Kinda been that way for a looooong time, clearly not going to change no matter how we feel about it.

Im personally not a fan of them being restockable by nanohives. I think that would solve all the "problems" there are with RE spam.

Other than that, I have no problems with them. You can see when some one threws one in front of you, they're easy to predict (thight passage ways, around corners, where youre all grouped up, etc), and if someone lays a good trap and you fall for it, well that's just bad luck.

The problem in my opinion is heavy spam. Remote explosives are often the only way to deal with 8 heavy's on the map in one spot with HMG's that can kill you in 2 seconds.

I carry them on every dropsuit version I have for that specific reason, plus they're just fun to play with. I've noticed in my time that people complain about getting killed with them because people complain about being killed period.

Everyone in this community seems to believe they are invincible and no one should be able to kill them so anything that gets the job done like a dime is QQ'd about and a nerf cry is heard...

I mean seriously....last night, me and the guys from Horizons' Edge were in a map where I counted 13 of the 16 players were heavy's at one point....they were moving in a pack. That is b.s. in my opinion because that pretty much causes no chance for the other team.

So if you want to make a thread about spam....make the heavy spam thread. RE's are the only way to deal with heavy's because you can knock 4-5 of those bastards out in one RE shot and in my opinion, that allows things to be evened up A LOT.

It's not that I'm okay with it, I just don't think it's ridiculous. I don't see it every match.

A ratio I'm about to pull out of my a** of heavy spam to RE spam frequency would be 25:3.

They have a short delay, and require manual detonation which is a delay in of itself.

Sentinels move around (believe it or not) and have the potential to kill almost as fast as an RE could. Instantaneously. However, they have a much larger area of effect, and don't die to a single flux or shot from anything.

Boykos i started Remote Explosive thread in sugestion already.
If you want to bring/ad another ideas you are welcome there.

*Walks away*

Then why is the SP for it in the Weapon tree?


Were you oblivious to the last few patches and hotfixes? What do you think EWAR Circles, Cloak Blindness, Cloak Delay, and Armor strafing penalties were for?

I have always been a scout, and the FotM scout crowd sickened me. Even I wanted Scout spam reduced...


So, counter with the same? Its ok if its not the only counter.
Shotguns? Which have to 3 and 4 hit Heavies that can Insta spin with a massive DPS weapon?

Create Distance? How can you find distance in the little tiny rooms and areas they put a majority of the Objectives in? You can't!

Knives are cheesy? A weapon and play style which objective data from CCP has shown to be underperforming is cheesy?

There are a few situations and circumstances in which REs can be abused. I don't care for them being thrown from a height and being able to instantly detonate. I think they should receive a slight increase to their weight so they are not thrown quite so far.

Those things aside, they are fine. They aren't the problem everyone thinks they are. If you are heavy, of course you will see more of them because in many situations they are the best counter.

How so?

I am open to discussion, but perhaps you would like to add some support to your claim as I did mine.

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There is no practical way to nerf heavy spam. People choose to play with whatever role they've specced into. It would be like asking to nerf scout or assault spam.

1. No there are not, a heavy can still move 3 m/s and covers 52m with the hmg. It effecitively covers 156 square meters per second with a 6,037 hp clip. It doesn't even need to worry about overheating until after it has unloaded 2250 hp of damage which is 5 scouts, 3 logis, 2 assaults, or 1.5 heavies.

2. Shotguns are not a hard counter to heavies because there is more risk in a scout shotgunning than a heavy using an HMG. A rock of hp that spouts a butt load of damage in less than a second, vs a twig of hp that has to get 3 shots off to down most things.
And no, all suits turn at the same speed so heavies aren't the only ones that can turn around and spray a scout dead.

3. Nerfing the role of the scout reduced the amount of the scouts on the field genius.

People have been asking for locks on vehicles. Don't see those either do we?

That's because math is how suits die, if a suit has 300 hp and a gun out puts 37 damage at a 800 rpm said suit will be dead in less than a second. It works in practice, as it does in theory. Sure there are more factors to be considered, but those are the basics of playing the game. Math is how you balance suits, not stupid things like " a scout can jump and 360 and ohk things do sturff nurf plz."

