I agree with this. I use a shotgun and I think both super CQC weapons require skill. It is actually a little hard to one hit people with knives. Plus knife fighting another scout is always a good fight. you both are paper thin and know the first blow is death.

And playing as a scout isn't easy. So you just supported my statement. I've literally played every role, bought the elite pack just to test them out. Playing scout is by far the hardest role, and it isn't always OHK. I've played heavy, with one clip I can spray a sqaud. Using a freaking gun is not harder than using NK, even shotguns(with bad hit-detection., randomly shooting blanks). Yes you may not "spot" us. But your team sure can, we don't spray and prey. We stalk and prey, waiting for that chance to get you when tunnel vision hits you. If we **** up we're good as dead. Everyone knows that, so for you to call us cheesy, is lame. Think about all the effort it takes us just to sneak up on you, so our CQC kill is well deserved

What I don't like is when I post my negative attitude about one thing and people insinuate that I'm insulting the entire class. Being a scout (and a true scout) is not easy. I also think the rep tool repping through damage is cheesy but life as a logi isn't easy either.

I'm saying that trying to flank players that can't spot you in on the map isn't the hardest thing to do especially when you can spot them on your map. I am also saying that one or two hit stabbing someone in the back doesn't require the best eye-hand coordination.

Have you EVER tried nova knifing?

I didn't think so...

What I don't like is when I post my negative attitude about one thing and people insinuate that I'm insulting the entire class. Being a scout (and a true scout) is not easy. I also think the rep tool repping through damage is cheesy but life as a logi isn't easy either.

I'm saying that trying to flank players that can't spot you in on the map isn't the hardest thing to do especially when you can spot them on your map. I am also saying that one or two hit stabbing someone in the back doesn't require the best eye-hand coordination.

So finding a route to flank someone, knowing there are others possibly around to see you, and the person could in fact turn around is not a skill?

Timing the cloak such that you are minimizing your vulnerability is not a skill?

Learning how to deal with glitchy cloak mechanics to increase survivability is not a skill?

Learning how to move and find a heavy who just survived your first charged strike because they can kill you in a fraction of a second is not a skill?

Learning to know the appropriate times to charge is not a skill?

Learning how to time a Raptor Jump so you can charge in mid air while having to adjust to the individual mercs varying speeds and not jump short and into their inner ring or jump past them and give them an easy kill is not a skill?

Learning when to engage and when not to engage?

Learning how to knife on the move and put yourself into a position to minimize any issues regarding unpredictable enemy movement that can take even Heavies out of your range while giving away your position with the noise of your knives is not a skill?

Tell me again how easy all that is. It took me literally months to learn how to knife properly, but I suppose I am sure it is way more easy than carrying around ridiculous amounts of HP with an HMG you can insta spin without aiming and kill anything that happens to cross your path.

no I guess it's just cheesy according to him. A heavy isn't easy but it's easier than a scout. I've 1v1 a tank using a std dren heavy with just adv mods and he wasn't a noob tanker. But I still took him out, so again can a scout do that? Yes but only sneaking up to it. A heavy just has to stay with cover and come out to fire while eating the blast just to lose his shields in the process. A scout gotta be careful even a proto scout can get killed with milita weapons if not careful.

Thanks for giving me a solid response. +1 for that.

BTW - I run a CAL Scout (Yes, hate me and my stupid hit box, but I love the color blending better (Really the only cammo scout fittings that aren't proto or AUR) and shields are better on a scout IMO because you only have 5 seconds to get back into the fight so often.)

The main problem is that REs are even making scout vs scout stupid (I eat those guys but it is not a gun game there).

Motion sensitive I see being so much more effective as a trap and equipment I would even use as a logi. Then they are no longer frisbees and they add a new level to the game. Imagine placing them on stair wells and not having to worry about watching them to push the button. You place one on the point and those silly guys trying to counter hack you have to watch for on the mini map now feel the pain by running up to the point instead. This makes them no longer thrown but a trap you place. My assault would lay his 3 and stand behind them waiting for heavies trying to close the gap. Logis would lay 16 of them inside to make scout's sneaking up on them just hate that they aren't running PEs.

What is coming with the addition of the packed REs being made for vehicle sapping, naturally they will nerf regular REs eventually. I want it sooner than later because in PCs this is getting just stupid. Scouts only run REs because they don't use shotguns due to the assaults with Kins being superior as slayers. I would love to see scouts as the only suits to be given SGs and Knives plus given lower profiles. Oh, and I run the breach shotgun for heavy hunting in pubs, this 3 shot game you guys are discussing doesn't exist with a breach so stop arguing there.