Nova knives cheesey? Your just jelly you cant use them.

1. If you're saying that a large blaster installation has more killing potential than a heavy, that is a blatant lie.

2. You seem to use a lot of analogy, did you know that heavies get the same passive scans scouts do as long as they're on the same team? It takes about 4.5 seconds for a scout to fire off 3 rounds, where as the heavy only requires 1 second to turn to the scout and another second to blast 792 damage which 3x an ewar scout's hp. The closer a target is the easier it is to hit it because it's closer to you no amount of strafe will prevent a heavy from killing a suit at 1-5m, the range of a shotgun. I don't think that the scouts are at a disadvantage because heavies can strafe, scouts are at a disadvantage to begin with, heavies strafing is just icing on the cake.

3. Nope, E-war was nerfed to shite and when everyone realized the role that the scout was meant to play is no longer effective enough to justify using E-war on a scout. I mean yeah the fotm scrubs left the suit alone, but not even the actual scouts who use e-war can see good reason to use it other than cloak sg, and nks(neither of which involve e-war). I'm fine with the hmg melting at cqc the problem arises when "cqc" is defined as 52 m with a gun that spews upto 3000 damage before overheating, and the risk becomes even smaller when every suit that uses the HMG has 1000 hp minimum. I mean it's so ridiculously OP, even I could be a decent PC heavy, and I have been.

I don't care when I run through a hallway and get blown up because I didn't flux first or look around for remotes, but when a scout can pop out around a corner, frisbee a remote 20 meters and detonate it before it his the ground there is a problem. Remotes are ruining the game. It's freakin ridiculous.

1. You're reaching because you tried to use the speed of a heavy as an asset. And now you are comparing it to a large blaster turret. You have to see the fail in this.

2. I'm not sure what you are trying to do anymore. Now, you are talking about a scenario if a heavy has a scout in his squad to try and help your argument. And you mention "4.5 secs" for a scout to get 3 shots off. Are you accounting for how many shots the scout has placed in the heavy while his back was turned and can't see him? What is up with you an numbers though?

3. Scouts weren't using it for ewar...mostly. They were using it as slayer scouts because you can do so much with them. Who was using gal, min, or amarr scouts for ewar before they got nerfed? I'd say scouts are more ewar now than they've ever been. Because slayers have gone back to assaults because they are better fitted for that role.

Actually I am a true scout. Respected into it :). And this forums is public I can post here if I want. Use Flux grenades. If "equipment spam" is such an issue. Or learn how to not have tunnel vision. Or not? So I can nk you in the back or just place a RE behind you to make you rage quit.

Sorry, that would never happen, your just not that good unfortunately.

1. Movement is an asset. You're an idiot for not seeing that if a heavy couldn't move they wouldn't be able to kill as much, but they'd be a lot more balanced compared to how they are now.

2. I'm saying in order for a scout to kill a heavy it takes 2x the amount a heavy requires to turn around and spray. Numbers are what separates the literate masses from commoners like yourself.

3. You're right they weren't, but they were nerfed for having E-war not tanking(slaying). E-war is a joke now the only thing it's good for is not being seen on passives if that. It was a ridiculously stupid nerf from ridiculously stupid people who did not see what the real issue with scouts was.

1. You're an idiot for trying using speed as an asset for a heavy when comparing it to a scout. You should have just conceded that it was a fail point but you look even more foolish trying to back it up. I mean, seriously....you're comparing speed of a blaster turret to back up your statement.

And you're right..I'm an even bigger idiot for debating you....so take care :)

1. (I think you meant to say, "You're and idiot for trying to use speed as an asset for a heavy when comparing it to a scout," but that sentence is a very unattractive read.)
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See you on the field Stev-O

I meant to write "You're an idiot for using speed as an asset....." I may have been thinking of writing, "trying to use" and didn't realize I actually typed it. But thanks for being catty.

Just thought I'd mention the number APEX suits that come with REs, thanks CCP. Now I can have an Okay suit with REs completely for free.

