You can track where a sniper shoot from, a nova knifer if kill you from behind is a good one, but if you are in a map in which there is no light and RE's disappears and then they are 10 metres away this is not fair, actually the only way to escape a RE is run against who throw RE. You dont need to be smart at the moment, you need a good connection and RE's so stop defend something that it s clearly ****** up

What suit do you use? What gun? Just tell me this please.

How so?

I am open to discussion, but perhaps you would like to add some support to your claim as I did mine.

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There is no practical way to nerf heavy spam. People choose to play with whatever role they've specced into. It would be like asking to nerf scout or assault spam.

Because you were talking pure theoretical and not practical. There are many objectives where you can create distance and kill a heavy before running for the hack. Just thinking off of the top (without doing the actual research), I believe there are way more objectives where you can do so.

And then you say that shotguns are not a good counter for heavies. Scouts can get 2 to 3 shots off before a heavy can turn and find out what the hell is going on. But usually, if the scout is a competent, it's too late.


....totally irrelevant because my point was about trying to nerf the number of scouts or assaults on the field. I wasn't referring to nerfing the scout's roles.

Well, there would have to be a community outroar for the change or it won't happen. I saw the same issue with contact nades and nades in general. That's why they nerfed the number of grenades one can carry

Because they are explosives and you aren't supposed to walk away from one if you're in the blast radius.

1. No there are not, a heavy can still move 3 m/s and covers 52m with the hmg. It effecitively covers 156 square meters per second with a 6,037 hp clip. It doesn't even need to worry about overheating until after it has unloaded 2250 hp of damage which is 5 scouts, 3 logis, 2 assaults, or 1.5 heavies.

2. Shotguns are not a hard counter to heavies because there is more risk in a scout shotgunning than a heavy using an HMG. A rock of hp that spouts a butt load of damage in less than a second, vs a twig of hp that has to get 3 shots off to down most things.
And no, all suits turn at the same speed so heavies aren't the only ones that can turn around and spray a scout dead.

3. Nerfing the role of the scout reduced the amount of the scouts on the field genius.

People have been asking for locks on vehicles. Don't see those either do we?

You appear to be one of those guys that are just fascinating with the math and nothing else.

1. You mentioned the speed of a heavy as an asset...lulz

2. A scout can see a heavy on its map and flank around and 3 shot him in the back. They will definitely get 2 shots off before the heavy can react. By the time the heavy turns around, it is over. Not to mention that the heavy is huge and has a bigger hitbox (unless something was changed) than other suits. Couple that with the fact that even if the heavy can turn around, the scout is strafing like a madman and the heavy is down to one shot.

3. The reason you see less scouts is because assault suits got buffed. Now, if you guys actually read instead of skimming, then you would understand my point. Do people want to nerf the heavy suits or do they want to nerf the heavy spam? It sounds like people want to nerf the spam and my question was how can you nerf spam of a suit (without nerfing the suit)? If 11 people in a match are specced into heavy suits, how can you stop that? I compared it to trying to stop 12 people in a game from going scout or going assault.

Gal scout, gal assault, gal logi, gal sentinel, minmando, min sentinel, you? Edit: i use mostly SG, HMG, AFG, AR,CR, but i have also RR, MD, NK, ScR, SMG, ScRP. Again , you? I dont consider RE as they are an equipment, but i can easily add them to weapons

If:
Had to restock at supply depo :

Put 2 sets of remotes on suit. XD

That's because math is how suits die, if a suit has 300 hp and a gun out puts 37 damage at a 800 rpm said suit will be dead in less than a second. It works in practice, as it does in theory. Sure there are more factors to be considered, but those are the basics of playing the game. Math is how you balance suits, not stupid things like " a scout can jump and 360 and ohk things do sturff nurf plz."

1. A heavy has more potential to kill than a large blaster installation because it can move.

2.(*shoot) Considering the shotgun can only shoot one bullet per 1.5 seconds and an hmg effectively sprays the same amount of damage in 1 second the heavy obviously has the advantage. The dispersion of the hmg allows for the hmg to be as inaccurate as it wants, all it needs to do is have 20 shots hit and the scout will be dead. Heavies strafe too, so even the scout is also left at a disadvantage in that aspect but seeing as how the most a scout suit can effectively tank is 400hp (ineffectively 500hp) the percentage of error for a heavy is exponentially larger than a scout(considering they hold a 1000 base hp suit).

3. The reason we see less scouts is because active scanners are way more effective than passive scanning, and every other scrub has figured it out. Not to mention the scout was nerfed in terms of role and nothing else(i.e. tanked scouts weren't hit). People see more heavies within matches because it is dis-proportionally more powerful than the other suits. If the heavy suit is nerfed, then fewer people will run it that's how things work. Scout was nerfed fewer people use scout, logi was nerfed fewer people use logi etc etc. If all roles are equally viable the spamming of certain suits will no longer become common place because people will run what they want, not what can be abused.

It's not a coincidence that x amount of people in a match are using the same suit.

Do that on a Logi and now you're talking

1. you're still reaching

2. Heavies have the advantage if they see a scout and the scout is in front of them. Scouts have the advantage when the heavy does not see them. They are passively scanning heavies and have the ability to run around and get behind them without the heavy knowing. They can get 2 shots off before the heavy starts to turn around. Even if the heavy have enough tank to turn around, he may be down to one more shot. But the scout is right up on him and the closer he his, the faster the strafe appears to be. I find it amazing that you feel the scout is at a disadvantage because the heavy can strafe.

3. The reason we see less scouts is because the assault suits got buffed....period. If the assault suits didn't get buffed, I'm sure there would be more scout suits on the field. People stopped using logi suits for slayer suits because the scout suits got buffed. It's the same cycle. If you nerf heavy suits, I'm sure some people may stop using them. But as long as they are still useful, players will use their heavy suits. They use it because it is easy mode on an objective. It melts people in cqc situations..as intended.

Because they are explosives and you aren't supposed to walk away from one if you're in the blast radius.

REs are not the only counter to heavies though. Counters include......heavies on your team, shotguns, create distance, double teaming, knives (although nova knives are cheesy as well), etc.

Remote explosives have made more people quit this game than bad hit detection, poor matchmaking,ragnorok, proto stomping, and lack of understanding combined. CCP should have removed them years ago but just stick your heads in the ground you dummies and say "it is what it is"'. t(-_-t)

Nova knives cheesey? Your just jelly you cant use them.

Since we have packed remotes now, I would suggest we nerf regular remotes to make them more suited for infantry.

Standard
Damage: 750
Range: 3.5m

They can be spammed, but they won't be so insta-win when used.

No spamming of RE's ****** sucks, we have Mass Drivers, Plasma Cannons, Grenades, Shotguns/Knives and other Heavys to deal with Heavys, but let's just keep throwin RE's like there ***** frisbees, ugh

I'll lure you and kill you with then, and you can say that I threw them when I just placed them

Spoken like a true Scout, sorry sell your crazy elsewhere.