1. A heavy has more potential to kill than a large blaster installation because it can move.

2.(*shoot) Considering the shotgun can only shoot one bullet per 1.5 seconds and an hmg effectively sprays the same amount of damage in 1 second the heavy obviously has the advantage. The dispersion of the hmg allows for the hmg to be as inaccurate as it wants, all it needs to do is have 20 shots hit and the scout will be dead. Heavies strafe too, so even the scout is also left at a disadvantage in that aspect but seeing as how the most a scout suit can effectively tank is 400hp (ineffectively 500hp) the percentage of error for a heavy is exponentially larger than a scout(considering they hold a 1000 base hp suit).

3. The reason we see less scouts is because active scanners are way more effective than passive scanning, and every other scrub has figured it out. Not to mention the scout was nerfed in terms of role and nothing else(i.e. tanked scouts weren't hit). People see more heavies within matches because it is dis-proportionally more powerful than the other suits. If the heavy suit is nerfed, then fewer people will run it that's how things work. Scout was nerfed fewer people use scout, logi was nerfed fewer people use logi etc etc. If all roles are equally viable the spamming of certain suits will no longer become common place because people will run what they want, not what can be abused.

It's not a coincidence that x amount of people in a match are using the same suit.

Nova knives cheesey? Your just jelly you cant use them.

1. If you're saying that a large blaster installation has more killing potential than a heavy, that is a blatant lie.

2. You seem to use a lot of analogy, did you know that heavies get the same passive scans scouts do as long as they're on the same team? It takes about 4.5 seconds for a scout to fire off 3 rounds, where as the heavy only requires 1 second to turn to the scout and another second to blast 792 damage which 3x an ewar scout's hp. The closer a target is the easier it is to hit it because it's closer to you no amount of strafe will prevent a heavy from killing a suit at 1-5m, the range of a shotgun. I don't think that the scouts are at a disadvantage because heavies can strafe, scouts are at a disadvantage to begin with, heavies strafing is just icing on the cake.

3. Nope, E-war was nerfed to shite and when everyone realized the role that the scout was meant to play is no longer effective enough to justify using E-war on a scout. I mean yeah the fotm scrubs left the suit alone, but not even the actual scouts who use e-war can see good reason to use it other than cloak sg, and nks(neither of which involve e-war). I'm fine with the hmg melting at cqc the problem arises when "cqc" is defined as 52 m with a gun that spews upto 3000 damage before overheating, and the risk becomes even smaller when every suit that uses the HMG has 1000 hp minimum. I mean it's so ridiculously OP, even I could be a decent PC heavy, and I have been.

1. Movement is an asset. You're an idiot for not seeing that if a heavy couldn't move they wouldn't be able to kill as much, but they'd be a lot more balanced compared to how they are now.

2. I'm saying in order for a scout to kill a heavy it takes 2x the amount a heavy requires to turn around and spray. Numbers are what separates the literate masses from commoners like yourself.

3. You're right they weren't, but they were nerfed for having E-war not tanking(slaying). E-war is a joke now the only thing it's good for is not being seen on passives if that. It was a ridiculously stupid nerf from ridiculously stupid people who did not see what the real issue with scouts was.

1. (I think you meant to say, "You're and idiot for trying to use speed as an asset for a heavy when comparing it to a scout," but that sentence is a very unattractive read.)
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So you are saying that some people actually want to remove the one of the very very few counters to the heavy-logi combo?

I agree with this. I use a shotgun and I think both super CQC weapons require skill. It is actually a little hard to one hit people with knives. Plus knife fighting another scout is always a good fight. you both are paper thin and know the first blow is death.

And playing as a scout isn't easy. So you just supported my statement. I've literally played every role, bought the elite pack just to test them out. Playing scout is by far the hardest role, and it isn't always OHK. I've played heavy, with one clip I can spray a sqaud. Using a freaking gun is not harder than using NK, even shotguns(with bad hit-detection., randomly shooting blanks). Yes you may not "spot" us. But your team sure can, we don't spray and prey. We stalk and prey, waiting for that chance to get you when tunnel vision hits you. If we **** up we're good as dead. Everyone knows that, so for you to call us cheesy, is lame. Think about all the effort it takes us just to sneak up on you, so our CQC kill is well deserved