Then why is the SP for it in the Weapon tree?


Were you oblivious to the last few patches and hotfixes? What do you think EWAR Circles, Cloak Blindness, Cloak Delay, and Armor strafing penalties were for?

I have always been a scout, and the FotM scout crowd sickened me. Even I wanted Scout spam reduced...


So, counter with the same? Its ok if its not the only counter.
Shotguns? Which have to 3 and 4 hit Heavies that can Insta spin with a massive DPS weapon?

Create Distance? How can you find distance in the little tiny rooms and areas they put a majority of the Objectives in? You can't!

Knives are cheesy? A weapon and play style which objective data from CCP has shown to be underperforming is cheesy?

There are a few situations and circumstances in which REs can be abused. I don't care for them being thrown from a height and being able to instantly detonate. I think they should receive a slight increase to their weight so they are not thrown quite so far.

Those things aside, they are fine. They aren't the problem everyone thinks they are. If you are heavy, of course you will see more of them because in many situations they are the best counter.

Um, yeah. I can out scout most heavies (Use a shotgun and run circles around them). The problem is that like in the PC I was in last night, someone racked up 20+ kills, all from REs in the city. Not 14 guys slowly plodding around, 1 guy which is unbalanced. Heavies have to reload and are slow. Plus they suck at range beyond 20 meters. Scout's should use knives or shotguns to be 2 second killers. Assaults stand at 20+ meters and watch a heavy try to find cover, he is too slow and has no range. REs need some work because everything dies to them without enough risk to the user. They are super grenades.

The best approach IMO, make them un-triggerable. The RE then is motion activated. So this is a trap, not a weapon. Otherwise they need to make shields more resistant to REs so there is a counter. Trap REs require you to draw enemies to your trap. You don't throw it at them, you run around a corner and lure them in. If they want to keep them like they exist, then they need to make the timer super long so it is trap not a thrown weapon.

because it takes a lot of skill to OHK knife someone in the back.

*closes the door behind him*

I wouldn't call it spam. Just like I thought the grenade nerf was useless. They aren't being overused but being used to their maximum potential. When a scout somehow runs through a crowd of 6 guys, escape to the next room and get an orbital like kill board they are being used properly. When a min Assault places REs and single handily and 20kills late defends the suppy depot on the lag facility from the entire enemy team, they are used properly. Its just the stupidity of everybody for not checking for them, including me, and it makes for some funny kills. They are fine.

(all stories were accurately accounted and referenced from PLAYSTTIONs personal archives)

I've been talking to lot of player about the abuse of remote explosive and most of us tought that if regular explosive,not the proxi,not the packed but just if the regular explosive needed a really quick hack to activate them,just time to press the button O on it,that way people would'nt be able to trow them from a roof and scrub kill like that,there is so many weapon now that can do that a bit,scrambler riffle,sniper,plasma canon,mass driver,but remote are to powerfull and no need to aim at all or anticipate how people move on the battle field,they just wait or throw them like freesbe,I don't even know why ccp change the way to drop them,before the were only drop at feet,not 10 meters away,so if everybody agree to that please admin do something,because big corp scrubber are killing this game about that,on our side in quebec canada we have lost so many player because of that,just around 24 best player of the game,and about 100 player in dust that I know,so please do something quick thanks

The frisbee + timer is annoying, but for god's sake, get 'em off APEX suits. There should not be a completely risk-free way to use something with that much killing power.

They would be perfectly fine if they were not restocked by hives.

Problem scenario 1:

Scout with PRO hive and RE stands around corner from heavy.

Scout throws RE.

Heavy shoots RE.

Scout throws another RE.

Heavy shoots RE.

Scout throws another RE.

Heavy shoots RE.

Scout refills on hive.

Scout throws RE.

Repeat for a very long time through 2-3 nanohives.

Problem Scenario 2:

Logi stands on high ground with 2 sets of REs and 1 set of nanohives.

Logi drops RE and waits for someone to step on it.

Repeat step 1 X times.

Logi refills on hive.

Repeat steps 2 - 4.




Why should 2 pieces of equipment give a single person an unending supply of defense of a well chosen area? Ratatti said that REs are working as intended as traps. In every use of a trap that I have seen in any game or in the real world it has to be placed with some strategy not just spammed until you get lucky and some one stumbles into it.

