Ok, I am getting hate for thumbs downing REs.
Back trolls! Back! I have fire!

Now to my point. I simply hate how 3 heavies maxed out on EHP and a logi can be dropped by one boundless RE, then refilled from a nano to be done again at a uplink. This is why scouts are using them, they can take a whole point with one skilled scout. I have done this so don't tell me it isn't true! If you want this but in a more tactical way, then bring back contact grenades, they did this as a weapon better IMO. They were a better option and require you to fight after you rip away most of their EHP. Just up them back to carrying 2 and those with a shotgun would be how a scout wrecks a heavy.

REs are a satchel charge. My push is to change their role in battle (Tactics) and make them equipment for all classes not a weapon for scouts. Give them a wider area but less damage or set them up as a placed trap with motion sensitivity. Either way will change the tactic to detonate, then mop up, and assaults/heavies would want them as well. I am not just pulling this from my backside. Name another game that this weapon would not be seen as unbalanced in, TF2 makes sappers for gear only like fluxes, PS2 uses C4 and it is more for vehicles than people due to the smaller blast radius. PS2 also has mines for vehicles or personnel. BO2 has the claymores, Betties, and the C4.

The issue is having 3, they kill everything, they fill from nano hives, and they can be thrown (Don't give me any BS on this, I know the tricks).

Like I always say, "Come with other game examples"
BO2 - reduce ammo to 1, which is a hard nerf, but is more inline with this being a thrown weapon.
Make them planted at your feet only directly to the ground, PS2 C4.
Make them a trap that is motion activated, Claymore, Betty, PS2 Mines. This stops throwing and makes them traps not grenades.
Make them refill like uplinks and nanohives. This will slow down the amount on the battlefield but isn't like any other games.

Let me know if this balancing sounds out of line. Don't flame about them not being balanced. I want them to be useful as a tactic!

no I guess it's just cheesy according to him. A heavy isn't easy but it's easier than a scout. I've 1v1 a tank using a std dren heavy with just adv mods and he wasn't a noob tanker. But I still took him out, so again can a scout do that? Yes but only sneaking up to it. A heavy just has to stay with cover and come out to fire while eating the blast just to lose his shields in the process. A scout gotta be careful even a proto scout can get killed with milita weapons if not careful.

Thanks for giving me a solid response. +1 for that.

BTW - I run a CAL Scout (Yes, hate me and my stupid hit box, but I love the color blending better (Really the only cammo scout fittings that aren't proto or AUR) and shields are better on a scout IMO because you only have 5 seconds to get back into the fight so often.)

The main problem is that REs are even making scout vs scout stupid (I eat those guys but it is not a gun game there).

Motion sensitive I see being so much more effective as a trap and equipment I would even use as a logi. Then they are no longer frisbees and they add a new level to the game. Imagine placing them on stair wells and not having to worry about watching them to push the button. You place one on the point and those silly guys trying to counter hack you have to watch for on the mini map now feel the pain by running up to the point instead. This makes them no longer thrown but a trap you place. My assault would lay his 3 and stand behind them waiting for heavies trying to close the gap. Logis would lay 16 of them inside to make scout's sneaking up on them just hate that they aren't running PEs.

What is coming with the addition of the packed REs being made for vehicle sapping, naturally they will nerf regular REs eventually. I want it sooner than later because in PCs this is getting just stupid. Scouts only run REs because they don't use shotguns due to the assaults with Kins being superior as slayers. I would love to see scouts as the only suits to be given SGs and Knives plus given lower profiles. Oh, and I run the breach shotgun for heavy hunting in pubs, this 3 shot game you guys are discussing doesn't exist with a breach so stop arguing there.