DUST Search - Dropships: the future

CELESTA AUNGM wrote:

GÇªGÇªGÇª..
What?

GÇªGÇªGÇª.
GÇªGÇªGÇª.. Sad

How many pages was the dev-thread for HAV Progression? 100+ pages? I didn't read through much of it, but I can imagine the discussion was as heated as Rattati hinted it was.

I still think, right now is a little too early for individual players (ANY of us) to stand up and post "facts" about the Dropship's quality and things it deserves. It's always a bad idea to (and too easy to) fall into the impression that you're representing the views of your fellow vehicle-players. Especially when it comes to the DS.

I get a feeling that, if we trace Dust 514 back far enough, we'll find that DS players (yep, I will count myself as guilty too) were the first players to get nipple-fixation over their Dust toy, and, wellGÇªum, we are guilty of letting our cocky idea of flying get in the way of:

--Agreeing on some fundamentals that we like about the fitting-slots and module-stacking, which can help the devs toward creating a Progression the way they've established for HAVs.

--Getting CCP a consensus set of "jobs" or functions for the DS, which had begun being debated back in 2013, but repeatedly gets derailed in a gasoline fire.

--Earning much healthy social-cooperation or gameplay respect from the players who drive OTHER vehicles or who happen to do OTHER jobs in this infantry-game besides "Dropship Piloting".

I personally don't think these player-authored threads will survive any better than the 2013 threadsGÇª not until Rattati starts his own official Dropship-Progression thread. And even then, pleaseGÇª. we're gonna have to swallow a LOT of humble pie amongst ourselves in order to help the devs keep the thread viable.

Let the Devs handle the cpu/pg reworking, and perhaps let them handle the modules and Skilling rework too.
Take a breather and lay off the AVers a bit (they aren't as big an enemy to us as we have been to ourselves).
I know we've often felt ignored before,GÇª but this time finally the devs DO want to start discussing the DS; maybe let's let Rattati choose which parts they want to discuss and how.
(ugh, I'm sounding like Gandhi, or something Oops

)

It's just that, if HAV-Progression took 100 pages to debate, I just don't want our chance at restoring DS to end up 500+ pages and a Dev-failure due to too much of our own,GÇª.well, "pilot righteousness".


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MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2395	Posted - 2015.03.16 07:47:00 - [1] - Quote CELESTA AUNGM wrote: GÇªGÇªGÇª.. GÇªGÇªGÇª. GÇªGÇªGÇª.. How many pages was the dev-thread for HAV Progression? 100+ pages? I didn't read through much of it, but I can imagine the discussion was as heated as Rattati hinted it was. I still think, right now is a little too early for individual players (ANY of us) to stand up and post "facts" about the Dropship's quality and things it deserves. It's always a bad idea to (and too easy to) fall into the impression that you're representing the views of your fellow vehicle-players. Especially when it comes to the DS. I get a feeling that, if we trace Dust 514 back far enough, we'll find that DS players (yep, I will count myself as guilty too) were the first players to get nipple-fixation over their Dust toy, and, wellGÇªum, we are guilty of letting our cocky idea of flying get in the way of: --Agreeing on some fundamentals that we like about the fitting-slots and module-stacking, which can help the devs toward creating a Progression the way they've established for HAVs. --Getting CCP a consensus set of "jobs" or functions for the DS, which had begun being debated back in 2013, but repeatedly gets derailed in a gasoline fire. --Earning much healthy social-cooperation or gameplay respect from the players who drive OTHER vehicles or who happen to do OTHER jobs in this infantry-game besides "Dropship Piloting". I personally don't think these player-authored threads will survive any better than the 2013 threadsGÇª not until Rattati starts his own official Dropship-Progression thread. And even then, pleaseGÇª. we're gonna have to swallow a LOT of humble pie amongst ourselves in order to help the devs keep the thread viable. Let the Devs handle the cpu/pg reworking, and perhaps let them handle the modules and Skilling rework too. Take a breather and lay off the AVers a bit (they aren't as big an enemy to us as we have been to ourselves). I know we've often felt ignored before,GÇª but this time finally the devs DO want to start discussing the DS; maybe let's let Rattati choose which parts they want to discuss and how. (ugh, I'm sounding like Gandhi, or something) It's just that, if HAV-Progression took 100 pages to debate, I just don't want our chance at restoring DS to end up 500+ pages and a Dev-failure due to too much of our own,GÇª.well, "pilot righteousness". Some people on either side of the discussion can be real **ing idiots, and there's people who really like trying to get others worked up. That said going straight from last patch to this one I found all of my previously fit shield dropships 'broken' because of the changes to hardener CPU/pg changes. In the immediate I think giving the python +20 CPU & pg would fix some things. As far as other things I'd really like to see dumbfired single projectile but homing against vehicles @ ~40-50m swarms (imagine its a plc with no arc that shoots av grenades). Beyond that I think that the single shot dmg on rail tanks is a bit too high and I'd like to see current dmg/shot and heat halved, while RoF, mag size, and ammo are doubled. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2396	Posted - 2015.03.16 14:11:00 - [2] - Quote BAMM HAVOC wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Point taken to post at least once, I read every single one of these. Rat man, dude.... chill out. You work to much as it is anyways, you stress after every single "hotfix" on a forum that always toxic. Here is some free advice that you have not asked for, beer cures most things in life for everything else there is bacon. Things start becoming clearer after 6 or 7 pints. o7 Would second this, rattati does good stuff even if I don't always like it. This patch has been pretty good. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2396	Posted - 2015.03.16 17:19:00 - [3] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: BAMM HAVOC wrote: Things start becoming clearer after 6 or 7 pints. o7 Drinking beer for that is terrible advice. I've done some stupid things while drunk. You say some really stupid s*. Yeah, but you do a lot of stupid stuff when you aren't drunk, so you've hardly set the bar high for yourself as an example. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2405	Posted - 2015.03.17 14:35:00 - [4] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: manboar thunder fist wrote: The recent changes to AV, just going to throw this out there... WHAT Changes to AV have affected dropships? The only thing that has changed is the AV nade count. Not trolling when I say if that has seriously affected the utility of dropships, there's a pilot error problem. Because there has been no other change to AV. So your thesis statement confuses me. Well there's been changes to hardeners, so obviously that's an AV buff!!!.... Oh and PLC's got stronger too! I also don't understand the thesis statement. I have had a lot of my fits invalidated though by the changes to resource costs and prior to this patch it was practically impossible to use dropships anyways due to how powerful swarms were. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.