How about projectile weaponry then? Haven't you seen all the spam they produce? I mean seriously? Getting killed by a guy 70+ meters away? OMG I KNOWAMIRITE? LOLOLOLOL?!

Seriously man? Do you even know what spam is?
Or are you just awful at realizing your surroundings, but want to blame others for your own shortcomings?

The death monitor tells you how far away the KILLER is not the remote. ( I had to learn that here on the forums cause I am unfamiliar with dying by explosives)
Also, remotes from the ground level only travel about 5 meters.

20 meters is like tossing across an entire road, and up an imaginary sidewalk zone.
I would like to see you actually do that ingame from the floor, like you advertise.

From a roof it is possible. There has always been a tactical advantage to High ground, but that's not a floor deployment.

out of curiosity...is everyone ok with it?

XD! People talk like killing the heavy is impossible without RE. They both need adjustments but it's not going to be heavy 514 without REs. You see more scouts than anything tbh.

out of curiosity...is everyone ok with it?

So you are saying that some people actually want to remove the one of the very very few counters to the heavy-logi combo?

So someone was able to get 20 kills from supposedly just RE? Even if this did hhappen, guess what? So what, same can happen wit a freaking assault rifle, **** nova knifes even. I bet most of those kills was done by placing them where there is multiple reds trying to advance. It's just tactics, so nerf tatics?

Actually it does, when you're using it on a suit that dies when you sneeze. You're the one who has tunnel vision and ain't looking around you. If you get knifed during a gun fight, you deserve to die. Nova knifes does take a lot of skill, it's not just stabbing someone in the back. It's finding that idiot that isn't paying attention, so don't say it doesn't take skill.....

Ok, I am getting hate for thumbs downing REs.
Back trolls! Back! I have fire!

Now to my point. I simply hate how 3 heavies maxed out on EHP and a logi can be dropped by one boundless RE, then refilled from a nano to be done again at a uplink. This is why scouts are using them, they can take a whole point with one skilled scout. I have done this so don't tell me it isn't true! If you want this but in a more tactical way, then bring back contact grenades, they did this as a weapon better IMO. They were a better option and require you to fight after you rip away most of their EHP. Just up them back to carrying 2 and those with a shotgun would be how a scout wrecks a heavy.

REs are a satchel charge. My push is to change their role in battle (Tactics) and make them equipment for all classes not a weapon for scouts. Give them a wider area but less damage or set them up as a placed trap with motion sensitivity. Either way will change the tactic to detonate, then mop up, and assaults/heavies would want them as well. I am not just pulling this from my backside. Name another game that this weapon would not be seen as unbalanced in, TF2 makes sappers for gear only like fluxes, PS2 uses C4 and it is more for vehicles than people due to the smaller blast radius. PS2 also has mines for vehicles or personnel. BO2 has the claymores, Betties, and the C4.

The issue is having 3, they kill everything, they fill from nano hives, and they can be thrown (Don't give me any BS on this, I know the tricks).

Like I always say, "Come with other game examples"
BO2 - reduce ammo to 1, which is a hard nerf, but is more inline with this being a thrown weapon.
Make them planted at your feet only directly to the ground, PS2 C4.
Make them a trap that is motion activated, Claymore, Betty, PS2 Mines. This stops throwing and makes them traps not grenades.
Make them refill like uplinks and nanohives. This will slow down the amount on the battlefield but isn't like any other games.

Let me know if this balancing sounds out of line. Don't flame about them not being balanced. I want them to be useful as a tactic!

RE spam is just ridiculous; just watch this

And this

And this

Not attacking Jake personally, it's just that he's most notable for his RE spam.

4/10

A good heavy will be able to see an RE plopped in front of them.

Besides, REs are one of the few counters to heavy spam.

Not to mention that us scouts have about 1/10th of your health... If we shoot you and play "fair," you turn around and melt us.

I'm not saying that REs are the ONLY solution to heavy spam, but against 4 heavies...? Pretty much.

REs are not the only counter to heavies though. Counters include......heavies on your team, shotguns, create distance, double teaming, knives (although nova knives are cheesy as well), etc.

Did you just call Nova Knives "Cheesy"?