That's 'cause he's got core locusts in that slot to spam the shite out of militia fits ;)

Since they are throwed and not dropped, you never know where they are, or at least you discover it too late, a solution? Maybe make them permascanned for the first "x" seconds after you throw them, adding time from the moment you drop it to the one you can detonate it

and flaylock steve,I don't care if I don't throw a flux grenade on a hack point and got my butt exploded,lolll,what I don't like and most all player of dust don't like is to get a billion RE on their head from 8 player that just go aroung a CRU or a hack point and just do spawm killing the whole game,and much of the player that abuse of RE are blueshielding all the time,they use lag switch etc to run thru a bunch of heavy's that shoot at them but they take no domage and just press L1 and boom,no more player enjoying dust and make them leave forever,it's not that we don't adapt,it's because player abuse in any way posible this game like knoming all respawn place around a hack point or CRU and just do easy kill,if at least we could decide where to spawn around a hack point or cru be nice,but the game need some work to be able to make it fair,and veterant can go around those probleme's but all newb just play 1 week and left forever this game,and even some veterant too now and move to another game,so we need to get together to see new face in this game,tired of alway's playin again's OH opus and capital aquisition and grupos that sync in public all the time,and even some corp are starting to get left on the side because thru dust player are even leaving for a while because is just getting ridiculously abusing of all way to cheat a game,mod control and keyboard,,lagswitch,heavy machine gun that shoot thru walls barrier without getting domage,nice hey,and if corp battle come's back it will be nice because we will play together with our friend that play this game fair and the scrub of this game will play again's themself,maybe there ya'll see why dust keep loosing player and not getting much new player,because much of the new player are just alt of regular player in dust,and we can play scrub too,I make 42 kill with remote in a battle,easy,but I don't play them except on haking point because I want to see new player having fun,and staying in dust514,not ya

You can track where a sniper shoot from, a nova knifer if kill you from behind is a good one, but if you are in a map in which there is no light and RE's disappears and then they are 10 metres away this is not fair, actually the only way to escape a RE is run against who throw RE. You dont need to be smart at the moment, you need a good connection and RE's so stop defend something that it s clearly ****** up

Gal scout, gal assault, gal logi, gal sentinel, minmando, min sentinel, you? Edit: i use mostly SG, HMG, AFG, AR,CR, but i have also RR, MD, NK, ScR, SMG, ScRP. Again , you? I dont consider RE as they are an equipment, but i can easily add them to weapons

If:
Had to restock at supply depo :

Put 2 sets of remotes on suit. XD

Remote explosives have made more people quit this game than bad hit detection, poor matchmaking,ragnorok, proto stomping, and lack of understanding combined. CCP should have removed them years ago but just stick your heads in the ground you dummies and say "it is what it is"'. t(-_-t)

No spamming of RE's ****** sucks, we have Mass Drivers, Plasma Cannons, Grenades, Shotguns/Knives and other Heavys to deal with Heavys, but let's just keep throwin RE's like there ***** frisbees, ugh

Spoken like a true Scout, sorry sell your crazy elsewhere.

Sorry, that would never happen, your just not that good unfortunately.

See you on the field Stev-O

Just thought I'd mention the number APEX suits that come with REs, thanks CCP. Now I can have an Okay suit with REs completely for free.

XD! People talk like killing the heavy is impossible without RE. They both need adjustments but it's not going to be heavy 514 without REs. You see more scouts than anything tbh.

Did you just call Nova Knives "Cheesy"?

What I don't like is when I post my negative attitude about one thing and people insinuate that I'm insulting the entire class. Being a scout (and a true scout) is not easy. I also think the rep tool repping through damage is cheesy but life as a logi isn't easy either.

I'm saying that trying to flank players that can't spot you in on the map isn't the hardest thing to do especially when you can spot them on your map. I am also saying that one or two hit stabbing someone in the back doesn't require the best eye-hand coordination.

Have you EVER tried nova knifing?

I didn't think so...

So finding a route to flank someone, knowing there are others possibly around to see you, and the person could in fact turn around is not a skill?

Timing the cloak such that you are minimizing your vulnerability is not a skill?

Learning how to deal with glitchy cloak mechanics to increase survivability is not a skill?

Learning how to move and find a heavy who just survived your first charged strike because they can kill you in a fraction of a second is not a skill?

Learning to know the appropriate times to charge is not a skill?

Learning how to time a Raptor Jump so you can charge in mid air while having to adjust to the individual mercs varying speeds and not jump short and into their inner ring or jump past them and give them an easy kill is not a skill?

Learning when to engage and when not to engage?

Learning how to knife on the move and put yourself into a position to minimize any issues regarding unpredictable enemy movement that can take even Heavies out of your range while giving away your position with the noise of your knives is not a skill?

Tell me again how easy all that is. It took me literally months to learn how to knife properly, but I suppose I am sure it is way more easy than carrying around ridiculous amounts of HP with an HMG you can insta spin without aiming and kill anything that happens to cross your path.