ignored before,GǪ but this time finally the devs DO want to start discussing the DS; maybe let's let Rattati choose which parts they want to discuss and how.
(ugh, I'm sounding like Gandhi, or something)

It's just that, if HAV-Progression took 100 pages to debate, I just don't want our chance at restoring DS to end up 500+ pages and a Dev-failure due to too much of our own,GǪ.well, "pilot righteousness".

The assumption of ignored is because threads like this, which are expressing resentment, get a Dev coming in and having a go where other threads that express reasonable ideas (some are better than others and some need work, but the ideas and presentation are reasonable) get 'ignored' - maybe instead of commenting on a negative thread, you can comment on a positive thread, even if it's a simple, " I have looked at this" post.

There's no big thread, that I'm aware of, but there are many related suggestions:
Juno Tristan's Swarm operation changes. While not specifically an ADS thread, it is a large factor of why DS pilots so vehemently hate Swarms - that they are so incredibly simple to use while being arguably the most effective AV weapon. This thread talks about changing it such that both Swarmer and all vehicle users can use some skills in the fight.

My own thread about Small Missiles and ADSs given after you asked for community proposed stats. Intended to separate AP and AT small missiles to make them less jack-of-all-trades and make the AP variant much more strafing run-y.

Another of my own, about the skills involved in the ADS tree and also some work on small turret variants.

Thread by Breakin Stuff asking for help with modifying DS modules and stats.

Godin Thekiller's ideas about bonusing Dropships to make people want to be transported.

Another quality of life change suggested by DUST Fiend. A warning system for already travelling Swarms since, again, they are the biggest offenders in V/AV non-enjoyment.

An idea to increase the efficacy of teamwork in a dropship by Kaeru Nayiri.

Some feedback and a conclusion from Foxhound Elite about dropship HP

There are some older threads that I do not have the energy to dredge up from the depths of the forum (from now on I'll have to use my Favourites/Subscribing more aggressively) but hopefully these show you that there are many ideas that are not merely whinging and are actually contributory in respectful ways...that apparently get ignored when you're perfectly happy to come and rag on a thread like this.

The problem, pokey, is that CCP is buffing and nerfing av and tanks left right and centre to achieve balance but no consideration for dropships is being put in. This leads to more bad than good since av will always increase and tanks get better, and as tanks get better nerfs will come to modules. This all affects the dropships so why aren't they being considered? Are we just a side effect?

GǪGǪGǪ..
GǪGǪGǪ.
GǪGǪGǪ.. How many pages was the dev-thread for HAV Progression? 100+ pages? I didn't read through much of it, but I can imagine the discussion was as heated as Rattati hinted it was.

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Why don't you instead of complain that you are the bottom of the barrel (which is untrue) just propose numbers. This dropships +X, this Dropship +Y, swam launcher range - X. 2 pages of feeling sorry for yourselves is not going to help at all.

For example:

This Shield Hardener cost really messed up my fittings as I rely on them to tank 3 shots with X. Is it possible to increas PG by 10 because the nerf was meant for triple hardened Gunnlogis.

Thanks,
Smart player

As heated as an Alaskan hooker wo teeth.